ACC Tournament

[innocentbystander]

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

The teams you cite were undefeated (3-0) against the ACC. Further, St. John's beat Duke. I don't dispute that the top of the ACC (namely, Duke and UNC) are better than the top of the Big East, and it's more likely that a national champion will come out of the ACC than the Big East. That being said, Big East is vastly stronger in the middle than the ACC is. It isn't close.

I'm making the same argument that so called "experts" make when they denigrate ACC football. Ten teams in the ACC going 8-4 or 7-5 means the ACC sucks ass, but in the Big-Ten(12) when two teams go 11-1 and everyone else goes 6-6 or 5-7, the Big-Ten(12) is some kind of super-powerhouse.

I just want these conference evaluations to be consistent.

Yea, but you retardedly choose to disregard what happened in the nonconference part of the schedule.

Point taken.

[RedBaron67]

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

While discussing just how badly Wake Forest stinks, we shouldn't confine ourselves to the ACC. We should also remember their non-conference losses AT HOME to such powerhouses as Stetson, Winthrop, UNC-Wilmington, and Presbyterian (with a current combined record of 47-76 against mostly mid- to low-major opponents). This is truly a team it would be disgraceful to lose to, even in a location as favorable to them as Greensboro (about 25 miles from their campus).

[BCEagles25]

Uhhh... The ACC isn't even the second best conference in basketball this year.

[DallasEire]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

[ryrob]

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see Villanova on a Tues in Jan over NC State or ballbag team like that

In basketball, I agree with you. I'm indifferent to all ACC teams but Duke, UNC, and Maryland. In the Big East, I legitimately hate at least 12 of the 16 or whatever teams. In football though, good fucking riddance. Cesspool is a vast understatement.

[DallasEire]

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see Villanova on a Tues in Jan over NC State or ballbag team like that

In basketball, I agree with you. I'm indifferent to all ACC teams but Duke, UNC, and Maryland. In the Big East, I legitimately hate at least 12 of the 16 or whatever teams. In football though, good fucking riddance. Cesspool is a vast understatement.

Yes, no doubt on football. Wish we could compete in Big East basketball and Big Ten football. Though, Big East football is an auto bid to BCS bowl game

[BCEagle74]

Football is king and that is why BC is in the ACC.

I mean look at the TV contract $$$$ compared to the Big East.

It would be sweet to be in 2 conferences like posted though.

[Art Vandelay]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

Obviously the Big East is much better this season, but your comment that it always has been better basketball is ridiculous. The Big East has years it is better and the ACC has years it is better. A sixteen team conference is idiotic and I love how big east people seem to ignore the how awful the bottom teams in that conference are every year. Wake may suck this season but Depaul, USF and Rutgers suck every year. The big east is in the past....get over it.

[GlorytoBC]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

before 2006, there was no doubt that the ACC was king in Basketball.



Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

Obviously the Big East is much better this season, but your comment that it always has been better basketball is ridiculous. The Big East has years it is better and the ACC has years it is better. A sixteen team conference is idiotic and I love how big east people seem to ignore the how awful the bottom teams in that conference are every year. Wake may suck this season but Depaul, USF and Rutgers suck every year. The big east is in the past....get over it.

[DallasEire]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

Obviously the Big East is much better this season, but your comment that it always has been better basketball is ridiculous. The Big East has years it is better and the ACC has years it is better. A sixteen team conference is idiotic and I love how big east people seem to ignore the how awful the bottom teams in that conference are every year. Wake may suck this season but Depaul, USF and Rutgers suck every year. The big east is in the past....get over it.

It is obvious hyperbole to say they are always better as I remember the folly of six fouls and awful early nineties teams in the Big East but I have always just preferred their style of basketball and the intensity a little bit of defense can bring. As a long-time BC fan it is just hard to get up for a Clemson game or really any ACC game outside of Duke and UNC.

Sixteen teams is retarded but the core of the conference remains where BC belongs. I realize they're not going back but utilizing their non-conference schedule to add a multi-game stretch with a mix of GTown, Syr, St. John's, Villanova, and Seton Hall would bring back some of the old league

[bluefishskip]

I don't get the idea that you cannot get excited about certain teams YOUR team plays against.
Boston College Basketball is not in the bloated Big East, and quite frankly it's refreshing. DePaul, USF, Seton Hall, Rutgers, Cincinnati....you'd play them at least once each year in the BE......give me the ACC Schedule any day

[claver2010]

I don't get the idea that you cannot get excited about certain teams YOUR team plays against.
Boston College Basketball is not in the bloated Big East, and quite frankly it's refreshing. DePaul, USF, Seton Hall, Rutgers, Cincinnati....you'd play them at least once each year in the BE......give me the ACC Schedule any day

Agreed half (soon to be more than half) of the teams in the BE I couldn't care less about:
Depaul
Seton Hall (honestly in the past 15 years have they even been decent?)
Cincinnati
Marquette
USF
Rutgers
Louisville
Really don't care about St. Johns either

TCU

[DavidGordonsFoot]

Seton Hall (honestly in the past 15 years have they even been decent?)

