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31southst {l Wrote}:As much fun as it is to point out a few examples where TW is wrong, as a general matter, I think his point is a valid one. Of course nothing's absolute and there's still time but that doesn't mean we're in a good position.

Obviously the highest rated recruits do...but how often are they correct? I understand it but don't necessarily agree with it. The four guys left we are looking at are Severe, Hicks, Kelly, and Reynolds. Severe has legit offers, Hicks once had offers from Arizona and Indiana, Kelly plays on the #1 team in the country, and Reynolds is on postgrad year. It's not like we are plucking a recruit away from Umass or BU

I don't know about this last part. My knowledge of bball recruiting is basically limited to this thread but are these guys generally well-regarded? Severe clearly is. Does Hicks still have legit offers, because I thought we're competing with FIU and WKU (this is a legit question, I'm not being sarcastic)? Have we even offered Reynolds/who else has? Aren't Kelly's other offers SHU and Utah? I grant these are power conference schools (well SHU who knows) but they're not exactly bball factories.

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31southst {l Wrote}:As much fun as it is to point out a few examples where TW is wrong, as a general matter, I think his point is a valid one. Of course nothing's absolute and there's still time but that doesn't mean we're in a good position.

Wouldn't argue with any of that...

for the record neither would I, if Teddy hadn't said it was pretty much over. They clearly have an immediate need that they didn't have before the first signing day. That is not the normal progression of recruiting.

My point was more I dislike people pointing to one random example (e.g., Dudley) as a way to supposedly disprove something that is largely true (BC generally signs its better recruits early). It's similar to how I get annoyed when people point to Jamie Silva or Doug Flutie as absolute proof that football recruit rankings don't matter.

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Iggle {l Wrote}:Never said that there wasn't time to get it done.

fair enough.

Good players usually sign by the first LOI day last November. Regular period ends in about a month. It's pretty much over and we still have Owens, who I like, and no players at the two positions of need.

They've identified decent enough targets. Question is can they land em

I am sure that we can all identify a handful of guys that could make an impact if we could land them. Fact is that under normal circumstances, BC would have its class locked up by now, Jared Dudley getting a schollie because Dan Coleman decided to stay home notwithstanding.

And BC needed a big desperately even if Clifford were healthy. His injury is no excuse for not landing one earlier. Besides, he'll be a junior when the new guy would be a frosh.

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Iggle {l Wrote}:Never said that there wasn't time to get it done.

fair enough.

Good players usually sign by the first LOI day last November. Regular period ends in about a month. It's pretty much over and we still have Owens, who I like, and no players at the two positions of need.

They've identified decent enough targets. Question is can they land em

I am sure that we can all identify a handful of guys that could make an impact if we could land them. Fact is that under normal circumstances, BC would have its class locked up by now, Jared Dudley getting a schollie because Dan Coleman decided to stay home notwithstanding.

And BC needed a big desperately even if Clifford were healthy. His injury is no excuse for not landing one earlier. Besides, he'll be a junior when the new guy would be a frosh.

Yes, yes everything should be taken in a vacuum or its an excuse.

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RT @Corey_Rivals513: 2014 Warren LaBeae (OH) forward Peyton Aldridge has been offered by Boston College.

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Alex Kline ‏@TheRecruitScoop
RT @Corey_Rivals513: 2014 Warren LaBeae (OH) forward Peyton Aldridge has been offered by Boston College.

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Iggle {l Wrote}:Never said that there wasn't time to get it done.

fair enough.

Good players usually sign by the first LOI day last November. Regular period ends in about a month. It's pretty much over and we still have Owens, who I like, and no players at the two positions of need.

They've identified decent enough targets. Question is can they land em

I am sure that we can all identify a handful of guys that could make an impact if we could land them. Fact is that under normal circumstances, BC would have its class locked up by now, Jared Dudley getting a schollie because Dan Coleman decided to stay home notwithstanding.

And BC needed a big desperately even if Clifford were healthy. His injury is no excuse for not landing one earlier. Besides, he'll be a junior when the new guy would be a frosh.

Yes, yes everything should be taken in a vacuum or its an excuse.

I' m no hoops weirdo is I probably shouldn't comment but Teddy is absolutely right. Donahue should have been recruiting a big regardless of Clifford's status It appears that he knew Caudill wasn't going to add value any time soon and as Teddy points out a 4 or 5 is a freshman with Clifford, Anderson and Caudill juniors. Did you want to wait another year so when there's only one big as a sophomore after the aforementioned players graduated you'd have a built in"youth and inexperience at the big man" position is killing Donahue so let give him 3 more years to work it out? Just asking.

