cvilleagle {l Wrote}:I watched some of the scrimmage. It seemed like they weren't yet very organized. I think they have a tall order in front of them if they're going to win this tournament - they don't have much size, but as usual they have the best athletes of any team.
I have always wondered why the rule that you can tip it while in the cylinder doesn't benefit the U.S. a lot more, with the superior athleticism.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:I watched some of the scrimmage. It seemed like they weren't yet very organized. I think they have a tall order in front of them if they're going to win this tournament - they don't have much size, but as usual they have the best athletes of any team.
I have always wondered why the rule that you can tip it while in the cylinder doesn't benefit the U.S. a lot more, with the superior athleticism.
It would if they were conditioned to use it to their advantage. The NBA rules are so engraved in their heads that it's tough to turn it off. As for the scrimmage, I agree it was highly disorganized, though to be fair, they've only been together for 4 days. The positive though was that among a number of NBA All-Stars and solid upper tier players, Kevin Durant looked like he was playing against middle schoolers, so he should be outright dominant. Not to mention that the speed and athleticism of the team is off the charts.
The trouble they're going have is when the smarter teams (read: Greece, Spain, France, Argentina) are able to slow the game down. Can the US operate in a half court game? There's an AWFUL lot of guys on that US team that were weened on AAU street ball, which is a proven way to get yourself beaten in international tournaments. There's a real dearth of guys who can consistently make a stand still jumper which, like the 2006, 2004, and 2002 teams, could be their undoing.
Were I Jerry Colangelo, my roster would look like this:
Starters: C. Billups, K. Durant, D. Granger, K. Love, B. Lopez
Bench: D. Rose, S. Curry, E. Gordon, R. Gay, O. Mayo, L. Odom, T. Chandler
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:I watched some of the scrimmage. It seemed like they weren't yet very organized. I think they have a tall order in front of them if they're going to win this tournament - they don't have much size, but as usual they have the best athletes of any team.
I have always wondered why the rule that you can tip it while in the cylinder doesn't benefit the U.S. a lot more, with the superior athleticism.
It would if they were conditioned to use it to their advantage. The NBA rules are so engraved in their heads that it's tough to turn it off. As for the scrimmage, I agree it was highly disorganized, though to be fair, they've only been together for 4 days. The positive though was that among a number of NBA All-Stars and solid upper tier players, Kevin Durant looked like he was playing against middle schoolers, so he should be outright dominant. Not to mention that the speed and athleticism of the team is off the charts.
The trouble they're going have is when the smarter teams (read: Greece, Spain, France, Argentina) are able to slow the game down. Can the US operate in a half court game? There's an AWFUL lot of guys on that US team that were weened on AAU street ball, which is a proven way to get yourself beaten in international tournaments. There's a real dearth of guys who can consistently make a stand still jumper which, like the 2006, 2004, and 2002 teams, could be their undoing.
Were I Jerry Colangelo, my roster would look like this:
Starters: C. Billups, K. Durant, D. Granger, K. Love, B. Lopez
Bench: D. Rose, S. Curry, E. Gordon, R. Gay, O. Mayo, L. Odom, T. Chandler
You are worried about shooting, and yet you want to start Durant at the 2?
I'd start Curry and Billups in the same backcourt. I'd shift Granger to the 4, and bring Love off the bench. And I wouldn't bother with Mayo or Gay.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:I watched some of the scrimmage. It seemed like they weren't yet very organized. I think they have a tall order in front of them if they're going to win this tournament - they don't have much size, but as usual they have the best athletes of any team.
I have always wondered why the rule that you can tip it while in the cylinder doesn't benefit the U.S. a lot more, with the superior athleticism.
It would if they were conditioned to use it to their advantage. The NBA rules are so engraved in their heads that it's tough to turn it off. As for the scrimmage, I agree it was highly disorganized, though to be fair, they've only been together for 4 days. The positive though was that among a number of NBA All-Stars and solid upper tier players, Kevin Durant looked like he was playing against middle schoolers, so he should be outright dominant. Not to mention that the speed and athleticism of the team is off the charts.
