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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:23 am

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eagle9903 wrote:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?


That's very similar to what Suter got on the open market. I think Weber is the better player, and I think the Preds will/must match. They came pretty close to those numbers with their final offer to Suter.


apparently the Flyers have frontloaded it absurdly to the tune of 26 Million dollars. Forbes valued the preds at 163 million dollars in 2011. That's almost 15% of the franchises total value.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:30 am

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bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?


That's very similar to what Suter got on the open market. I think Weber is the better player, and I think the Preds will/must match. They came pretty close to those numbers with their final offer to Suter.


apparently the Flyers have frontloaded it absurdly to the tune of 26 Million dollars. Forbes valued the preds at 163 million dollars in 2011. That's almost 15% of the franchises total value.


Shouldn't the Flyers focus on getting a competent goalie rather than spending $100 mil on a d-man and forfeiting four 1st round picks in the process? :shrug
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:08 am

bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?


That's very similar to what Suter got on the open market. I think Weber is the better player, and I think the Preds will/must match. They came pretty close to those numbers with their final offer to Suter.


apparently the Flyers have frontloaded it absurdly to the tune of 26 Million dollars. Forbes valued the preds at 163 million dollars in 2011. That's almost 15% of the franchises total value.


Shouldn't the Flyers focus on getting a competent goalie rather than spending $100 mil on a d-man and forfeiting four 1st round picks in the process? :shrug


Don't know, how much does a sick 1st pairing make a goalie?
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:40 am

eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?


That's very similar to what Suter got on the open market. I think Weber is the better player, and I think the Preds will/must match. They came pretty close to those numbers with their final offer to Suter.


apparently the Flyers have frontloaded it absurdly to the tune of 26 Million dollars. Forbes valued the preds at 163 million dollars in 2011. That's almost 15% of the franchises total value.


Shouldn't the Flyers focus on getting a competent goalie rather than spending $100 mil on a d-man and forfeiting four 1st round picks in the process? :shrug


Don't know, how much does a sick 1st pairing make a goalie?

Still holding out hope that Pronger is coming back? Or are you talking about the hugely anticipated reunion of Kimmo and Shea?
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:53 am

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bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?


That's very similar to what Suter got on the open market. I think Weber is the better player, and I think the Preds will/must match. They came pretty close to those numbers with their final offer to Suter.


apparently the Flyers have frontloaded it absurdly to the tune of 26 Million dollars. Forbes valued the preds at 163 million dollars in 2011. That's almost 15% of the franchises total value.


Shouldn't the Flyers focus on getting a competent goalie rather than spending $100 mil on a d-man and forfeiting four 1st round picks in the process? :shrug


Don't know, how much does a sick 1st pairing make a goalie?


If you're illustrating that having good denfesemen is better than not having good defensemen, you'll obviously find no disagreement from me. What I was getting is that $100 mil and 4 first round draft picks is a very steep price to pay for Weber, despite that he is obviously one of the best d-men in the league. This is especially the case when the team he is playing for has had a rotating cast of clowns in net (including a current one who is compensated handsomely for little to nothing) who go through stretches of struggling to stop even the easiest of shots with any consistency. This is not to discount that Ilya has them by the balls. He does. However, if I were Holmgren, I would be throwing a crazy amount of resources (draft picks, $$ for coaches throughout the system, time, etc) at young goalies to try to end this increasingly long-standing Achilles Heal. Moreso than the $$, forfeiting the four first round draft picks would hamper this effort.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:23 am

bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?


That's very similar to what Suter got on the open market. I think Weber is the better player, and I think the Preds will/must match. They came pretty close to those numbers with their final offer to Suter.


apparently the Flyers have frontloaded it absurdly to the tune of 26 Million dollars. Forbes valued the preds at 163 million dollars in 2011. That's almost 15% of the franchises total value.


Shouldn't the Flyers focus on getting a competent goalie rather than spending $100 mil on a d-man and forfeiting four 1st round picks in the process? :shrug


Don't know, how much does a sick 1st pairing make a goalie?


If you're illustrating that having good denfesemen is better than not having good defensemen, you'll obviously find no disagreement from me. What I was getting is that $100 mil and 4 first round draft picks is a very steep price to pay for Weber, despite that he is obviously one of the best d-men in the league. This is especially the case when the team he is playing for has had a rotating cast of clowns in net (including a current one who is compensated handsomely for little to nothing) who go through stretches of struggling to stop even the easiest of shots with any consistency. This is not to discount that Ilya has them by the balls. He does. However, if I were Holmgren, I would be throwing a crazy amount of resources (draft picks, $$ for coaches throughout the system, time, etc) at young goalies to try to end this increasingly long-standing Achilles Heal. Moreso than the $$, forfeiting the four first round draft picks would hamper this effort.


The team is very, very, very young. Giroux (24), Couterier (19), B. Schenn (20), Voracek (22) and Simmonds (24) are the core of our offense going forward (throw in Read (25), Wellwood (22), Rinaldo (22) as contributors). The only other offensive guys who contribute are Briere (an old 35), Hartnell (30), Talbot (28). The Defense is also pretty young Weber if he signs is 27, Coburn (27), Grossmann (27), Meszaros (27), Schenn (22) and Timonen (38). Bryz is tied up for a decade, so there will not be a change at goalie.

What I think this means, in addition to Flyers draft picks always being pretty far back except the year they picked JVR, is that 1st round picks are not worth as much to the Flyers as other teams.

I wonder how different Bryz with 26+ minutes of Weber paired primarily with Timonen or Meszaros, backed primarily by Coburn and Grossmann, is than Bryz with a first pairing of Coburn/Grossmann or Coburn/Carle.

