MELLOW KNICK YELLOW

[footer20]

Have to agree with 9 on this. They decimated their roster for this trade, and that would even be fine if they had 2 superstars, but they have 1, given that Amare is toast. So Carmelo is going to try to carry the team, and he's a very, very, good player, but he's not good enough to carry them night in and night out. Ronnie Turiaf is this team's starting center. Ronnie Turiaf.

That being said, while they're not better, it may still have been a good trade. At least they'll sell some tickets, and they weren't a legit contender anyways.

And the Cs did worse damage to their roster to acquire Garnett. They filled it with late 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and exception contracts... and then they went out and won the gd NBA championship. Every team would gut their roster for one of the true bonafide stars in the Association. The Knicks are better today than they were yesterday. And they are better tomorrow too. The issues with Amare's knees are real. But, they already had the risk. They didn't just acquire him in the deal.

The question I raised was whether they are good enough. They aren't. Amare was a well-deserved All-Star and, so long as he can deal with the bone-on-bone grinding, he will continue to be an elite player. When combined with Carmelo, this means that the Knicks will win twice as many games as they lose. They don't play D and that will be their death in the second round of the playoffs. But, they will make the second round (which they couldn't say before the trade).

Yeah, this really isn't anything like the Garnett/Allen acquisitions, which happened in the same preseason to add a 2nd and 3rd star. The Cs already had a young center that they didn't trade and had just made the steal of the draft with Glen Davis. They also had a PG that was about to blossom, Rondo, and a defensive stopper in Tony Allen, and a bull on the glass in leon Powe. Add to that fact that FA was still going on, so they made the roster deep with guys that were contributers, like Posey and House.

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

[HJS]

Have to agree with 9 on this. They decimated their roster for this trade, and that would even be fine if they had 2 superstars, but they have 1, given that Amare is toast. So Carmelo is going to try to carry the team, and he's a very, very, good player, but he's not good enough to carry them night in and night out. Ronnie Turiaf is this team's starting center. Ronnie Turiaf.

That being said, while they're not better, it may still have been a good trade. At least they'll sell some tickets, and they weren't a legit contender anyways.

And the Cs did worse damage to their roster to acquire Garnett. They filled it with late 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and exception contracts... and then they went out and won the gd NBA championship. Every team would gut their roster for one of the true bonafide stars in the Association. The Knicks are better today than they were yesterday. And they are better tomorrow too. The issues with Amare's knees are real. But, they already had the risk. They didn't just acquire him in the deal.

The question I raised was whether they are good enough. They aren't. Amare was a well-deserved All-Star and, so long as he can deal with the bone-on-bone grinding, he will continue to be an elite player. When combined with Carmelo, this means that the Knicks will win twice as many games as they lose. They don't play D and that will be their death in the second round of the playoffs. But, they will make the second round (which they couldn't say before the trade).

Yeah, this really isn't anything like the Garnett/Allen acquisitions, which happened in the same preseason to add a 2nd and 3rd star. The Cs already had a young center that they didn't trade and had just made the steal of the draft with Glen Davis. They also had a PG that was about to blossom, Rondo, and a defensive stopper in Tony Allen, and a bull on the glass in leon Powe. Add to that fact that FA was still going on, so they made the roster deep with guys that were contributers, like Posey and House.

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

All revisionist history... anyone saying they knew a second rounder would be a contributor is almost as clownshoes as saying that Shinskie could lead the team to 10 wins because we won 8 games the year before. Btw, Jefferson plateauing has an awful lot to do with losing Pierce as a teammate.

[twballgame9]

Have to agree with 9 on this. They decimated their roster for this trade, and that would even be fine if they had 2 superstars, but they have 1, given that Amare is toast. So Carmelo is going to try to carry the team, and he's a very, very, good player, but he's not good enough to carry them night in and night out. Ronnie Turiaf is this team's starting center. Ronnie Turiaf.