The trouble they're going have is when the smarter teams (read: Greece, Spain, France, Argentina) are able to slow the game down. Can the US operate in a half court game? There's an AWFUL lot of guys on that US team that were weened on AAU street ball, which is a proven way to get yourself beaten in international tournaments. There's a real dearth of guys who can consistently make a stand still jumper which, like the 2006, 2004, and 2002 teams, could be their undoing.
Were I Jerry Colangelo, my roster would look like this:
Starters: C. Billups, K. Durant, D. Granger, K. Love, B. Lopez
Bench: D. Rose, S. Curry, E. Gordon, R. Gay, O. Mayo, L. Odom, T. Chandler
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The reason not to start Durant at the 2 is self explanatory. You need a shooter, not a guy that can shoot. And enough with the skinny, tall, athletic, weak, small forwards that don't play defense and don't rebound.
Billups
Curry
Durant
Love
Chandler
Lopez
Odom
Rose
Gay
Green
Iguodola
And next time, invite Kyle Korver.
cvilleagle {l Wrote}:They cut Mayo, Evans, McGee and Wallace. None of those cuts surprise me very much.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I will still take the US. UncleDave can give me some points.
Puerto Rico Eagle {l Wrote}:The US should still be co favorite with Spain simply because they probably still have the most athletic and talented roster in the tournament and when you have PGs like Rose Rondo and Westbrook you have a shot...However, I would not be surprised if either Spain or Greece beat the US...Also, I think Brazil is a dark horse...Nene Varajao and Splitter down low could give the US fits sice they dont have many true Centers or PF...Down here in Puerto Rico we hope to et to the last 8...thats the goal and I think it can be done...should be a fun tournament
footer20 {l Wrote}:The whole team should be based on shooting, which is the whole international game. You need great shooters such as Curry, Korver, and Redick. To field a team you should also check their college production, as the international game is far closer to the NCAA than the NBA. The international teams will play zone and you need shooters to bust that zone and then bring in the athleticism when they try man. You could try to turn it into a track meet with the currrent roster but to run you must rebound and this team doesn't look like theiri big enough or strong enough to control the boards. I am guessing that guys like Deron Williams, Chris paul, Lebron, d wade, kobe, carmelo, bosh, howard and others from the olympic team had no interest of playing they should field a more European type team. Maybe a roster that looks like this:
PG Derrick Rose
PG Chauncey Billups
PG Russell Westbrook
SG Stephen Curry
SG Joe Johnson
SG JJ Redick
SF Kevin Durant
SF Kyle Korver
PF kevin Love
PF Carlos Boozer
C Al Horford
C david lee
You would have speed at the PG position, shooting ability at the 2 and 3 position and solid rebounders at the 4 and 5 position. Some of the players arent so high profile but there game is perfect for the international scene
Puerto Rico Eagle {l Wrote}:By the way...I think Argentina's run with its golden generation of players is over...Just played Puerto Rico in Argentina and only won in OT with Scola Oberto Delfino playing 30+ minutes...Puerto Rico was missing its 4 best players...including our 3 NBA players
Puerto Rico Eagle {l Wrote}:footer20 {l Wrote}:The whole team should be based on shooting, which is the whole international game. You need great shooters such as Curry, Korver, and Redick. To field a team you should also check their college production, as the international game is far closer to the NCAA than the NBA. The international teams will play zone and you need shooters to bust that zone and then bring in the athleticism when they try man. You could try to turn it into a track meet with the currrent roster but to run you must rebound and this team doesn't look like theiri big enough or strong enough to control the boards. I am guessing that guys like Deron Williams, Chris paul, Lebron, d wade, kobe, carmelo, bosh, howard and others from the olympic team had no interest of playing they should field a more European type team. Maybe a roster that looks like this:
PG Derrick Rose
PG Chauncey Billups
PG Russell Westbrook
SG Stephen Curry
SG Joe Johnson
SG JJ Redick
SF Kevin Durant
SF Kyle Korver
PF kevin Love
PF Carlos Boozer
C Al Horford
C david lee
You would have speed at the PG position, shooting ability at the 2 and 3 position and solid rebounders at the 4 and 5 position. Some of the players arent so high profile but there game is perfect for the international scene
Nice line up...but horford is dominican so you will have to scratch his name of the list...plus...not all teams are completely based of shooting and the one huge advantage that the US holds over the rest of the world is athletic ability why not use it? Rudy Gay instead of Korver for example...
