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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:49 am

RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Jake O'Brien to visit BC this week per Hoff

Beat me to it. Also visiting PC and Temple. Tweet said PC, UVA, Temple are favorites w/BC in mix.


He'd be great insurance at PF. Reminds me exactly of Trapani actually, maybe a little more athletic.



I'm wondering whether the presence of Van Nest might be a minus for BC with O'Brien. There's only so much playing time to go around, and Anderson is going to use a lot of minutes.


O'Brien would be the back-up 4 and Van Nest would be the back-up 5. Van Nest is 6'11".
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:04 am

RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
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Shaddix wrote:Jake O'Brien to visit BC this week per Hoff

Beat me to it. Also visiting PC and Temple. Tweet said PC, UVA, Temple are favorites w/BC in mix.


He'd be great insurance at PF. Reminds me exactly of Trapani actually, maybe a little more athletic.



I'm wondering whether the presence of Van Nest might be a minus for BC with O'Brien. There's only so much playing time to go around, and Anderson is going to use a lot of minutes.


Anderson and Clifford played far too much last year anyways.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:33 am

Shaddix wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Jake O'Brien to visit BC this week per Hoff

Beat me to it. Also visiting PC and Temple. Tweet said PC, UVA, Temple are favorites w/BC in mix.


He'd be great insurance at PF. Reminds me exactly of Trapani actually, maybe a little more athletic.



I'm wondering whether the presence of Van Nest might be a minus for BC with O'Brien. There's only so much playing time to go around, and Anderson is going to use a lot of minutes.


Anderson and Clifford played far too much last year anyways.


Anderson did not play enough last season.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:57 am

Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:31 am

eepstein0 wrote:Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.


I said last season. He averaged 29 mins a game last season. Not enough.

35 is fine.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:57 am

twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.


I said last season. He averaged 29 mins a game last season. Not enough.

35 is fine.


You most certainly don't want your only depth up top playing over 30 min a game, that leaves no time for the bench to develop. One of those two go down for an extended period of time and your team is screwed.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:00 am

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eepstein0 wrote:Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.


I said last season. He averaged 29 mins a game last season. Not enough.

35 is fine.


You most certainly don't want your only depth up top playing over 30 min a game, that leaves no time for the bench to develop. One of those two go down for an extended period of time and your team is screwed.


I most certainly don't want my best player by far on the bench for more than 8 minutes a game. Especially when there is little to nothing to "develop" behind him. Develop the guards, play Anderson and Clifford.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:03 am

twballgame9 wrote:
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twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.


I said last season. He averaged 29 mins a game last season. Not enough.

35 is fine.


You most certainly don't want your only depth up top playing over 30 min a game, that leaves no time for the bench to develop. One of those two go down for an extended period of time and your team is screwed.


I most certainly don't want my best player by far on the bench for more than 8 minutes a game. Especially when there is little to nothing to "develop" behind him. Develop the guards, play Anderson and Clifford.


Caudill needs to develop, he's our only young front court player. Unless Ryan Anderson becomes iron man, then he will miss time at some point, and who exactly does BC have behind him
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:07 am

Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.


I said last season. He averaged 29 mins a game last season. Not enough.

35 is fine.


You most certainly don't want your only depth up top playing over 30 min a game, that leaves no time for the bench to develop. One of those two go down for an extended period of time and your team is screwed.


I most certainly don't want my best player by far on the bench for more than 8 minutes a game. Especially when there is little to nothing to "develop" behind him. Develop the guards, play Anderson and Clifford.


Caudill needs to develop, he's our only young front court player. Unless Ryan Anderson becomes iron man, then he will miss time at some point, and who exactly does BC have behind him


Absolutely nothing, which is why you play him 35 minutes a game like you did at the end of last season. Players have played 35/game at BC for a very long time, it's not that big of a deal.

Caudill will be getting minutes backing up Clifford. If Anderson sits, it will likely be Van Nest or a very short lineup that gives him a quick breather. Caudill is what he is, he should get 10 a game, and if he develops, he should do it in the off season and practice, not in the second half against Duke.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:24 am

twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.


I said last season. He averaged 29 mins a game last season. Not enough.

35 is fine.


You most certainly don't want your only depth up top playing over 30 min a game, that leaves no time for the bench to develop. One of those two go down for an extended period of time and your team is screwed.


I most certainly don't want my best player by far on the bench for more than 8 minutes a game. Especially when there is little to nothing to "develop" behind him. Develop the guards, play Anderson and Clifford.


Caudill needs to develop, he's our only young front court player. Unless Ryan Anderson becomes iron man, then he will miss time at some point, and who exactly does BC have behind him


Absolutely nothing, which is why you play him 35 minutes a game like you did at the end of last season. Players have played 35/game at BC for a very long time, it's not that big of a deal.

