If only Conte were like this

[ryrob]

Watching the SDSU game yesterday, I was really entertained by their student section and the whole arena was buzzing. Here's a pretty good article on "The Show", their student section. Almost like Cameron but with way fewer nerds and way more .

[BCEagles25]

So? We have peas and carrots.

[Endless Mike]

Have they always had great student support like that? I don't remember SDSU ever being good in hoops before.

[twballgame9]

They aren't that good at hoops now. They've lost to the only good team on their schedule, another overrated shitshow, twice.

[Art Vandelay]

They aren't that good at hoops now. They've lost to the only good team on their schedule, another overrated shitshow, twice.

They are 25-2 and have an SOS of 26. Am I sensing a touch of east coast bias?

[twballgame9]

They aren't that good at hoops now. They've lost to the only good team on their schedule, another overrated shitshow, twice.

They are 25-2 and have an SOS of 26. Am I sensing a touch of east coast bias?

You're sensing a touch of "I've seen them enough times now to not have to rely on the numbers."

[eepstein0]

They aren't that good at hoops now. They've lost to the only good team on their schedule, another overrated shitshow, twice.

They are 25-2 and have an SOS of 26. Am I sensing a touch of east coast bias?

You're sensing a touch of "I've seen them enough times now to not have to rely on the numbers."

I've seen SDSU play a couple of times...they're pretty good. They'd be about 12-4 in the ACC.

[twballgame9]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

[Art Vandelay]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

[BCMcG]

Have they always had great student support like that? I don't remember SDSU ever being good in hoops before.

They haven't. Gameday did a profile of them earlier this season and, when he took over, Steve Fisher had to walk around campus handing out free tickets to try to get people to show up. They're no different from the fairweather fans in Chestnut Hill.

[twballgame9]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

[Art Vandelay]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

[Art Vandelay]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

UNLV twice are good wins as well. They have an RPI of 26

[bignick33]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

I think TW's point is that they haven't beaten a top 25 (RPI) opponent this year. The two games against BYU were a missed opportunity to prove that they are a top 10 caliber team.

[twballgame9]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

You are using apples to compare to apples to make a point about oranges. Using BYU as your touchstone is absurd, and they are largely where they are because they beat SDSU twice. That's circular reasoning that is unsupported.

No idea what the shot at BC is about. BC is not a good team. SDSU is better than BC, though it would be a good matchup.

If SDSU is a 1 or a 2, they have a shot at two tourney wins just because of seeding. So would BC if they ran up an absurd conference record, and got one of those seeds. I don't hear anyone espousing vermont for a #3 seed.

By the way, a "marquis" is British royalty.

[Art Vandelay]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

I think TW's point is that they haven't beaten a top 25 (RPI) opponent this year. The two games against BYU were a missed opportunity to prove that they are a top 10 caliber team.

And my point is they beat UNLV twice who is 26th in the RPI and beat everyone else they played other than BYU. I agree they missed an opportunity to split with BYU and pick up a really good win, but that does not mean they are not a quality team. It means they have trouble with a team projected as a number 1 seed who has the best scorer in the country playing for them. I am not sying SDSU is winning a national championship or making a final four, but they are a pretty good team in my opinion.

[twballgame9]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

I think TW's point is that they haven't beaten a top 25 (RPI) opponent this year. The two games against BYU were a missed opportunity to prove that they are a top 10 caliber team.

And my point is they beat UNLV twice who is 26th in the RPI and beat everyone else they played other than BYU. I agree they missed an opportunity to split with BYU and pick up a really good win, but that does not mean they are not a quality team. It means they have trouble with a team projected as a number 1 seed who has the best scorer in the country playing for them. I am not sying SDSU is winning a national championship or making a final four, but they are a pretty good team in my opinion.

My main point is that I have seen them play Gonzaga, St. Mary's, UNLV and BYU twice (thank you awesome cable package) and I didn't see a very good team on the floor. They basically beat teams up inside with their forwards, and have one guy on the roster over 6'9'', who doesn't play much. You can get away with a forward oriented team averaging like 6'7'' in that conference. It's like a team with one guard and 3 Corey Rajis. But guards win tournament games. Gay will have to step it up big time.

[Art Vandelay]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

You are using apples to compare to apples to make a point about oranges. Using BYU as your touchstone is absurd, and they are largely where they are because they beat SDSU twice. That's circular reasoning that is unsupported.