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Iggle {l Wrote}:Never said that there wasn't time to get it done.

fair enough.

Good players usually sign by the first LOI day last November. Regular period ends in about a month. It's pretty much over and we still have Owens, who I like, and no players at the two positions of need.

They've identified decent enough targets. Question is can they land em

I am sure that we can all identify a handful of guys that could make an impact if we could land them. Fact is that under normal circumstances, BC would have its class locked up by now, Jared Dudley getting a schollie because Dan Coleman decided to stay home notwithstanding.

And BC needed a big desperately even if Clifford were healthy. His injury is no excuse for not landing one earlier. Besides, he'll be a junior when the new guy would be a frosh.

Yes, yes everything should be taken in a vacuum or its an excuse.

I' m no hoops weirdo is I probably shouldn't comment but Teddy is absolutely right. Donahue should have been recruiting a big regardless of Clifford's status It appears that he knew Caudill wasn't going to add value any time soon and as Teddy points out a 4 or 5 is a freshman with Clifford, Anderson and Caudill juniors. Did you want to wait another year so when there's only one big as a sophomore after the aforementioned players graduated you'd have a built in"youth and inexperience at the big man" position is killing Donahue so let give him 3 more years to work it out? Just asking.

Honestly, I'm getting a little tired of constantly arguing things I don't really agree with out of spite for the posters originally making them, and certainly more so when posters I don't find obnoxious jump in, but what the fuck why not, my point was not that Donahue shouldn't have already recruited a big although I address that at the end, it was as follows, in the context of why the circumstances of Boston College Basketball are currently different than most recruiting years and the motivation for the coaching staff AND the potential for playing time for the late signing player are higher thus making it more likely:

1) we had limited total scholarships in 2013 and I have read repeatedly that there are better 2014 big man candidates than 2013 candidates;
2) up to right around the early signing day we had a sophomore center who had played 26 minutes a game as a freshman and a power forward who led the team as a freshman in pts and rebounds;
3) at that moment the need for a big was not staggeringly more glaring than the need for swing guys, essentially the roster needs everything but the scholarship glut makes it complicated;
4) then Clifford's injury was exposed;
5) now it is post early signing day and there is an increased need for a big man by the coach AND increased playing time potential for a player.

Thus the situation is atypical because of the timing of the injury.

I have no problem with starting some sophomores and freshman, so in response to your very separate point, I don't think a lineup of say Senior Hanlan, Senior Rahon, Junior Owens, Sophomore _____ and Freshman ________ would merit any kind of youth and inexperience excuse. Seems a little different than Freshman Hanlan, Freshman Rahon, Sophomore Jackson, Sophomore Anderson, Sophomore Odio.

Also, I know it sounds correct that a team should have multiple starting quality centers, but how many times did your husband have "ACC" quality centers lined up behind his starters? I seem to remember a certain December, 2012 Uka Agbai injury that kind of messed up a certain best BC player ever's senior season.

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Iggle {l Wrote}:Never said that there wasn't time to get it done.

fair enough.

Good players usually sign by the first LOI day last November. Regular period ends in about a month. It's pretty much over and we still have Owens, who I like, and no players at the two positions of need.

They've identified decent enough targets. Question is can they land em

I am sure that we can all identify a handful of guys that could make an impact if we could land them. Fact is that under normal circumstances, BC would have its class locked up by now, Jared Dudley getting a schollie because Dan Coleman decided to stay home notwithstanding.

And BC needed a big desperately even if Clifford were healthy. His injury is no excuse for not landing one earlier. Besides, he'll be a junior when the new guy would be a frosh.

Yes, yes everything should be taken in a vacuum or its an excuse.

I' m no hoops weirdo is I probably shouldn't comment but Teddy is absolutely right. Donahue should have been recruiting a big regardless of Clifford's status It appears that he knew Caudill wasn't going to add value any time soon and as Teddy points out a 4 or 5 is a freshman with Clifford, Anderson and Caudill juniors. Did you want to wait another year so when there's only one big as a sophomore after the aforementioned players graduated you'd have a built in"youth and inexperience at the big man" position is killing Donahue so let give him 3 more years to work it out? Just asking.

