Commits/Recruiting

[HJS]

I find your coloring inconsistent. Caudill could easily produce as much as Oates, Doorney, or Ross. Heckman could easily become a bold and produce more than Watson and Haynes. Haynes bold? Southern bold? Agbai blue? Sidney blue? Paris took a while to become a bold. I dunno - this just shows even more complications with this argument as a whole.

Caudill and Heckmann absolutely could develop, but they have a ways to go. Everyone you compare them to, with the exception of Oates (who along with Haynes were two most questionable inclusions), showed more during their freshman seasons.

Agbai and Sidney were absolute stars during their time at BC. Agbai was slowed his final year because he broke his neck. And Sidney couldn't finish due to his disciplinary issues. But, that shouldn't detract from their time at BC... just like Reggie shouldn't be hindered because he didn't return for his final season.

I addressed Haynes... you guys are probably right. I just always thought he was a hell of a lot better than what he was given the chance to do.

[HJS]

Didn't Skinner recruit that Coleman kid from Minnesota who they let out of his commitment in August and hence Duds? I think Coleman went on to have a pretty good career for Minnesota. My hubby was not that bad of a recruiter.

Donahue showing some decent signs but still too early.

Yep Dan Coleman. Skinner also identified some kids early that absolutely blew up (and we just missed landing them). Dirk Nowitski, Andre Iguodala and Brandon Roy immediately spring to mind.

[BC '00]

Pina was a walk-on and lived across the hall from me freshman year for about 15 minutes, before moving in with some other hoops walk-ons.

I find it funny that you embolded Oates, Haynes, and Sanders.

I'm pretty sure Pina quickly earned a schollie after arriving on campus as he immediately took control of the PG duties. I believe he held that role until his senior year when he had to stop playing due to a heart condition (if memory serves).

Sanders was a 3-year starter and (much to my chagrin) Oates saw 20+ minutes for 3 of his seasons. Haynes is the one that is questionable. I guess I bolded him more on what I felt he could do and less on how he was actually used. He played solid minutes as a back-up on those great Craig Smith teams. And, in my opinion, should've seen more time as he was an excellent defender. But, I certainly see why you'd question his inclusion. He probably doesn't fit with the rest of those bolded names.

Pina got a schollie his second year, I believe, and started at PG for 2-3 years...I think you're right. Really nice guy and a decent handler/distributor, but not a great option to run PG at a Big East school.

Meant to say Southern, not Sanders. Haynes should only be bolded if Willie Deane is as well. Oates is our own personal JB Reafsnyder. I guess it might have cleared it up if you defined what the bold/colors meant...if bold just means "started for a while" then Oates deserves to be included. If bold means "not disgraceful to start in the Big East/ACC" then he doesn't.

[HJS]

Meant to say Southern, not Sanders.

I never understood people's impatience with Southern The kid was a solid starter for us during times while we were still competitive in the ACC. He wasn't the star that many had predicted. So, I can understand the disappointment in him not living up to it. But, absolutely was a solid player that helped us win when he had talented offensive players (Rice and Jax) around him.

BTW... I agree that Oates is the most questionable inclusion next to Haynes. That said, I don't think either has an effect one the general analysis.

Bringing up Willie Deane... that was Skinner's Brady Heslip. Effing stupid move telling him to hit the pavement.

[eagle9903]

In comparing to Donahue, Don put himself a bit behind the 8-ball by not getting a single contributor from his interim class. However, he more than recovered with his class of Anderson, Clifford, LoJack, Daniels, Heckmann, Caudill and Odio. Depending on how special Hanlan is or isn't will determine if Don is keeping pace with Skinner's recruiting.

I don't disagree with anything in this post. I still don't think the interim class thing is telling of how Donahue is as a recruiter, but I don't disagree it would have helped to get a contributor from that class.

[BC '00]

Meant to say Southern, not Sanders.

I never understood people's impatience with Southern The kid was a solid starter for us during times while we were still competitive in the ACC. He wasn't the star that many had predicted. So, I can understand the disappointment in him not living up to it. But, absolutely was a solid player that helped us win when he had talented offensive players (Rice and Jax) around him.

BTW... I agree that Oates is the most questionable inclusion next to Haynes. That said, I don't think either has an effect one the general analysis.

Your bringing up Watt... that was Skinner's Brady Heslip. Effing stupid move telling him to hit the pavement.