No idea what the shot at BC is about. BC is not a good team. SDSU is better than BC, though it would be a good matchup.

If SDSU is a 1 or a 2, they have a shot at two tourney wins just because of seeding. So would BC if they ran up an absurd conference record, and got one of those seeds. I don't hear anyone espousing vermont for a #3 seed.

By the way, a "marquis" is British royalty.

I admit the shot at BC was uncalled for but I am still not over being 0-2 against the Ivy league.

I am not using BYU as my touchstone, I am simply replying to the comment that if they lose to BYU in the conf tourney they will drop a bunch. I just don't see that having a huge impact. Whether or not BYU is overrated isn't the point. BYU is highly rated and how they got there is irrelevant. Losing to them does not hurt SDSU much.

I guess your vermont reference is becuase they lost to BYU, but they also lost 6 other games this year including Maine and BU so I am not sure how that is relevant. I don't see SDSU getting a 1 or 2. A 3 is likely, maybe a 4 depending on how other teams do and that is probably right about what they deserve.

[twballgame9]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

You are using apples to compare to apples to make a point about oranges. Using BYU as your touchstone is absurd, and they are largely where they are because they beat SDSU twice. That's circular reasoning that is unsupported.

No idea what the shot at BC is about. BC is not a good team. SDSU is better than BC, though it would be a good matchup.

If SDSU is a 1 or a 2, they have a shot at two tourney wins just because of seeding. So would BC if they ran up an absurd conference record, and got one of those seeds. I don't hear anyone espousing vermont for a #3 seed.

By the way, a "marquis" is British royalty.

I admit the shot at BC was uncalled for but I am still not over being 0-2 against the Ivy league.

I am not using BYU as my touchstone, I am simply replying to the comment that if they lose to BYU in the conf tourney they will drop a bunch. I just don't see that having a huge impact. Whether or not BYU is overrated isn't the point. BYU is highly rated and how they got there is irrelevant. Losing to them does not hurt SDSU much.

I guess your vermont reference is becuase they lost to BYU, but they also lost 6 other games this year including Maine and BU so I am not sure how that is relevant. I don't see SDSU getting a 1 or 2. A 3 is likely, maybe a 4 depending on how other teams do and that is probably right about what they deserve.

I could have used Utah State or Arizona. They should be 3 seeds!

[twballgame9]

For the record, Utah State had a better performance than SDSU against BYU, beat St. Mary's like SDSU, and their other two losses are Georgetown and a WTF to Idaho (happens). They are barely scratching the top 25, would probably be an 8 or 9 seed, and if they don't win their tourney, will be on the bubble.

Their conference is not as good as SDSU's but jesus, why the descrepancy in ranking there? Probably because no one was jacking up an unranked BYU team at the time they played them. Everything is relative.

[Art Vandelay]

SDSU is essentially riding a rankings jump from a win over #12 (at the time) Gonzaga, a team that turned out to be just decent. While they have blown out some bad teams (including Cal), they also beat IUPUI by 2 and played the likes of Occidental. Their conference isn't bad, but it's not that good and the cream (BYU) handled them relatively easily twice. They had no answer for Fredette the first game, and couldn't stop the rest of the team in the second.

I'd say BYU is a decent team, that deserves a good seed, but is a major upset risk in the round of 32. SDSU is headed towards the dreaded 5-12 game with a matchup from the bottom of a power conference.

I agree they are probably a little high when looking at the numbers, but they still are a pretty good team that is liklely going to finish 27-2. They would easily be a top 4 team in the ACC this year (not that that is saying much this season). Lunardi has them a 3 right now and that is likely where they will land assuming no major meltdowns between now and then.

I don't see them as a 3 seed. Doesn't that conference have a tourney? That's one more loss, to the same team. They'll end the season ranked around 14-15 and get a 5 seed, maybe a 4.

Saying that they would be top 4 in the ACC is a HUGE stretch, but even so, means jackshit. There is only one real team in the ACC this year, and even they aren't spectacular without Irving.

P&S - that gaudy record means nothing. They have played Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU (two losses) as their only legit opponents.