Our friend across the river, Tommy Amaker, recruited the top prospect in the nation (the late Eddie Griffin) took them to the Sweet Sixteen in 2000. They were on the verge of breaking out, but Griffin got into a fistfight with a teammate and left the team mid-season in '01 and it went to pieces.

[pick6pedro]

As a long-time BC fan it is just hard to get up for a Clemson game or really any ACC game outside of Duke and UNC.

A long-time BC fan should be able to get up for their team regardless of opponent. And this whole attitude of "this was how it was so it's how it should always be" reminds me of institutions that refuse to adapt. Like the Catholic Church or Betamax.

[eepstein0]

As a long-time BC fan it is just hard to get up for a Clemson game or really any ACC game outside of Duke and UNC.

A long-time BC fan should be able to get up for their team regardless of opponent. And this whole attitude of "this was how it was so it's how it should always be" reminds me of institutions that refuse to adapt. Like the Catholic Church or Betamax.

The Big East is absurd. Plus the ACC makes for much better road trips.

[bignick33]

Seton Hall (honestly in the past 15 years have they even been decent?)

Our friend across the river, Tommy Amaker, recruited the top prospect in the nation (the late Eddie Griffin) took them to the Sweet Sixteen in 2000. They were on the verge of breaking out, but Griffin got into a fistfight with a teammate and left the team mid-season in '01 and it went to pieces.

The funny thing about Griffin is that he shared a name with a really bad comedian.

[BCMcG]

The funny thing about Eddie Griffin is that he got into a car accident while driving drunk AND watching porn.

[pick6pedro]

As a long-time BC fan it is just hard to get up for a Clemson game or really any ACC game outside of Duke and UNC.

A long-time BC fan should be able to get up for their team regardless of opponent. And this whole attitude of "this was how it was so it's how it should always be" reminds me of institutions that refuse to adapt. Like the Catholic Church or Betamax.

The Big East is absurd. Plus the ACC makes for much better road trips.

Some people be

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LET

GO

[cvilleagle]

The funny thing about Eddie Griffin is that he got into a car accident while driving drunk AND watching porn.

That's gotta be the way to go out.

[bignick33]

The funny thing about Eddie Griffin is that he got into a car accident while driving drunk AND watching porn.

The funny thing about Eddie Griffins is that they've both gotten into ridiculous car crashes.

[RedBaron67]

There are two obvious reasons for all the nostalgia about Big East basketball.

1) The Big East schools, especially the original conference members, match up (or formerly matched up) geographically and culturally with BC far better than any other conference group; i.e., they are in the northeast and mostly Catholic and/or private.

2) Because of the geographical congruence, the basketball recruiting pattern of the Big East fits (or formerly fitted) BC far better than that of the ACC, where we are an outlier. As noted above, the move to the ACC was about football/money (and also about academic snobbery -- the ACC as a group is noticeably higher on the academic totem pole than the Big East, which suits the image BC is aiming for). It made no sense in basketball terms, and so we have an incoming freshman class that is mainly from SoCal (but fortunately of good quality -- given the reality of the ACC, it was wise to hire an Ivy League coach accustomed to recruiting nationally).

What contradicts this nostalgia, as several people have pointed out, is that the Big East is rapidly becoming a conglomerate altogether different from the conference that was a good fit for BC basketball; it now extends south of the Ohio river and almost to the Mississippi, and is about to reach into Texas. Even if there were a practical possibility of going back, the incoherent mass that is now the Big East is no more (and maybe even less) of a fit for BC than the ACC. Given the way that the financial imperative (meaning mainly football money) has distorted high-major athletics, the ACC is probably as good a fit as BC can hope for at present; whether future seismic convulsions and tectonic shifts in college athletics might open better possibilities is unforeseeable and more or less a matter of pure speculation.

[BCMurt09]

Does it make more sense for BC to be in the Big East? Yeah, it does. The Big East if filled with private, mostly Catholic, schools that are a lot similar to BC- Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, and Notre Dame (for basketball). Geographically, it also makes sense as well. It makes more sense for BC to travel to Hartford, Morgantown, or Piscataway than to Coral Gables, Tallahassee, or Clemson. However, is the Big East a healthier fit for Boston College in terms of support? No. The Big East is turning itself into a big tent conference, trying to make itself look better in the national eye as an athletic conference by adding whatever teams will bring it greater national attention. Ultimately, thats why they added TCU. No Big East team was going to break the Top 10 in football, much less the Top 5, any time soon, until now.

The ACC is a better fit for Boston College for the long term because it emphasizes its football AND its basketball and it is a conference that we can count on. Do I care that the Big East will have 11 tournament teams? No, because I am willing to be that not a single one will make the Final Four, while I am confident that Duke and North Carolina both have legitimate shots. Top to bottom, athletically and academically, the ACC is a better conference. The ACC is a conference that we can count on. The Big East is not.

This map may not make much sense:


But this map is just downright confusing:

[BCMurt09]

hey murt, can you condense that into a pie chart?