Honestly, I'm getting a little tired of constantly arguing things I don't really agree with out of spite for the posters originally making them, and certainly more so when posters I don't find obnoxious jump in, but what the fuck why not, my point was not that Donahue shouldn't have already recruited a big although I address that at the end, it was as follows, in the context of why the circumstances of Boston College Basketball are currently different than most recruiting years and the motivation for the coaching staff AND the potential for playing time for the late signing player are higher thus making it more likely:

1) we had limited total scholarships in 2013 and I have read repeatedly that there are better 2014 big man candidates than 2013 candidates;
2) up to right around the early signing day we had a sophomore center who had played 26 minutes a game as a freshman and a power forward who led the team as a freshman in pts and rebounds;
3) at that moment the need for a big was not staggeringly more glaring than the need for swing guys, essentially the roster needs everything but the scholarship glut makes it complicated;
4) then Clifford's injury was exposed;
5) now it is post early signing day and there is an increased need for a big man by the coach AND increased playing time potential for a player.

Thus the situation is atypical because of the timing of the injury.

I have no problem with starting some sophomores and freshman, so in response to your very separate point, I don't think a lineup of say Senior Hanlan, Senior Rahon, Junior Owens, Sophomore _____ and Freshman ________ would merit any kind of youth and inexperience excuse. Seems a little different than Freshman Hanlan, Freshman Rahon, Sophomore Jackson, Sophomore Anderson, Sophomore Odio.

Also, I know it sounds correct that a team should have multiple starting quality centers, but how many times did your husband have "ACC" quality centers lined up behind his starters? I seem to remember a certain December, 2012 Uka Agbai injury that kind of messed up a certain best BC player ever's senior season.

Nate Doornekamp and Kirsten Zoellner were sophomores the year Agbai got hurt. So BC had 2 backup centers that year, one of whom was useful and the other who later proved to be so after a transfer.

Otherwise, your point is right on.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Adding Doornekamp to this year's team would have made a huge difference, even at his sophomore stats. Anderson could go back to the position where he overmatches instead of is overmatched.

And Doornekamp actually approximated interior defense.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Adding Doornekamp to this year's team would have made a huge difference, even at his sophomore stats. Anderson could go back to the position where he overmatches instead of is overmatched.

And Doornekamp actually approximated interior defense.

we could be at 13 wins instead of 12.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Adding Doornekamp to this year's team would have made a huge difference, even at his sophomore stats. Anderson could go back to the position where he overmatches instead of is overmatched.

And Doornekamp actually approximated interior defense.

we could be at 13 wins instead of 12.

They should be at 15 or 16 as currently constituted.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Adding Doornekamp to this year's team would have made a huge difference, even at his sophomore stats. Anderson could go back to the position where he overmatches instead of is overmatched.

And Doornekamp actually approximated interior defense.

we could be at 13 wins instead of 12.

They should be at 15 or 16 as currently constituted.

Right, bad coaching.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Adding Doornekamp to this year's team would have made a huge difference, even at his sophomore stats. Anderson could go back to the position where he overmatches instead of is overmatched.

And Doornekamp actually approximated interior defense.

we could be at 13 wins instead of 12.

They should be at 15 or 16 as currently constituted.

Right, bad coaching.

Partially. Also shitty late game execution in games they should win.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Adding Doornekamp to this year's team would have made a huge difference, even at his sophomore stats. Anderson could go back to the position where he overmatches instead of is overmatched.

And Doornekamp actually approximated interior defense.

we could be at 13 wins instead of 12.

They should be at 15 or 16 as currently constituted.

Right, bad coaching.

Partially. Also shitty late game execution in games they should win.

Right, which is due to bad coaching or recruiting or something.

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eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Adding Doornekamp to this year's team would have made a huge difference, even at his sophomore stats. Anderson could go back to the position where he overmatches instead of is overmatched.

And Doornekamp actually approximated interior defense.

we could be at 13 wins instead of 12.

They should be at 15 or 16 as currently constituted.

Right, bad coaching.

Partially. Also shitty late game execution in games they should win.

Right, which is due to bad coaching or recruiting or something.

Bad playing. You attribute that to what you will or whatever best fits whatever implied argument you are trying to make, assuming one exists beyond "I disagree"

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:is it correct that we haven't actually offered Reynolds yet? There is a Temple article on TOS today that says he has offers from the Bonnies, South Carolina and Charlotte (he is "not sure" if he has a Temple offer). On twitter I see BC has "interest" in Reynolds.