Southern was somewhat talented, but I really think he just didn't care. I couldn't stand watching him chew his cud on the free throw line.

[bignick33]

Meant to say Southern, not Sanders.

I never understood people's impatience with Southern The kid was a solid starter for us during times while we were still competitive in the ACC. He wasn't the star that many had predicted. So, I can understand the disappointment in him not living up to it. But, absolutely was a solid player that helped us win when he had talented offensive players (Rice and Jax) around him.

BTW... I agree that Oates is the most questionable inclusion next to Haynes. That said, I don't think either has an effect one the general analysis.

Your bringing up Watt... that was Skinner's Brady Heslip. Effing stupid move telling him to hit the pavement.

Southern was somewhat talented, but I really think he just didn't care. I couldn't stand watching him chew his cud on the free throw line.

I don't think this is true at all. I just don't think he had the necessary eye-hand coordination.

[HJS]

In comparing to Donahue, Don put himself a bit behind the 8-ball by not getting a single contributor from his interim class. However, he more than recovered with his class of Anderson, Clifford, LoJack, Daniels, Heckmann, Caudill and Odio. Depending on how special Hanlan is or isn't will determine if Don is keeping pace with Skinner's recruiting.

I don't disagree with anything in this post. I still don't think the interim class thing is telling of how Donahue is as a recruiter, but I don't disagree it would have helped to get a contributor from that class.

Here's the thing... like Jags when he was fired, Skinner was battered for his lack of recruiting skillz. In both Spaz and Don's case, there was talk about them being considerably BETTER than their predecessor when it came to recruiting. Spaz (not surprisingly) is an abject failure. But, Don's 2nd class really showed considerable promise. His 3rd class disappoints a bit (as you would really like to have seen a star in a position of need (3/4) emerge from the class).

The most troubling part for me is that the Anderson class had Joe Jones (a known strong recruiter) leading the charge. If you go back through this thread, you will see that BC was supposedly in on a number of Top 100 prospects all through the Spring. But, when Joe Jones left, we saw a lot of those kids drop up during the Summer. As I said at the time and still believe today, not replacing Joe Jones was a very questionable move that could ultimately sink Don's tenure.

[BC '00]

In comparing to Donahue, Don put himself a bit behind the 8-ball by not getting a single contributor from his interim class. However, he more than recovered with his class of Anderson, Clifford, LoJack, Daniels, Heckmann, Caudill and Odio. Depending on how special Hanlan is or isn't will determine if Don is keeping pace with Skinner's recruiting.

I don't disagree with anything in this post. I still don't think the interim class thing is telling of how Donahue is as a recruiter, but I don't disagree it would have helped to get a contributor from that class.

Here's the thing... like Jags when he was fired, Skinner was battered for his lack of recruiting skillz. In both Spaz and Don's case, there was talk about them being considerably BETTER than their predecessor when it came to recruiting. Spaz (not surprisingly) is an abject failure. But, Don's 2nd class really showed considerable promise. His 3rd class disappoints a bit (as you would really like to have seen a star in a position of need (3/4) emerge from the class).

The most troubling part for me is that the Anderson class had Joe Jones (a known strong recruiter) leading the charge. If you go back through this thread, you will see that BC was supposedly in on a number of Top 100 prospects all through the Spring. But, when Joe Jones left, we saw a lot of those kids drop up during the Summer. As I said at the time and still believe today, not replacing Joe Jones was a very questionable move that could ultimately sink Don's tenure.

I got most of my post-Don-hire buzz from this place, but I think that most people thought he would be a better X's-and-O's coach but questioned his ability to recruit to an ACC level. And Al's ability to find "diamonds in the rough"** was not questioned, but his willingness to get off the Barc-Al-Lounger and hit to road for recuits was.

**please file "diamond in the rough" in the same shit can as "perfect storm" with the rest of the intellectually lazy overused bullshit expressions.

[eagle9903]

In comparing to Donahue, Don put himself a bit behind the 8-ball by not getting a single contributor from his interim class. However, he more than recovered with his class of Anderson, Clifford, LoJack, Daniels, Heckmann, Caudill and Odio. Depending on how special Hanlan is or isn't will determine if Don is keeping pace with Skinner's recruiting.