Losing to BYU, who Lunardi has as a 1 seed right now, is not going to drop them much. As I said top 4 in the ACC is not saying much, but I don't see it a much of a stretch. They also have one more shot at a marquis win if they get BYU on the conference tourney final. BYU is a good team and losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of and no matter who SDSU played they beat the teams on the schedule. I know they didn't play powerhouses like Yale and Harvard, but still.

You are using apples to compare to apples to make a point about oranges. Using BYU as your touchstone is absurd, and they are largely where they are because they beat SDSU twice. That's circular reasoning that is unsupported.

No idea what the shot at BC is about. BC is not a good team. SDSU is better than BC, though it would be a good matchup.

If SDSU is a 1 or a 2, they have a shot at two tourney wins just because of seeding. So would BC if they ran up an absurd conference record, and got one of those seeds. I don't hear anyone espousing vermont for a #3 seed.

By the way, a "marquis" is British royalty.

I admit the shot at BC was uncalled for but I am still not over being 0-2 against the Ivy league.

I am not using BYU as my touchstone, I am simply replying to the comment that if they lose to BYU in the conf tourney they will drop a bunch. I just don't see that having a huge impact. Whether or not BYU is overrated isn't the point. BYU is highly rated and how they got there is irrelevant. Losing to them does not hurt SDSU much.

I guess your vermont reference is becuase they lost to BYU, but they also lost 6 other games this year including Maine and BU so I am not sure how that is relevant. I don't see SDSU getting a 1 or 2. A 3 is likely, maybe a 4 depending on how other teams do and that is probably right about what they deserve.

I could have used Utah State or Arizona. They should be 3 seeds!

Lunardi has Arizona as a 5 seed anyway so its not too far off but they have 6 losses so not exactly an apt comparison. Utah State would work well since they have losses to BYU and Gtown, but they lost to Idaho so they are not quite the same. I get the point you are trying to make, though you don't really have a good comparison. I just don't see how a team in a non BCS conference would ever have a chance to get a decent seed with your logic. Say what you will about RPI but SOS etc are factored into it and when you end up at #4 you did something right.

[twballgame9]

SOS is faulty in it's very nature, as it is based on opponents and opponent's opponents winning percentage. There is no effort whatsoever to distinguish between a 17-11 (8-8) team in the Big East and one in the WAC. It overweights early season nonconference schedules, and essentially renders moot the strength of you conference (granted, not all teams have balanced conference schedules, but bear with me, the difference is slight) as the total for the first two thirds as it relates to conference play essentially balances out to .500 in every conference.

That's why I hate statistics. I can turn on the TV and watch SDSU and compare them to a team like Wisconsin or Louisville right behind them and see the difference. It is obvious.

[ryrob]

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[RedBaron67]

For what it's worth, BYU's record against high-majors is 1-1 (beat Arizona 87-65(!), lost to UCLA 86-79, both on neutral floors); their only other loss was to New Mexico in The Pit, 86-77. They play New Mexico in Provo tomorrow night. If they win out, they might squeeze into a 2 seed, given the shortage of dominant high-majors.

[twballgame9]

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I wasn't doing any baiting in this thread. I honestly think SDSU is a decent, but not great team that doesn't play anyone other than a pretty good midmajor (that actually deserves a 3 seed and plays some decent teams) and has major personnel matchup nightmares that will kill them in the dance.

If I got baited, then I am fine with that. It is an interesting discussion. What do you do with midmajors that don't play anyone when they take care of business all season, but have obvious flaws with their squad that you can project to be issues when they play teams from the big conferences?

In truth, calling a team a 3 seed is saying that they are likely for the Sweet 16. Calling them a 2 seed is saying that they are likely for the Elite 8 and a Final Four contender. If you were on the selection committee, would you consider SDSU a likelihood for even the Sweet 16? BYU, yes - they should be a 3 or a 4 (right now). SDSU - not so much. I'd have them slotted for a 5 or 6, which would put them squarely in first round danger zone.

[Art Vandelay]

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I wasn't doing any baiting in this thread. I honestly think SDSU is a decent, but not great team that doesn't play anyone other than a pretty good midmajor (that actually deserves a 3 seed and plays some decent teams) and has major personnel matchup nightmares that will kill them in the dance.

If I got baited, then I am fine with that. It is an interesting discussion. What do you do with midmajors that don't play anyone when they take care of business all season, but have obvious flaws with their squad that you can project to be issues when they play teams from the big conferences?