I do better with bar graphs and scattergrams

[twballgame9]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

No. Retarded.

[DallasEire]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

No. Retarded.

No, BC does not belong in the Big East ? Or No on the amount of teams in the current Big East that would win twenty games in the ACC this year ?

[DallasEire]

Does it make more sense for BC to be in the Big East? Yeah, it does. The Big East if filled with private, mostly Catholic, schools that are a lot similar to BC- Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, and Notre Dame (for basketball). Geographically, it also makes sense as well. It makes more sense for BC to travel to Hartford, Morgantown, or Piscataway than to Coral Gables, Tallahassee, or Clemson. However, is the Big East a healthier fit for Boston College in terms of support? No. The Big East is turning itself into a big tent conference, trying to make itself look better in the national eye as an athletic conference by adding whatever teams will bring it greater national attention. Ultimately, thats why they added TCU. No Big East team was going to break the Top 10 in football, much less the Top 5, any time soon, until now.

The ACC is a better fit for Boston College for the long term because it emphasizes its football AND its basketball and it is a conference that we can count on. Do I care that the Big East will have 11 tournament teams? No, because I am willing to be that not a single one will make the Final Four, while I am confident that Duke and North Carolina both have legitimate shots. Top to bottom, athletically and academically, the ACC is a better conference. The ACC is a conference that we can count on. The Big East is not.

This map may not make much sense:





But this map is just downright confusing:

The current Big East structure would make a whore proud. It is ridiculous. There is no going back and that is understood. But, the original core members of the Big East are natural rivals of BC and just better basketball than VPI, Miami, FL State, and Clemson. The quote about no Big East teams having a chance at the Final Four is asinine. Certainly, the eleven qualifiers will not all perform in the tournament but that "so what - there will be no Final Four teams out of that group" arguement is nothing more than popular criticism on the level of actual analysis to a USA Today commentary. And by that logic of comparing the ACC's two top teams it must be considered that a conference with two good teams ( despite their top team having been ripped by a middling Big East team ) and a mediocre to simply awful remainder is preferable to having eleven good teams making for a conference guantlet.

Overall, the Big Ten is most likely the best conference considering relative depth to top tier programs this year but none touch the difficulty of playing the Big East slate night in and night out regardless of how stupid the current structure and format of the conference

[twballgame9]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

No. Retarded.

No, BC does not belong in the Big East ? Or No on the amount of teams in the current Big East that would win twenty games in the ACC this year ?

Yes.

[AdamBC]

ACC

Big East

[DallasEire]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

No. Retarded.

No, BC does not belong in the Big East ? Or No on the amount of teams in the current Big East that would win twenty games in the ACC this year ?

Yes.

Seven to Eight teams in Big East win twenty in ACC this year. Florida State, BC, VPI, MD, and Clemson finish 11th, 12th and below if Pitt, ND, Syr, Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, UConn, and St. John's were in their league.

Do think you're right on not belonging in New Big East but I still want the old league back complete with Mike Gorman and Ron Perry. Give me Dana Barros going for 43 at Fitzgerald Field House any day over an unwatchable noon time tip of say Wake vs Georgia Tech...

[twballgame9]

w

But lets be honest, the ACC is by FAR the toughest conference in college basketball.

Not true at all this year. Outside of Duke and UNC (both legit National Championship contenders), the ACC is very mediocre. I would be shocked if any ACC team other than those two makes the Sweet 16.

Depending on what brackets they put them in, Duke and UNC both might make the final 4.

Indeed. But Wake only played two games against these teams. They played the rest of the mediocre league in their other fourteen games,.

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame would NOT win more than 20 games if they had to play in the ACC this year.

Wow. This is idiocy. Not only would Pitt, Syr, and ND win twenty in the ACC but Lousiville, Villanova, St. John's, UConn, Georgetown, and WVA would ALSO finish in top three of ACC with twenty plus wins and Providence, Seton Hall, Cincy, and Marquette would also finish in the top half of the league and could also possibly eclipse twenty wins in this awful ACC.

Seriously, the twenty win statement is retarded. How many ACC teams have a non conference string of victories like UConn? ?

I like BC basketball too and as asinine as the size of the Big East is it is where BC belongs and it is now and has always been better basketball. I miss the MSG tourney and would much rather see a team like Villanova on a Tues in Jan over a team like NC State or ballbag team like that

No. Retarded.

No, BC does not belong in the Big East ? Or No on the amount of teams in the current Big East that would win twenty games in the ACC this year ?

Yes.

Seven to Eight teams in Big East win twenty in ACC this year. Florida State, BC, VPI, MD, and Clemson finish 11th, 12th and below if Pitt, ND, Syr, Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, UConn, and St. John's were in their league.

Do think you're right on not belonging in New Big East but I still want the old league back complete with Mike Gorman and Ron Perry. Give me Dana Barros going for 43 at Fitzgerald Field House any day over an unwatchable noon time tip of say Wake vs Georgia Tech...

Two words - DePaul.