That being said, while they're not better, it may still have been a good trade. At least they'll sell some tickets, and they weren't a legit contender anyways.

And the Cs did worse damage to their roster to acquire Garnett. They filled it with late 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and exception contracts... and then they went out and won the gd NBA championship. Every team would gut their roster for one of the true bonafide stars in the Association. The Knicks are better today than they were yesterday. And they are better tomorrow too. The issues with Amare's knees are real. But, they already had the risk. They didn't just acquire him in the deal.

The question I raised was whether they are good enough. They aren't. Amare was a well-deserved All-Star and, so long as he can deal with the bone-on-bone grinding, he will continue to be an elite player. When combined with Carmelo, this means that the Knicks will win twice as many games as they lose. They don't play D and that will be their death in the second round of the playoffs. But, they will make the second round (which they couldn't say before the trade).

Yeah, this really isn't anything like the Garnett/Allen acquisitions, which happened in the same preseason to add a 2nd and 3rd star. The Cs already had a young center that they didn't trade and had just made the steal of the draft with Glen Davis. They also had a PG that was about to blossom, Rondo, and a defensive stopper in Tony Allen, and a bull on the glass in leon Powe. Add to that fact that FA was still going on, so they made the roster deep with guys that were contributers, like Posey and House.

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

All revisionist history... anyone saying they knew a second rounder would be a contributor is almost as clownshoes as saying that Shinskie could lead the team to 10 wins because we won 8 games the year before. Btw, Jefferson plateauing has an awful lot to do with losing Pierce as a teammate.

So you are focused on the one Big Baby comment rather that the several other points, including the fact that they got 2 stars that season to go with a third, not one, that it was the offseason and not the trading deadline so they were able to add House and Posey shortly thereafter, and the fact that they already had a steady PG in Rondo (who any moron would have known would improve by adding Garnett and Allen) and pretty good and young center that was the cornerstone of the defense in Perkins, and two solid bench guys (to be the 8th and 9th guys btw) in Powe and T. Allen. How very OJ of you.

Fact is that this decimation of the Knicks roster looks nothing like what the Cs did. The Knicks will be lucky to make the playoffs this year, will be a 7 or 8 seed next year, and then it will all come down to whether they can get a third guy in 2 years.

[footer20]

Have to agree with 9 on this. They decimated their roster for this trade, and that would even be fine if they had 2 superstars, but they have 1, given that Amare is toast. So Carmelo is going to try to carry the team, and he's a very, very, good player, but he's not good enough to carry them night in and night out. Ronnie Turiaf is this team's starting center. Ronnie Turiaf.

That being said, while they're not better, it may still have been a good trade. At least they'll sell some tickets, and they weren't a legit contender anyways.

And the Cs did worse damage to their roster to acquire Garnett. They filled it with late 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and exception contracts... and then they went out and won the gd NBA championship. Every team would gut their roster for one of the true bonafide stars in the Association. The Knicks are better today than they were yesterday. And they are better tomorrow too. The issues with Amare's knees are real. But, they already had the risk. They didn't just acquire him in the deal.

The question I raised was whether they are good enough. They aren't. Amare was a well-deserved All-Star and, so long as he can deal with the bone-on-bone grinding, he will continue to be an elite player. When combined with Carmelo, this means that the Knicks will win twice as many games as they lose. They don't play D and that will be their death in the second round of the playoffs. But, they will make the second round (which they couldn't say before the trade).

Yeah, this really isn't anything like the Garnett/Allen acquisitions, which happened in the same preseason to add a 2nd and 3rd star. The Cs already had a young center that they didn't trade and had just made the steal of the draft with Glen Davis. They also had a PG that was about to blossom, Rondo, and a defensive stopper in Tony Allen, and a bull on the glass in leon Powe. Add to that fact that FA was still going on, so they made the roster deep with guys that were contributers, like Posey and House.