I don't disagree with anything in this post. I still don't think the interim class thing is telling of how Donahue is as a recruiter, but I don't disagree it would have helped to get a contributor from that class.

Here's the thing... like Jags when he was fired, Skinner was battered for his lack of recruiting skillz. In both Spaz and Don's case, there was talk about them being considerably BETTER than their predecessor when it came to recruiting. Spaz (not surprisingly) is an abject failure. But, Don's 2nd class really showed considerable promise. His 3rd class disappoints a bit (as you would really like to have seen a star in a position of need (3/4) emerge from the class).

The most troubling part for me is that the Anderson class had Joe Jones (a known strong recruiter) leading the charge. If you go back through this thread, you will see that BC was supposedly in on a number of Top 100 prospects all through the Spring. But, when Joe Jones left, we saw a lot of those kids drop up during the Summer. As I said at the time and still believe today, not replacing Joe Jones was a very questionable move that could ultimately sink Don's tenure.

I don't think anyone but OJ and the mysterious stranger had any problem with Al's recruiting prior to 2009. So I don't think its a bad comparison (good years Skinner vs. Donahue). I agree(again) it was better to have Jones than not and it could be a bad move to replace him with no name assistants. It is also not conclusive evidence of Donahue not caring about recruiting or whatever the initial thing I was disagreeing with was or that his recruiting will be unsuccessful.

[pick6pedro]

I find your coloring inconsistent. Caudill could easily produce as much as Oates, Doorney, or Ross. Heckman could easily become a bold and produce more than Watson and Haynes. Haynes bold? Southern bold? Agbai blue? Sidney blue? Paris took a while to become a bold. I dunno - this just shows even more complications with this argument as a whole.

Caudill and Heckmann absolutely could develop, but they have a ways to go. Everyone you compare them to, with the exception of Oates (who along with Haynes were two most questionable inclusions), showed more during their freshman seasons.

Agbai and Sidney were absolute stars during their time at BC. Agbai was slowed his final year because he broke his neck. And Sidney couldn't finish due to his disciplinary issues. But, that shouldn't detract from their time at BC... just like Reggie shouldn't be hindered because he didn't return for his final season.

I addressed Haynes... you guys are probably right. I just always thought he was a hell of a lot better than what he was given the chance to do.

If Sidney and Agbai were stars, then so was Marshall. And Sanders may even be by those standards. All I'm saying is when you can can't even agree on a point of comparison or a standard...

[eagleman99]

Pina was a walk-on and lived across the hall from me freshman year for about 15 minutes, before moving in with some other hoops walk-ons.

I find it funny that you embolded Oates, Haynes, and Sanders.

I'm pretty sure Pina quickly earned a schollie after arriving on campus as he immediately took control of the PG duties. I believe he held that role until his senior year when he had to stop playing due to a heart condition (if memory serves).

Sanders was a 3-year starter and (much to my chagrin) Oates saw 20+ minutes for 3 of his seasons. Haynes is the one that is questionable. I guess I bolded him more on what I felt he could do and less on how he was actually used. He played solid minutes as a back-up on those great Craig Smith teams. And, in my opinion, should've seen more time as he was an excellent defender. But, I certainly see why you'd question his inclusion. He probably doesn't fit with the rest of those bolded names.

Pina did not immediately take control of PG duties. He was behind Woodward his freshman year, and was actually 3rd string behind Javier Rodriguez as well (the third scholarship member of Skinner's first class). Rodriguez left after that year, and Pina at best split duties with Willie Deane, Clinton Sims and Harley at times his sophomore year. He sat behind Bell his junior year. Pina eventually transferred for his senior year (to Portland I think?)

[ATLeagle]

No one knew that Troy Bell was going to be as good as he was. Certainly no one on EA. People worried about other schools coming in late, but he didn't even get a Big Ten offer.

At this time in Al's tenure EA was probably more concerned about Al than we are about Donahue.

I think Donahue is a great Xs & Os guy but he's going to need a Bell/Smith/Dudley program changer to emerge from this incoming class or the next one.

[BC923]

For me, the interim class is off the table. His first real class can only be partially judged because Anderson is averaging dudley-esque numbers so far, but that don't mean much because it might not stick. Next year we will be able to determine much better how good teh Anderson class was. Also there can be no judgement yet on the ability of this class- we can look at offers but we won't know whether they have ability until they get on campus.

