bignick33 wrote: eagle9903 wrote: bignick33 wrote: eagle9903 wrote: bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?
That's very similar to what Suter got on the open market. I think Weber is the better player, and I think the Preds will/must match. They came pretty close to those numbers with their final offer to Suter.
apparently the Flyers have frontloaded it absurdly to the tune of 26 Million dollars. Forbes valued the preds at 163 million dollars in 2011. That's almost 15% of the franchises total value.
Shouldn't the Flyers focus on getting a competent goalie rather than spending $100 mil on a d-man and forfeiting four 1st round picks in the process?
Don't know, how much does a sick 1st pairing make a goalie?
If you're illustrating that having good denfesemen is better than not having good defensemen, you'll obviously find no disagreement from me. What I was getting is that $100 mil and 4 first round draft picks is a very steep price to pay for Weber, despite that he is obviously one of the best d-men in the league. This is especially the case when the team he is playing for has had a rotating cast of clowns in net (including a current one who is compensated handsomely for little to nothing) who go through stretches of struggling to stop even the easiest of shots with any consistency. This is not to discount that Ilya has them by the balls. He does. However, if I were Holmgren, I would be throwing a crazy amount of resources (draft picks, $$ for coaches throughout the system, time, etc) at young goalies to try to end this increasingly long-standing Achilles Heal. Moreso than the $$, forfeiting the four first round draft picks would hamper this effort.
The team is very, very, very young. Giroux (24), Couterier (19), B. Schenn (20), Voracek (22) and Simmonds (24) are the core of our offense going forward (throw in Read (25), Wellwood (22), Rinaldo (22) as contributors). The only other offensive guys who contribute are Briere (an old 35), Hartnell (30), Talbot (28). The Defense is also pretty young Weber if he signs is 27, Coburn (27), Grossmann (27), Meszaros (27), Schenn (22) and Timonen (38). Bryz is tied up for a decade, so there will not be a change at goalie.
What I think this means, in addition to Flyers draft picks always being pretty far back except the year they picked JVR, is that 1st round picks are not worth as much to the Flyers as other teams.
I wonder how different Bryz with 26+ minutes of Weber paired primarily with Timonen or Meszaros, backed primarily by Coburn and Grossmann, is than Bryz with a first pairing of Coburn/Grossmann or Coburn/Carle.
I doubt Tim Thomas has a single Vezina w/o Chara and Weber is better (maybe) or equal to Chara.
BC once attracted stars like Abrams, Adams, Agbai, Austin, Bagley, Barros, Bell, Curley, Driscoll, Dudley, Eisley, Evans, Huckaby, Jackson, McCready, Murphy, O'Brien, Rice, Smith, Williams, et al.
Those days are gone.
And who is responsible for that?