I doubt Tim Thomas has a single Vezina w/o Chara and Weber is better (maybe) or equal to Chara.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:46 am

are there hockey nerds in boston like there are here? the best flyers blog (for information purposes) is filled with advanced stats geeks and cba quoting weirdos.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby claver2010 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:58 am

eagle9903 wrote:are there hockey nerds in boston like there are here? the best flyers blog (for information purposes) is filled with advanced stats geeks and cba quoting weirdos.


Do they have pictures of shirtless boys?

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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:28 pm

I can't speak for stat geeks but I am a lot more well versed in the various intricacies of the CBA than I probably should be.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:45 pm

claver2010 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:are there hockey nerds in boston like there are here? the best flyers blog (for information purposes) is filled with advanced stats geeks and cba quoting weirdos.


Do they have pictures of shirtless boys?

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most likely. this state has had some problems with that lately.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:45 pm

flyingelvii wrote:I can't speak for stat geeks but I am a lot more well versed in the various intricacies of the CBA than I probably should be.



Some of the stat geek/cba afficianados take the fun out of being a fan. Also, they are generally wrong a lot.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:57 pm

I agree with the stat geek stuff just because hockey is such a fluid game you can't capture everything neatly in a few numbers. Which is unlike baseball in which every event of every play is pretty much documented. In terms of the CBA stuff, I've just kinda picked it up through osmosis and wanting to gain a better understanding of what is happening and why things are happening, such as the 35+ contracts, buyouts, LTIR and basically other cap related issues. I believe that process all started with either the Thomas 35+ contract or the Glen Murray buyout.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:03 pm

To answer your question eagle9903, there are both hockey nerds and hockey brutish types in Boston, just as there are in Philly. There are probably a lot more of both here than there are there, because Bruins territory is a lot more geographically expansive than Flyers territory (it goes north all the way to Canada and the Martime provinces and stuff). What we also have a lot of--as I'm sure the Canadian teams do as well--are the hockey-coach types who are probably somewhere in between the aforementioned categories. These are the types who sit quietly in their seats during play then analyze play with their buddies often in great detail during breaks in play. Some are tremendously knowledgeable, and others think the fact that they coached their kid's mite team in and of itself gives them expertise. This phenomenon is particularly pronounced here because people from Boston and surroundings self-indulgently think they make good hockey coaches as a rule on the basis that there have been a lot of good hockey coaches from Boston (any of the hockey coach types would cite guys like Laviolette, Torts, Joe Sacco, Brian Burke, Scott Gordon, Jack Capuano, Jerry, Parker, Bill Hanson, Ken Martin, and probably some others as evidence of this fact).
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby claver2010 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:04 am

From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:39 pm

claver2010 wrote:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."


this is probably an attempt to make it not seem like it was a pure money grab.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:40 pm

claver2010 wrote:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."


Isn't that sort of what Cliff Lee said?
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:47 pm

bignick33 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."


Isn't that sort of what Cliff Lee said?


some yankee's fan spit on cliff lee's wife or something
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:49 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."


Isn't that sort of what Cliff Lee said?


some yankee's fan spit on cliff lee's wife or something


Probably beside the point, but maybe she deserved it?
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:58 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."


this is probably an attempt to make it not seem like it was a pure money grab.

Wasn't he offered more than what Minnesota gave him though? I know Parise was by Philly but wasn't 100% positive with regards to Suter.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:04 pm

flyingelvii wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."


this is probably an attempt to make it not seem like it was a pure money grab.

Wasn't he offered more than what Minnesota gave him though? I know Parise was by Philly but wasn't 100% positive with regards to Suter.


Yes. But Claver's post is confusing. Bousequet is talking about Weber, not Suter, although he is both of their agents. I take this as Weber saying through his agent, that while he doesn't want to be in nashville (mainly because they let sutter walk) he is not just going for the biggest paycheck, he is also going to a place he doesn't hate as much as new york. I think it is deflecting. Maybe I am misreading it.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:44 pm

No worries, I also cannot read good. And I can't really blame a guy for passing up a city he doesn't like when signing a 14 year contract.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:18 pm

Rick nash to NYR?
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby claver2010 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:33 pm

Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:37 pm

claver2010 wrote:Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.


Stepan is not involved according to Dreger. I'd say it's more likely that Kreider is going than McD.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:42 pm

bignick33 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.


Stepan is not involved according to Dreger. I'd say it's more likely that Kreider is going than McD.


Dreger: Dubinsky, Erixson and 1st believed to be 3 of 4 pieces included in Nash trade.”
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby eagle9903 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:43 pm

who else hegelin?
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby claver2010 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:46 pm

eagle9903 wrote:who else hegelin?


Rumor is him or Anisomov

Edit: Looks like Anisomov
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby bignick33 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:47 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.


Stepan is not involved according to Dreger. I'd say it's more likely that Kreider is going than McD.


Dreger: Dubinsky, Erixson and 1st believed to be 3 of 4 pieces included in Nash trade.”


eagle9903 wrote:who else hegelin?


claver2010 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:who else hegelin?


Rumor is him or Anisomov

Edit: Looks like Anisomov


If this is the deal, it's not a whole lot that they're giving up (Nash's contract nonwithstanding). Erixon is a decent prospect, but as far as I know, he isn't a truly elite prospect. The first rounder will probably not yield a top 20 pick, either.
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Re: Bruins Weirdos

Postby claver2010 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:54 pm

So looks like:

Anisomov, Dubinsky, Erixon, & a 1st for Nash.

Not terrible at all considering the names that Columbus has been throwing out there for months (personnel-wise, I'll leave the CBA/cap musings to FLYINGELVISFAXXOT
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