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eagle9903 {l Wrote}:is it correct that we haven't actually offered Reynolds yet? There is a Temple article on TOS today that says he has offers from the Bonnies, South Carolina and Charlotte (he is "not sure" if he has a Temple offer). On twitter I see BC has "interest" in Reynolds.

They haven't offered b/c they don't know if he's gonna have the grades to get in. They are still recruiting him hard though.

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eagle9903 {l Wrote}:is it correct that we haven't actually offered Reynolds yet? There is a Temple article on TOS today that says he has offers from the Bonnies, South Carolina and Charlotte (he is "not sure" if he has a Temple offer). On twitter I see BC has "interest" in Reynolds.

They haven't offered b/c they don't know if he's gonna have the grades to get in. They are still recruiting him hard though.

its grades not priority? is this the same for the other major programs?

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BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:is it correct that we haven't actually offered Reynolds yet? There is a Temple article on TOS today that says he has offers from the Bonnies, South Carolina and Charlotte (he is "not sure" if he has a Temple offer). On twitter I see BC has "interest" in Reynolds.

They haven't offered b/c they don't know if he's gonna have the grades to get in. They are still recruiting him hard though.

its grades not priority? is this the same for the other major programs?

That was my guess, based off what I know. Eric Hoffses says his grades are poor. Could mean that BC is waiting on Rashard Kelly.

This week's news and notes from the Northeast are once again headlined by Christ the King (N.Y.) guard Jon Severe. He's picked up new suitors on virtually a weekly basis since the first of the year, and he added another offer from Pittsburgh this week.

Severe was initially scheduled to take his fifth and final official visit to Alabama this week, but that has since been canceled with Alabama apparently no longer an option. Unofficial trips to West Virginia and Pittsburgh appear next on tap, while local suitors St. John's and Rutgers also remain in the mix along with Boston College. Duquesne, George Washington and St. Bonaventure are all still heavily involved as well.

BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Jon Severe update:

This week's news and notes from the Northeast are once again headlined by Christ the King (N.Y.) guard Jon Severe. He's picked up new suitors on virtually a weekly basis since the first of the year, and he added another offer from Pittsburgh this week.

Severe was initially scheduled to take his fifth and final official visit to Alabama this week, but that has since been canceled with Alabama apparently no longer an option. Unofficial trips to West Virginia and Pittsburgh appear next on tap, while local suitors St. John's and Rutgers also remain in the mix along with Boston College. Duquesne, George Washington and St. Bonaventure are all still heavily involved as well.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Severe is not coming to BC - an eepstein post I would agree with.

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BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Jon Severe update:

This week's news and notes from the Northeast are once again headlined by Christ the King (N.Y.) guard Jon Severe. He's picked up new suitors on virtually a weekly basis since the first of the year, and he added another offer from Pittsburgh this week.

Severe was initially scheduled to take his fifth and final official visit to Alabama this week, but that has since been canceled with Alabama apparently no longer an option. Unofficial trips to West Virginia and Pittsburgh appear next on tap, while local suitors St. John's and Rutgers also remain in the mix along with Boston College. Duquesne, George Washington and St. Bonaventure are all still heavily involved as well.

A difficult-looking situation - Huggins (West Virginia), Dixon (Pittsburgh), and Lavin (St. John's) all have first-rate credentials as recruiters. As I said before, Donahue & Co. will have to raise their recruiting game a long way to get Severe.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Severe is not coming to BC - an eepstein post I would agree with.

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BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Jon Severe update:

This week's news and notes from the Northeast are once again headlined by Christ the King (N.Y.) guard Jon Severe. He's picked up new suitors on virtually a weekly basis since the first of the year, and he added another offer from Pittsburgh this week.

Severe was initially scheduled to take his fifth and final official visit to Alabama this week, but that has since been canceled with Alabama apparently no longer an option. Unofficial trips to West Virginia and Pittsburgh appear next on tap, while local suitors St. John's and Rutgers also remain in the mix along with Boston College. Duquesne, George Washington and St. Bonaventure are all still heavily involved as well.

A difficult-looking situation - Huggins (West Virginia), Dixon (Pittsburgh), and Lavin (St. John's) all have first-rate credentials as recruiters. As I said before, Donahue & Co. will have to raise their recruiting game a long way to get Severe.

Given the three above's history in NY (and frankly our miserable history, why don't we recruit NYC more?), I'm not holding my breath