I can't really grade Donahue as a recruiter yet-it's too soon to tell for me.

[twballgame9]

I find your coloring inconsistent. Caudill could easily produce as much as Oates, Doorney, or Ross. Heckman could easily become a bold and produce more than Watson and Haynes. Haynes bold? Southern bold? Agbai blue? Sidney blue? Paris took a while to become a bold. I dunno - this just shows even more complications with this argument as a whole.

Caudill and Heckmann absolutely could develop, but they have a ways to go. Everyone you compare them to, with the exception of Oates (who along with Haynes were two most questionable inclusions), showed more during their freshman seasons.

Agbai and Sidney were absolute stars during their time at BC. Agbai was slowed his final year because he broke his neck. And Sidney couldn't finish due to his disciplinary issues. But, that shouldn't detract from their time at BC... just like Reggie shouldn't be hindered because he didn't return for his final season.

I addressed Haynes... you guys are probably right. I just always thought he was a hell of a lot better than what he was given the chance to do.

If Sidney and Agbai were stars, then so was Marshall. And Sanders may even be by those standards. All I'm saying is when you can can't even agree on a point of comparison or a standard...

I don't disagree on Agbai. On Sydney, you are wrong. He was a flat out star, especially his sophomore season.

[BCEaglesFan]

By the way, Kansas State doesn't have a schollie to offer Orris.

[HJS]

By the way, Kansas State doesn't have a schollie to offer Orris.

I really hope they land Orris. Don & Co. identified this kid early on and made him their priority. They clearly think he can be successful... not to mention that he has been recruited by a number of high majors including his previous commitment to Illinois. He also would be a major upgrade to Moton (whose roster spot is now open). Finally, Don's system is flexible enough to go 3-guards and is also one that likes go 9-10 players deep.

All that said, Orris's senior year numbers (which I just saw) were quite pedestrian.

[BCEaglesFan]

By the way, Kansas State doesn't have a schollie to offer Orris.

I really hope they land Orris. Don & Co. identified this kid early on and made him their priority. They clearly think he can be successful... not to mention that he has been recruited by a number of high majors including his previous commitment to Illinois. He also would be a major upgrade to Moton (whose roster spot is now open). Finally, Don's system is flexible enough to go 3-guards and is also one that likes go 9-10 players deep.

All that said, Orris's senior year numbers (which I just saw) were quite pedestrian.

I've heard many mixed reviews on him. Some say he is a pest on defense and is kinda like Aaron Craft at Ohio State and will be a great player in college. Some say he's a mid-major prospect.

However, a recent rivals article made it sound like Pitt might be the favorite.

[eepstein0]

By the way, Kansas State doesn't have a schollie to offer Orris.

I really hope they land Orris. Don & Co. identified this kid early on and made him their priority. They clearly think he can be successful... not to mention that he has been recruited by a number of high majors including his previous commitment to Illinois. He also would be a major upgrade to Moton (whose roster spot is now open). Finally, Don's system is flexible enough to go 3-guards and is also one that likes go 9-10 players deep.

All that said, Orris's senior year numbers (which I just saw) were quite pedestrian.

I've heard many mixed reviews on him. Some say he is a pest on defense and is kinda like Aaron Craft at Ohio State and will be a great player in college. Some say he's a mid-major prospect.

However, a recent rivals article made it sound like Pitt might be the favorite.

I've also seen the Aaron Craft comparison on Orris. I think he'd be a terrific addition to this class.

[eagle9903]

[eepstein0]

Orris is white you moron.

[eagle9903]

Orris is white you moron.

Well then, shouldn't you redo you're analysis.

[RedBaron67]

By the way, Kansas State doesn't have a schollie to offer Orris.

I really hope they land Orris. Don & Co. identified this kid early on and made him their priority. They clearly think he can be successful... not to mention that he has been recruited by a number of high majors including his previous commitment to Illinois. He also would be a major upgrade to Moton (whose roster spot is now open). Finally, Don's system is flexible enough to go 3-guards and is also one that likes go 9-10 players deep.

All that said, Orris's senior year numbers (which I just saw) were quite pedestrian.

I've heard many mixed reviews on him. Some say he is a pest on defense and is kinda like Aaron Craft at Ohio State and will be a great player in college. Some say he's a mid-major prospect.