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

All revisionist history... anyone saying they knew a second rounder would be a contributor is almost as clownshoes as saying that Shinskie could lead the team to 10 wins because we won 8 games the year before. Btw, Jefferson plateauing has an awful lot to do with losing Pierce as a teammate.

So you are focused on the one Big Baby comment rather that the several other points, including the fact that they got 2 stars that season to go with a third, not one, that it was the offseason and not the trading deadline so they were able to add House and Posey shortly thereafter, and the fact that they already had a steady PG in Rondo (who any moron would have known would improve by adding Garnett and Allen) and pretty good and young center that was the cornerstone of the defense in Perkins, and two solid bench guys (to be the 8th and 9th guys btw) in Powe and T. Allen. How very OJ of you.

Fact is that this decimation of the Knicks roster looks nothing like what the Cs did. The Knicks will be lucky to make the playoffs this year, will be a 7 or 8 seed next year, and then it will all come down to whether they can get a third guy in 2 years.

Perk is a big body down there that can match up w/ Howard, Bynum, etc. but KG was the cornerstone of that defense. The Knicks have two and a half stars with Chauncey Billups, and he always seems to step up down the stretch

[Logitano]

Have to agree with 9 on this. They decimated their roster for this trade, and that would even be fine if they had 2 superstars, but they have 1, given that Amare is toast. So Carmelo is going to try to carry the team, and he's a very, very, good player, but he's not good enough to carry them night in and night out. Ronnie Turiaf is this team's starting center. Ronnie Turiaf.

That being said, while they're not better, it may still have been a good trade. At least they'll sell some tickets, and they weren't a legit contender anyways.

And the Cs did worse damage to their roster to acquire Garnett. They filled it with late 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and exception contracts... and then they went out and won the gd NBA championship. Every team would gut their roster for one of the true bonafide stars in the Association. The Knicks are better today than they were yesterday. And they are better tomorrow too. The issues with Amare's knees are real. But, they already had the risk. They didn't just acquire him in the deal.

The question I raised was whether they are good enough. They aren't. Amare was a well-deserved All-Star and, so long as he can deal with the bone-on-bone grinding, he will continue to be an elite player. When combined with Carmelo, this means that the Knicks will win twice as many games as they lose. They don't play D and that will be their death in the second round of the playoffs. But, they will make the second round (which they couldn't say before the trade).

Yeah, this really isn't anything like the Garnett/Allen acquisitions, which happened in the same preseason to add a 2nd and 3rd star. The Cs already had a young center that they didn't trade and had just made the steal of the draft with Glen Davis. They also had a PG that was about to blossom, Rondo, and a defensive stopper in Tony Allen, and a bull on the glass in leon Powe. Add to that fact that FA was still going on, so they made the roster deep with guys that were contributers, like Posey and House.

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

All revisionist history... anyone saying they knew a second rounder would be a contributor is almost as clownshoes as saying that Shinskie could lead the team to 10 wins because we won 8 games the year before. Btw, Jefferson plateauing has an awful lot to do with losing Pierce as a teammate.

So you are focused on the one Big Baby comment rather that the several other points, including the fact that they got 2 stars that season to go with a third, not one, that it was the offseason and not the trading deadline so they were able to add House and Posey shortly thereafter, and the fact that they already had a steady PG in Rondo (who any moron would have known would improve by adding Garnett and Allen) and pretty good and young center that was the cornerstone of the defense in Perkins, and two solid bench guys (to be the 8th and 9th guys btw) in Powe and T. Allen. How very OJ of you.

Fact is that this decimation of the Knicks roster looks nothing like what the Cs did. The Knicks will be lucky to make the playoffs this year, will be a 7 or 8 seed next year, and then it will all come down to whether they can get a third guy in 2 years.

Do you honestly believe the knicks will barely make or only luck into the playoffs this year? That statment is on the level of innocentretardo.