Caudill will be getting minutes backing up Clifford. If Anderson sits, it will likely be Van Nest or a very short lineup that gives him a quick breather. Caudill is what he is, he should get 10 a game, and if he develops, he should do it in the off season and practice, not in the second half against Duke.


BC also hasn't made it past the sweet sixteen, Donahue doesn't build his teams on one superstar
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:24 am

For the record, Dudley averaged 36.4 for his career, 38 for his last season. Smith, 34 for the career, 36 for his highest season. The highest season averages for Reggie and He Who Will Not Be Named were 34 and 32.

I am too lazy to look up non-NBA guys like Marshall, Rice and Hinnant, who all averaged a ton of minutes.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:28 am

Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:Towards the end of the season, Anderson was playing 35 minutes a game. I'm not sure you want him playing any more than that.

Clifford was also around 30 minutes a game assuming no foul trouble. That's about perfect for those two.

The problem was Moton/Cahill averaged 30 minutes a game combined. They contributed 5 points in those minutes. Replace that with Hanlan/Rahon and we're onto something.


I said last season. He averaged 29 mins a game last season. Not enough.

35 is fine.


You most certainly don't want your only depth up top playing over 30 min a game, that leaves no time for the bench to develop. One of those two go down for an extended period of time and your team is screwed.


I most certainly don't want my best player by far on the bench for more than 8 minutes a game. Especially when there is little to nothing to "develop" behind him. Develop the guards, play Anderson and Clifford.


Caudill needs to develop, he's our only young front court player. Unless Ryan Anderson becomes iron man, then he will miss time at some point, and who exactly does BC have behind him


Absolutely nothing, which is why you play him 35 minutes a game like you did at the end of last season. Players have played 35/game at BC for a very long time, it's not that big of a deal.

Caudill will be getting minutes backing up Clifford. If Anderson sits, it will likely be Van Nest or a very short lineup that gives him a quick breather. Caudill is what he is, he should get 10 a game, and if he develops, he should do it in the off season and practice, not in the second half against Duke.


BC also hasn't made it past the sweet sixteen, Donahue doesn't build his teams on one superstar


Non sequitur of the night award! I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say BC doesn't make the Sweet 16 no matter how many mins Anderson plays next season.

And, he does with this team if he wants to win.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:30 am

FYI, Anthony Davis averaged 32 mins per game on a loaded team that made it past the sweet sixteen. So did Teague.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:33 am

twballgame9 wrote:FYI, Anthony Davis averaged 32 mins per game on a loaded team that made it past the sweet sixteen. So did Teague.


I just don't believe that it is best for a team like BC in Donahue's system. He brings in guys who can shoot, no need to have your best player go head to head with the Tyler Zeller's for 35min when you can let your other guys develop and keep your stars fresh. BC will never be able to recruit like UNC, Duke, Kentucky....so if you play their game, then you will lose.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:38 am

Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:FYI, Anthony Davis averaged 32 mins per game on a loaded team that made it past the sweet sixteen. So did Teague.


I just don't believe that it is best for a team like BC in Donahue's system. He brings in guys who can shoot, no need to have your best player go head to head with the Tyler Zeller's for 35min when you can let your other guys develop and keep your stars fresh. BC will never be able to recruit like UNC, Duke, Kentucky....so if you play their game, then you will lose.



BC has one player who is already ready to battle in the ACC. He has to play, a lot. The others show promise and can split up the minutes developing, but Anderson must be on the court to maximize the potential of the team. Anything else is putting development over success, which gets tired very quickly.

My hope is that the substitution patterns from the end of the season become the norm, with Hanlan and Rahon worked in at guard. There, I have no problem with 5 guys splitting the 120 minutes at 1-2-3 evenly because BC has depth and needs fresh guards to run (which is the way scoring will go up). But Clifford and Anderson need to be out there 30-35 a night or you are treating another season like its practice.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby ATLeagle on Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:48 pm

Did Al recruit O'Brien coming out of high school?
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCHerbert on Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:25 pm

ATLeagle wrote:Did Al recruit O'Brien coming out of high school?


No.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:06 pm

Nate Taphorn picked Northwestern, I'm sure you are happy about that eepstein.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:18 pm

BC offered 2015 Chandler White.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:36 pm

@terrence_payne

Samuel Dingba (Salisbury/Westchester Hawks) holds interest from Harvard, Yale, BC, BU, NC State, Xavier, and St. Bonaveture #hofnit

Rutgers and BC have also been in attendance for the Team Scan 16u final against the Rhode Island Hawks ‪#hofnit
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:45 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:@GTuckerF150 Boston College has offered 2015 guard Sedrick Barefield of the Compton Magic (CA)


Don't hold your breath on this one. Barefield, a 6'1" combo guard, is one of the elite players in 2015; he's already hearing from Arizona, UCLA, and UConn (as well as Harvard and Stanford -- he's a good student too).
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:21 am

Did any of you guys actually see that Dingba updated his recruitment status?
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:22 am

BCEaglesFan wrote:Nate Taphorn picked Northwestern, I'm sure you are happy about that eepstein.