However, a recent rivals article made it sound like Pitt might be the favorite.

Pitt already has a top-100 PG coming in, James Robinson from DeMatha (ESPN #43, Rivals #59, Scout #83); that would certainly appear to make it less desirable to Orris, so we shouldn't lose hope just yet. If Orris and his family want a quick recruiting solution and K-State is out of the running, BC should have as much chance as anyone, being already known to them.

[bignick33]

Orris is white you moron.

Well then, shouldn't you redo you're analysis.

Orris was compared to Craft. What more do you want?

[eagle9903]

No one knew that Troy Bell was going to be as good as he was. Certainly no one on EA. People worried about other schools coming in late, but he didn't even get a Big Ten offer.

At this time in Al's tenure EA was probably more concerned about Al than we are about Donahue.

I think Donahue is a great Xs & Os guy but he's going to need a Bell/Smith/Dudley program changer to emerge from this incoming class or the next one.

Posters on EA, who despite loving giving Spaz a chance in his fourth miserable season hate giving Donahue a chance going into his third, are pretending that Craig Smith was an on paper big time get from a recruiting services standpoint because he is listed as a 4 star in the rivals database. Then one guy goes so far as to say Reggie Jackson was the highest rated player in Colorado since Chauncey Billups. While I have no idea what that means exactly, Reggie's best offer other than BC was Colorado(that's 2008 colorado for those handicapped with concepts such as time) and his other offers were from places like Tulsa and the Air Force Academy. Revisionist history stinks.

[Shaddix]

No one knew that Troy Bell was going to be as good as he was. Certainly no one on EA. People worried about other schools coming in late, but he didn't even get a Big Ten offer.

At this time in Al's tenure EA was probably more concerned about Al than we are about Donahue.

I think Donahue is a great Xs & Os guy but he's going to need a Bell/Smith/Dudley program changer to emerge from this incoming class or the next one.

Posters on EA, who despite loving giving Spaz a chance in his fourth miserable season hate giving Donahue a chance going into his third, are pretending that Craig Smith was an on paper big time get from a recruiting services standpoint because he is listed as a 4 star in the rivals database. Then one guy goes so far as to say Reggie Jackson was the highest rated player in Colorado since Chauncey Billups. While I have no idea what that means exactly, Reggie's best offer other than BC was Colorado(that's 2008 colorado for those handicapped with concepts such as time) and his other offers were from places like Tulsa and the Air Force Academy. Revisionist history stinks.

Craig Smith was a 2 star- borderline 3 star recruit, no higher.

[eagle9903]

No one knew that Troy Bell was going to be as good as he was. Certainly no one on EA. People worried about other schools coming in late, but he didn't even get a Big Ten offer.

At this time in Al's tenure EA was probably more concerned about Al than we are about Donahue.

I think Donahue is a great Xs & Os guy but he's going to need a Bell/Smith/Dudley program changer to emerge from this incoming class or the next one.

Posters on EA, who despite loving giving Spaz a chance in his fourth miserable season hate giving Donahue a chance going into his third, are pretending that Craig Smith was an on paper big time get from a recruiting services standpoint because he is listed as a 4 star in the rivals database. Then one guy goes so far as to say Reggie Jackson was the highest rated player in Colorado since Chauncey Billups. While I have no idea what that means exactly, Reggie's best offer other than BC was Colorado(that's 2008 colorado for those handicapped with concepts such as time) and his other offers were from places like Tulsa and the Air Force Academy. Revisionist history stinks.

Craig Smith was a 2 star- borderline 3 star recruit, no higher.

Well not exactly. He was overweight, on the short side and had some academic issues coming out of high school, if I remember correctly and was probably a "2 star" type prospect on paper. Al and staff identified his potential when he was still short, fat and not doing good enough in school. Then Smith really got it together in his PG year, lost weight, got his school stuff in order, and after which he got a lot of interest and Rivals gave him a 4th star but he stuck with Al.

[twballgame9]

No one knew that Troy Bell was going to be as good as he was. Certainly no one on EA. People worried about other schools coming in late, but he didn't even get a Big Ten offer.

At this time in Al's tenure EA was probably more concerned about Al than we are about Donahue.

I think Donahue is a great Xs & Os guy but he's going to need a Bell/Smith/Dudley program changer to emerge from this incoming class or the next one.