[twballgame9]

Have to agree with 9 on this. They decimated their roster for this trade, and that would even be fine if they had 2 superstars, but they have 1, given that Amare is toast. So Carmelo is going to try to carry the team, and he's a very, very, good player, but he's not good enough to carry them night in and night out. Ronnie Turiaf is this team's starting center. Ronnie Turiaf.

That being said, while they're not better, it may still have been a good trade. At least they'll sell some tickets, and they weren't a legit contender anyways.

And the Cs did worse damage to their roster to acquire Garnett. They filled it with late 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and exception contracts... and then they went out and won the gd NBA championship. Every team would gut their roster for one of the true bonafide stars in the Association. The Knicks are better today than they were yesterday. And they are better tomorrow too. The issues with Amare's knees are real. But, they already had the risk. They didn't just acquire him in the deal.

The question I raised was whether they are good enough. They aren't. Amare was a well-deserved All-Star and, so long as he can deal with the bone-on-bone grinding, he will continue to be an elite player. When combined with Carmelo, this means that the Knicks will win twice as many games as they lose. They don't play D and that will be their death in the second round of the playoffs. But, they will make the second round (which they couldn't say before the trade).

Yeah, this really isn't anything like the Garnett/Allen acquisitions, which happened in the same preseason to add a 2nd and 3rd star. The Cs already had a young center that they didn't trade and had just made the steal of the draft with Glen Davis. They also had a PG that was about to blossom, Rondo, and a defensive stopper in Tony Allen, and a bull on the glass in leon Powe. Add to that fact that FA was still going on, so they made the roster deep with guys that were contributers, like Posey and House.

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

All revisionist history... anyone saying they knew a second rounder would be a contributor is almost as clownshoes as saying that Shinskie could lead the team to 10 wins because we won 8 games the year before. Btw, Jefferson plateauing has an awful lot to do with losing Pierce as a teammate.

So you are focused on the one Big Baby comment rather that the several other points, including the fact that they got 2 stars that season to go with a third, not one, that it was the offseason and not the trading deadline so they were able to add House and Posey shortly thereafter, and the fact that they already had a steady PG in Rondo (who any moron would have known would improve by adding Garnett and Allen) and pretty good and young center that was the cornerstone of the defense in Perkins, and two solid bench guys (to be the 8th and 9th guys btw) in Powe and T. Allen. How very OJ of you.

Fact is that this decimation of the Knicks roster looks nothing like what the Cs did. The Knicks will be lucky to make the playoffs this year, will be a 7 or 8 seed next year, and then it will all come down to whether they can get a third guy in 2 years.

Do you honestly believe the knicks will barely make or only luck into the playoffs this year? That statment is on the level of innocentretardo.

Barely a playoff team now + weakened roster + period of time needed to get used to ball hog = no playoffs. Their saving grace is that the 9th team is 5 back.

Oh, and the idea that they would make the second round is utterly retarded. If the playoffs started today, they draw Chicago.

[Logitano]

Have to agree with 9 on this. They decimated their roster for this trade, and that would even be fine if they had 2 superstars, but they have 1, given that Amare is toast. So Carmelo is going to try to carry the team, and he's a very, very, good player, but he's not good enough to carry them night in and night out. Ronnie Turiaf is this team's starting center. Ronnie Turiaf.

That being said, while they're not better, it may still have been a good trade. At least they'll sell some tickets, and they weren't a legit contender anyways.

And the Cs did worse damage to their roster to acquire Garnett. They filled it with late 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and exception contracts... and then they went out and won the gd NBA championship. Every team would gut their roster for one of the true bonafide stars in the Association. The Knicks are better today than they were yesterday. And they are better tomorrow too. The issues with Amare's knees are real. But, they already had the risk. They didn't just acquire him in the deal.

The question I raised was whether they are good enough. They aren't. Amare was a well-deserved All-Star and, so long as he can deal with the bone-on-bone grinding, he will continue to be an elite player. When combined with Carmelo, this means that the Knicks will win twice as many games as they lose. They don't play D and that will be their death in the second round of the playoffs. But, they will make the second round (which they couldn't say before the trade).