In truth, calling a team a 3 seed is saying that they are likely for the Sweet 16. Calling them a 2 seed is saying that they are likely for the Elite 8 and a Final Four contender. If you were on the selection committee, would you consider SDSU a likelihood for even the Sweet 16? BYU, yes - they should be a 3 or a 4 (right now). SDSU - not so much. I'd have them slotted for a 5 or 6, which would put them squarely in first round danger zone.

It is an interesting discussion and I agree it is hard to judge a team like SDSU against a team with a worse record that plays in a major conference. I think an important point is that whether the numbers are flawed or not (and I agree the SOS and RPI calcs are not perfect) the committee uses them. So like it or not an RPI of 4 with an SOS of 26 gets a pretty high seed. They are also still in the top 10 so less than a 3 would be a hard sell. It's also interesting that you note that making them a 3 is saying they are likely for the sweet 16. In many cases that is a self fulfilling prophecy since the high seed gives them an easier path.

I saw Lunardi and debating this with Gottleib this morning. Lunardi says BYU is on the #1 line and its not close, but Gottlieb is more in your court and thought Duke should be a #1 over them. I guess this is what makes basketball better than football when it somes to crowning a champ. At some point the teams have to play whereas in fottball this type of debate would determine who even gets a shot.

[cvilleagle]

all of my posts in this thread

I wasn't doing any baiting in this thread. I honestly think SDSU is a decent, but not great team that doesn't play anyone other than a pretty good midmajor (that actually deserves a 3 seed and plays some decent teams) and has major personnel matchup nightmares that will kill them in the dance.

If I got baited, then I am fine with that. It is an interesting discussion. What do you do with midmajors that don't play anyone when they take care of business all season, but have obvious flaws with their squad that you can project to be issues when they play teams from the big conferences?

In truth, calling a team a 3 seed is saying that they are likely for the Sweet 16. Calling them a 2 seed is saying that they are likely for the Elite 8 and a Final Four contender. If you were on the selection committee, would you consider SDSU a likelihood for even the Sweet 16? BYU, yes - they should be a 3 or a 4 (right now). SDSU - not so much. I'd have them slotted for a 5 or 6, which would put them squarely in first round danger zone.

It is an interesting discussion and I agree it is hard to judge a team like SDSU against a team with a worse record that plays in a major conference. I think an important point is that whether the numbers are flawed or not (and I agree the SOS and RPI calcs are not perfect) the committee uses them. So like it or not an RPI of 4 with an SOS of 26 gets a pretty high seed. They are also still in the top 10 so less than a 3 would be a hard sell. It's also interesting that you note that making them a 3 is saying they are likely for the sweet 16. In many cases that is a self fulfilling prophecy since the high seed gives them an easier path.

I saw Lunardi and debating this with Gottleib this morning. Lunardi says BYU is on the #1 line and its not close, but Gottlieb is more in your court and thought Duke should be a #1 over them. I guess this is what makes basketball better than football when it somes to crowning a champ. At some point the teams have to play whereas in fottball this type of debate would determine who even gets a shot.

It's kind of crazy that they're debating whether to put BYU or Duke on the #1 line, because although BYU is a solid team, even a good team, I have no doubt that Nolan Smith would eat Jimmer for lunch head-to-head. And that's BYU's best matchup.

[BC923]

If BYU gets a one seed and whoever comes out of the OVC gets a 16, I'd bet on the OVC team, maybe only 15% chance they win but i think its a better chance than ever and the odds would be spectacular.

[weinerdog]

BYU is surely no longer a safe #1. I think it's fair to speculate that SDSU can beat them in the conference tourney. So THEN what do you do with them? Reward them? Discount the win and torch BYU's seed along with SDSU? The key throwaway comment in this thread is the word "win". Other than losing to an at-the-time-worthy-of-Top-5-or-10 BYU, SDSU has been perfect. Sure they've played a lot of other teams not much (or any) better than, say, Yale, but they've beaten ALL of those lesser squads, unlike just about everybody else in the country. I think they're a Top-4 seed, and will play to it in March Madness.

[bignick33]

I don't think BYU is a 1 team anymore. They had limited games to prove that they're still a top team despite the loss of Davies, and I now wouldn't be surprised if they drop below a 2 as well.