I am actually. Thanks for thinking of me.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby joesim on Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:41 am

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-spor ... dance-july


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With a program-changing recruit like ESPN 60 power forward Noah Vonleh (Haverhill, Mass./New Hampton) in the Eagles' backyard, it should come as no surprise that head coach Steve Donohue was sitting courtside at the adidas Invitational in Indianapolis, Ind. Donohue was also checking out Class of 2015 guard Jalen Adams, who is from Melrose, Mass. Eagles assistants were also seen following around center Chinoso Obokoh (Rochester, N.Y./Bishop Kearney) at the Hoop Group Elite Camp in Reading, Pa.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:49 am

joesim wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8170777/coaches-attendance-july


Boston College Eagles
With a program-changing recruit like ESPN 60 power forward Noah Vonleh (Haverhill, Mass./New Hampton) in the Eagles' backyard, it should come as no surprise that head coach Steve Donohue was sitting courtside at the adidas Invitational in Indianapolis, Ind. Donohue was also checking out Class of 2015 guard Jalen Adams, who is from Melrose, Mass. Eagles assistants were also seen following around center Chinoso Obokoh (Rochester, N.Y./Bishop Kearney) at the Hoop Group Elite Camp in Reading, Pa.


The offer list from Obokoh is all over the place from Villanova to Oregon to West Virginia.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Ahzeem on Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:18 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
joesim wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8170777/coaches-attendance-july


Boston College Eagles
With a program-changing recruit like ESPN 60 power forward Noah Vonleh (Haverhill, Mass./New Hampton) in the Eagles' backyard, it should come as no surprise that head coach Steve Donohue was sitting courtside at the adidas Invitational in Indianapolis, Ind. Donohue was also checking out Class of 2015 guard Jalen Adams, who is from Melrose, Mass. Eagles assistants were also seen following around center Chinoso Obokoh (Rochester, N.Y./Bishop Kearney) at the Hoop Group Elite Camp in Reading, Pa.


The offer list from Obokoh is all over the place from Villanova to Oregon to West Virginia.

He also has Jake O’brien from Boston U, coming in this week. He is home grown even went to BC high he has some decent stats. BC interruption has him at 6’9” 220 with 13.8/6.4 avg. If “The Don” can entice him with a trip to Spain and some guaranteed decent minutes he would help. :screamyeagle
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:04 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
joesim wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8170777/coaches-attendance-july


Boston College Eagles
With a program-changing recruit like ESPN 60 power forward Noah Vonleh (Haverhill, Mass./New Hampton) in the Eagles' backyard, it should come as no surprise that head coach Steve Donohue was sitting courtside at the adidas Invitational in Indianapolis, Ind. Donohue was also checking out Class of 2015 guard Jalen Adams, who is from Melrose, Mass. Eagles assistants were also seen following around center Chinoso Obokoh (Rochester, N.Y./Bishop Kearney) at the Hoop Group Elite Camp in Reading, Pa.


The offer list from Obokoh is all over the place from Villanova to Oregon to West Virginia.


Obokoh (6'9", 220) does indeed have a remarkably diverse offer list, with coast-to-coast high-major offers. He also appears to have a significant upside, since he came to the U.S. from Nigeria in 2010, and has only been playing basketball for six years. BC is getting in really late on this kid, so he may be an unlikely get, although he looks like he'd be a good one.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:35 pm

RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
joesim wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8170777/coaches-attendance-july


Boston College Eagles
With a program-changing recruit like ESPN 60 power forward Noah Vonleh (Haverhill, Mass./New Hampton) in the Eagles' backyard, it should come as no surprise that head coach Steve Donohue was sitting courtside at the adidas Invitational in Indianapolis, Ind. Donohue was also checking out Class of 2015 guard Jalen Adams, who is from Melrose, Mass. Eagles assistants were also seen following around center Chinoso Obokoh (Rochester, N.Y./Bishop Kearney) at the Hoop Group Elite Camp in Reading, Pa.


The offer list from Obokoh is all over the place from Villanova to Oregon to West Virginia.


Obokoh (6'9", 220) does indeed have a remarkably diverse offer list, with coast-to-coast high-major offers. He also appears to have a significant upside, since he came to the U.S. from Nigeria in 2010, and has only been playing basketball for six years. BC is getting in really late on this kid, so he may be an unlikely get, although he looks like he'd be a good one.

Good shot blocker. Both him and Dingba would fit well, and both are coming into their own as players. Also, I think the fact that Dingba listed NC State and Xavier along w/BC means he's beginning to blow up. I think Harvard, Yale, BC and BU are recruiting him by far the most though
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:40 pm

BC offered Payton Dastrup.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:50 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:BC offered Payton Dastrup.


Best of luck on that one. From Arizona and Sean Miller has already offered.
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