Yeah, this really isn't anything like the Garnett/Allen acquisitions, which happened in the same preseason to add a 2nd and 3rd star. The Cs already had a young center that they didn't trade and had just made the steal of the draft with Glen Davis. They also had a PG that was about to blossom, Rondo, and a defensive stopper in Tony Allen, and a bull on the glass in leon Powe. Add to that fact that FA was still going on, so they made the roster deep with guys that were contributers, like Posey and House.

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

All revisionist history... anyone saying they knew a second rounder would be a contributor is almost as clownshoes as saying that Shinskie could lead the team to 10 wins because we won 8 games the year before. Btw, Jefferson plateauing has an awful lot to do with losing Pierce as a teammate.

So you are focused on the one Big Baby comment rather that the several other points, including the fact that they got 2 stars that season to go with a third, not one, that it was the offseason and not the trading deadline so they were able to add House and Posey shortly thereafter, and the fact that they already had a steady PG in Rondo (who any moron would have known would improve by adding Garnett and Allen) and pretty good and young center that was the cornerstone of the defense in Perkins, and two solid bench guys (to be the 8th and 9th guys btw) in Powe and T. Allen. How very OJ of you.

Fact is that this decimation of the Knicks roster looks nothing like what the Cs did. The Knicks will be lucky to make the playoffs this year, will be a 7 or 8 seed next year, and then it will all come down to whether they can get a third guy in 2 years.

Do you honestly believe the knicks will barely make or only luck into the playoffs this year? That statment is on the level of innocentretardo.

Barely a playoff team now + weakened roster + period of time needed to get used to ball hog = no playoffs. Their saving grace is that the 9th team is 5 back.

Oh, and the idea that they would make the second round is utterly retarded. If the playoffs started today, they draw Chicago.

You think drawing Chicago over the c's and the heat is a bad thing? You sound like a Notre Dame/Yankee fan the way you speak of this. I am willing to put up a bet on the Knicks making the playoffs.

[twballgame9]

And Knicks fans sound like...well, Knicks fans.

My observations on the Knicks are not shaded in Green in anyway. The Knicks remain irrelevant to the Celtics. If this were about the Celtics chances, we'd be discussing Western Conference teams.

[Logitano]

And Knicks fans sound like...well, Knicks fans.

My observations on the Knicks are not shaded in Green in anyway. The Knicks remain irrelevant to the Celtics. If this were about the Celtics chances, we'd be discussing Western Conference teams.

So are you not willing to place a bet on this? I say the Knicks are going to the playoffs and you say no, correct?

[HJS]

Remember when Cs fans were telling us yesterday how awesome Perkins is and how they gave up "nothing" in Jeff Green?
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/ne ... id=6155082


You go Teddy!!!

[twballgame9]

Remember when Cs fans were telling us yesterday how awesome Perkins is and how they gave up "nothing" in Jeff Green?
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/ne ... id=6155082


You go Teddy!!!

Nobody said anything about Jeff Green, as he wasn't in the Garnett deal, and, according to the HJS theorem, you can't project what draft picks would do. That said, this deal is a wash - they lose interior defense and add a very good (and young) small forward.

[twballgame9]

And Knicks fans sound like...well, Knicks fans.

My observations on the Knicks are not shaded in Green in anyway. The Knicks remain irrelevant to the Celtics. If this were about the Celtics chances, we'd be discussing Western Conference teams.

So are you not willing to place a bet on this? I say the Knicks are going to the playoffs and you say no, correct?

Sure, who gives a fuck? I didn't say I wouldn't bet, I just don't care that much about the Knicks.

[HJS]

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

Bump.

Query... do you still talk to Michael Simpson?

[twballgame9]

And the people we gave up were bonuses. Big Al was hard but he plateaued a little. Delonte is back and the presence of Rondo padded that loss, but the loss of Sczerbiack, Gomes, Telfair, and the first round pick (jeff green) didnt hurt us.