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Curry starting. Good.
This is marginally less boring than the "Tiger Woods is out of it so he went off early enough that we can show every one of his shots" festival on TNT. Okay, maybe not.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Curry starting. Good.
This is marginally less boring than the "Tiger Woods is out of it so he went off early enough that we can show every one of his shots" festival on TNT. Okay, maybe not.
Anything is less boring than watching a "sport" made to be played not watched on TV...even watching Rose & Rondo turn the ball over a combined 304 times in the 1st quarter. They look AWFUL.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Curry starting. Good.
This is marginally less boring than the "Tiger Woods is out of it so he went off early enough that we can show every one of his shots" festival on TNT. Okay, maybe not.
Anything is less boring than watching a "sport" made to be played not watched on TV...even watching Rose & Rondo turn the ball over a combined 304 times in the 1st quarter. They look AWFUL.
Rose was awful. Billups and Curry should be the backcourt.
Golf is better suited for TV than almost anything. It's the perfect TV sport when Tiger Woods is not playing.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Curry starting. Good.
This is marginally less boring than the "Tiger Woods is out of it so he went off early enough that we can show every one of his shots" festival on TNT. Okay, maybe not.
Anything is less boring than watching a "sport" made to be played not watched on TV...even watching Rose & Rondo turn the ball over a combined 304 times in the 1st quarter. They look AWFUL.
Rose was awful. Billups and Curry should be the backcourt.
Golf is better suited for TV than almost anything. It's the perfect TV sport when Tiger Woods is not playing.
Perhaps my being under 40 skews my opinion, but I literally have no inclination to ever watch golf on TV, nor do I understand the fascination with it. But to each his own I suppose.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Curry starting. Good.
This is marginally less boring than the "Tiger Woods is out of it so he went off early enough that we can show every one of his shots" festival on TNT. Okay, maybe not.
Anything is less boring than watching a "sport" made to be played not watched on TV...even watching Rose & Rondo turn the ball over a combined 304 times in the 1st quarter. They look AWFUL.
Rose was awful. Billups and Curry should be the backcourt.
Golf is better suited for TV than almost anything. It's the perfect TV sport when Tiger Woods is not playing.
Perhaps my being under 40 skews my opinion, but I literally have no inclination to ever watch golf on TV, nor do I understand the fascination with it. But to each his own I suppose.
I am under 40, but am old enough to remember when the NBA resembled basketball. This USA team is horrible. And yet they still win this thing easy.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Curry starting. Good.
This is marginally less boring than the "Tiger Woods is out of it so he went off early enough that we can show every one of his shots" festival on TNT. Okay, maybe not.
Anything is less boring than watching a "sport" made to be played not watched on TV...even watching Rose & Rondo turn the ball over a combined 304 times in the 1st quarter. They look AWFUL.
Rose was awful. Billups and Curry should be the backcourt.
Golf is better suited for TV than almost anything. It's the perfect TV sport when Tiger Woods is not playing.
Perhaps my being under 40 skews my opinion, but I literally have no inclination to ever watch golf on TV, nor do I understand the fascination with it. But to each his own I suppose.
I am under 40, but am old enough to remember when the NBA resembled basketball. This USA team is horrible. And yet they still win this thing easy.
I wouldn't go as far as to call them horrible, but it's not a particularly well constructed team. And I think you're really selling some of the competition short. There's some teams that are going to cause MAJOR problems for them in this thing. I honestly don't think they're going to win it right now. And today's performance is strengthening that opinion.
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