Posters on EA, who despite loving giving Spaz a chance in his fourth miserable season hate giving Donahue a chance going into his third, are pretending that Craig Smith was an on paper big time get from a recruiting services standpoint because he is listed as a 4 star in the rivals database. Then one guy goes so far as to say Reggie Jackson was the highest rated player in Colorado since Chauncey Billups. While I have no idea what that means exactly, Reggie's best offer other than BC was Colorado(that's 2008 colorado for those handicapped with concepts such as time) and his other offers were from places like Tulsa and the Air Force Academy. Revisionist history stinks.

Craig Smith was a 2 star- borderline 3 star recruit, no higher.

Well not exactly. He was overweight, on the short side and had some academic issues coming out of high school, if I remember correctly and was probably a "2 star" type prospect on paper. Al and staff identified his potential when he was still short, fat and not doing good enough in school. Then Smith really got it together in his PG year, lost weight, got his school stuff in order, and after which he got a lot of interest and Rivals gave him a 4th star but he stuck with Al.

This is true. Plus he played that year with Jarrett Jack.

[bignick33]

No one knew that Troy Bell was going to be as good as he was. Certainly no one on EA. People worried about other schools coming in late, but he didn't even get a Big Ten offer.

At this time in Al's tenure EA was probably more concerned about Al than we are about Donahue.

I think Donahue is a great Xs & Os guy but he's going to need a Bell/Smith/Dudley program changer to emerge from this incoming class or the next one.

Posters on EA, who despite loving giving Spaz a chance in his fourth miserable season hate giving Donahue a chance going into his third, are pretending that Craig Smith was an on paper big time get from a recruiting services standpoint because he is listed as a 4 star in the rivals database. Then one guy goes so far as to say Reggie Jackson was the highest rated player in Colorado since Chauncey Billups. While I have no idea what that means exactly, Reggie's best offer other than BC was Colorado(that's 2008 colorado for those handicapped with concepts such as time) and his other offers were from places like Tulsa and the Air Force Academy. Revisionist history stinks.

I've been on EA for a long time, so I'll clarify. Believe it or not, there was actually a lot of hype about both.

For Jackson, it was because a regular poster on that board, who is from Colorado (I forget whom, tkden, maybe), did indeed make the comment that his senior season was regarded locally as the best since Billups'. I distinctly remember the comparison in the winter/spring of that year, and apparently there was a lot of chatter among coaches in Colorado about Jacksons' development and future prospects.

In regards to Smith, bearing in mind that it was a lot long ago, and I was still in high school, so I didn't follow things as closely. That said, I am sure that he did come with some fanfare. Most of the hype occurred during/after his PG year at Worcester Academy. IIRC, other schools came after him at that point because he'd lost significant weight, and in addition to that a lot of EA posters (billyg comes to mind) were able to see him in person. Smith signed his second LOI with BC out of loyalty, although the 4* ranking was in line with how he was regarded at that time, even if it wasn't in line with how he was regarded out of high school.

I can't speak for Bell. But, in the cases of Jackson and Smith, most of the hype occurred well after they signed their LOIs. This falls in line with the diamond-in-the-rough narrative, and it doesn't really contradict ATL's implicit point above. That said, without the benefit of context, the comments that you quote above are not in and of themselves inaccurate.

[HJS]

Posters on EA, who despite loving giving Spaz a chance in his fourth miserable season hate giving Donahue a chance going into his third, are pretending that Craig Smith was an on paper big time get from a recruiting services standpoint because he is listed as a 4 star in the rivals database.

I thought that EA was generally a hell of a lot more patient with Don than those here. Most of EA hated Skinner because (a) he was a Carl and (b) he replaced their beloved Obie.

Nonetheless... Craig Smith is an example everyone can use because it shows BOTH that Skinner could only land diamonds-in-the-rough and Skinner was able to beat the big boys for a top ranked recruit. Craig Smith signed with BC out of Fairfax High School in LA. No one else recruited him (partly because he was considerd overweight). BC was far and away his best offer. However, he didn't qualify academically and BC placed him at Worcester Academy. While at WA, Smith slimmed down and began to dominate. At that point, everyone flooded in trying to steal him (I believe UConn was just one of many). Ultimately, Smith decided to stay true to the school that took a chance on him when no one else was interested. He stayed with BC... and the rest is history.