Bump.

Bumping somebody else's quote to prove I contradicted myself? How very OJ of you.

I never passed any judgment whatsoever on the guys the Cs gave up. I simply commented on what they had left after the deal, the fact that they had three stars, not two, and that what they were able to acquire because they did this in the offseason made them strong right away.

[HJS]

Remember when Cs fans were telling us yesterday how awesome Perkins is and how they gave up "nothing" in Jeff Green?
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/ne ... id=6155082


You go Teddy!!!

Nobody said anything about Jeff Green.

Bump

[Endless Mike]

I'm just shocked someone forgot something that footer20 has posted.

[twballgame9]

Remember when Cs fans were telling us yesterday how awesome Perkins is and how they gave up "nothing" in Jeff Green?
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/ne ... id=6155082


You go Teddy!!!

Nobody said anything about Jeff Green.

Bump

Keep bumping OJ. Feel free to find where I made any comment about what either the Knicks or the Celtics gave up in the Garnett/Melo trades. Oh, and feel free to remind me again - was Jeff Green traded to the Timberwolves?

HJS, never letting facts get in the way of pretending he won an argument.

For the record, I liked Al Jefferson, and was wrong when I thought he would be a big loss. I was right, however, when I guaranteed that the Garnett/Allen acquisitions would bring Boston at least one championship, and you said they were old and wouldn't get more than a year or two out of them.

[twballgame9]

I'm just shocked someone forgot something that footer20 has posted.

HJS didn't forget. If it will help him pretend to win an argument, he's like a friggin vault.

[Logitano]

And Knicks fans sound like...well, Knicks fans.

My observations on the Knicks are not shaded in Green in anyway. The Knicks remain irrelevant to the Celtics. If this were about the Celtics chances, we'd be discussing Western Conference teams.

So are you not willing to place a bet on this? I say the Knicks are going to the playoffs and you say no, correct?

Sure, who gives a fuck? I didn't say I wouldn't bet, I just don't care that much about the Knicks.

I am willing to put up the face value for 2 tickets for 2 new york knicks home playoff games.

[twballgame9]

And Knicks fans sound like...well, Knicks fans.

My observations on the Knicks are not shaded in Green in anyway. The Knicks remain irrelevant to the Celtics. If this were about the Celtics chances, we'd be discussing Western Conference teams.

So are you not willing to place a bet on this? I say the Knicks are going to the playoffs and you say no, correct?

Sure, who gives a fuck? I didn't say I wouldn't bet, I just don't care that much about the Knicks.

I am willing to put up the face value for 2 tickets for 2 new york knicks home playoff games.

Yeah, I don't care anywhere near that much. And if I am right, that's going to be $0.

[twballgame9]

Wait, what?

The Knicks aren't any better today than they were yesterday. And Amare is 28 going on 45. They did get a big star though, although he is grossly overrated. But it should ensure more butts in the seats to witness .500 basketball.

The Knicks are better than they were yesterday by a country mile. The Knicks sell out almost every game. Everytime you write something like that I wish the coward paul pierce had finished the job when he attempted suicide 10 years ago.

The Knicks may not even be as good today as they were yesterday. Enjoy the "Pay Amare to get surgery and watch Carmelo go for 30 on 56 shots while giving up 140 points" era of Knick hoop.

He he.

[BCEagle74]

9--

How many times do I have to tell you...so goes Dino Gallinari so goes the NBA...

There was a reason PHX said buh bye to Amare's knee.

The Knicks has some talent and space, wait until next year when the corporations get billed $350K for 4 seats.

[Endless Mike]

Speaking of revisionist history, remember after the Garnett and Allen trades when HOMOJS said the Celtics would suck because they were too old?

[twballgame9]

Speaking of revisionist history, remember after the Garnett and Allen trades when HOMOJS said the Celtics would suck because they were too old?

I do. Actually he said they would have one good year, not win, and then suck.