Commits/Recruiting

[HJS]

TOS is reporting that ... Gill, from what Hoff knows, scrimmaged and probably didn't get an offer as of now.

I'm guessing the Don wants him as walk-on.

Really??? That's surprising.

You literally took every name that any poster has mentioned in this thread. Nice work. To nitpick you have ... Tony Gill in the not offered category with potential walkon Joe Bramanti.

I don't know if Tony Gill has an offer. If Gill opts for some school on the West Coast, you will be the first to cry about Gill being the first group and ask for PROOF he had a commitable offer. The fact that you dismiss many players that staff met with and some that even visited BC just shows how clownshoes your subjectiveness is on this issue.

Ok. So does that make him a loss now?

Precisely... that's why I never chategorized him as such.

[eagle9903]

TOS is reporting that ... Gill, from what Hoff knows, scrimmaged and probably didn't get an offer as of now.

I'm guessing the Don wants him as walk-on.

Really??? That's surprising.

You literally took every name that any poster has mentioned in this thread. Nice work. To nitpick you have ... Tony Gill in the not offered category with potential walkon Joe Bramanti.

I don't know if Tony Gill has an offer. If Gill opts for some school on the West Coast, you will be the first to cry about Gill being the first group and ask for PROOF he had a commitable offer. The fact that you dismiss many players that staff met with and some that even visited BC just shows how clownshoes your subjectiveness is on this issue.

Ok. So does that make him a loss now?

Precisely... that's why I never chategorized him as such.

Well then since your objectivity is impeccable and you've designed a workable system of determining who is and who is not a recruiting loss, do you have any interesting in showing how this year had more losses by any significant margin which would show a problem than a historical BC basketball class?

[HJS]

Well then since your objectivity is impeccable and you've designed a workable system of determining who is and who is not a recruiting loss, do you have any interesting in showing how this year had more losses by any significant margin which would show a problem than a historical BC basketball class?

No.
Impossible to do it for previous years... though this board may go back far enough that I can do it for the 2011 class.

My biggest concern for Don when it comes to recruiting is the same I had for Skinner. When they lost their prime recruiting assistants, they did a very questionable job replacing them. I think most agree that Skinner never recovered from losing Cooley and Coen and did himself in by back-filling those positions with guys like Bonzi Colson. Same with Don who lost a known recruiting commodity in Joe Jones and opted to bump everyone up instead of replacing him.

[eepstein0]

Well then since your objectivity is impeccable and you've designed a workable system of determining who is and who is not a recruiting loss, do you have any interesting in showing how this year had more losses by any significant margin which would show a problem than a historical BC basketball class?

No.
Impossible to do it for previous years... though this board may go back far enough that I can do it for the 2011 class.

My biggest concern for Don when it comes to recruiting is the same I had for Skinner. When they lost their prime recruiting assistants, they did a very questionable job replacing them. I think most agree that Skinner never recovered from losing Cooley and Coen and did himself in by back-filling those positions with guys like Bonzi Colson. Same with Don who lost a known recruiting commodity in Joe Jones and opted to bump everyone up instead of replacing him.

I agree w/this analysis 100%.

[eagle9903]

Well then since your objectivity is impeccable and you've designed a workable system of determining who is and who is not a recruiting loss, do you have any interesting in showing how this year had more losses by any significant margin which would show a problem than a historical BC basketball class?

No.
Impossible to do it for previous years... though this board may go back far enough that I can do it for the 2011 class.

My biggest concern for Don when it comes to recruiting is the same I had for Skinner. When they lost their prime recruiting assistants, they did a very questionable job replacing them. I think most agree that Skinner never recovered from losing Cooley and Coen and did himself in by back-filling those positions with guys like Bonzi Colson. Same with Don who lost a known recruiting commodity in Joe Jones and opted to bump everyone up instead of replacing him.

I agree w/this analysis 100%.

No you don't. This is inconsistent with your position.

[eagle9903]

Well then since your objectivity is impeccable and you've designed a workable system of determining who is and who is not a recruiting loss, do you have any interesting in showing how this year had more losses by any significant margin which would show a problem than a historical BC basketball class?

No.
Impossible to do it for previous years... though this board may go back far enough that I can do it for the 2011 class.

My biggest concern for Don when it comes to recruiting is the same I had for Skinner. When they lost their prime recruiting assistants, they did a very questionable job replacing them. I think most agree that Skinner never recovered from losing Cooley and Coen and did himself in by back-filling those positions with guys like Bonzi Colson. Same with Don who lost a known recruiting commodity in Joe Jones and opted to bump everyone up instead of replacing him.

I agree that it is a concern on its face. I also agree that I have not seen results which would assuage the concern. Our difference is I don't believe there have been results which support the concern either.

[bcmurph]

2013 ISAIAH WATKINS - 6'8 Citing numerous offers...

I have Offers from Indiana, Villanova, Missouri, Baylor, Texas A&M, Cincinnati, Boston College, Virginia, Miami, Temple, St. Joe’s, Charlotte, Rhode island, Providence, St. Bonaventure, Elon, Santa Clara, Boise St., New Mexico State, Iowa State, Rice, Princeton, Harvard, UPenn, Wagner, Cornell, Niagara, SMU, Hofstra, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Stanford, Oregon State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Arkansas, to name most,” said Watkins.

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0416/business-as-usual-for-isaiah-watkins-on-spring-aau-trail/

[claver2010]

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

[Shaddix]

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

Also from Toronto, Canada

[bcmurph]

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

I guess he also plays with Ennis...

[RedBaron67]

2013 ISAIAH WATKINS - 6'8 Citing numerous offers...

I have Offers from Indiana, Villanova, Missouri, Baylor, Texas A&M, Cincinnati, Boston College, Virginia, Miami, Temple, St. Joe’s, Charlotte, Rhode island, Providence, St. Bonaventure, Elon, Santa Clara, Boise St., New Mexico State, Iowa State, Rice, Princeton, Harvard, UPenn, Wagner, Cornell, Niagara, SMU, Hofstra, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Stanford, Oregon State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Arkansas, to name most,” said Watkins.

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0416/business-as-usual-for-isaiah-watkins-on-spring-aau-trail/

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

Also from Toronto, Canada

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

I guess he also plays with Ennis...

If Donahue & Co. can find a way to avoid getting lost in the stampede for this kid (40+ offers and counting), I'll retract at least half my complaints about recruiting (but I don't think I'll have to).

[eepstein0]

2013 ISAIAH WATKINS - 6'8 Citing numerous offers...

I have Offers from Indiana, Villanova, Missouri, Baylor, Texas A&M, Cincinnati, Boston College, Virginia, Miami, Temple, St. Joe’s, Charlotte, Rhode island, Providence, St. Bonaventure, Elon, Santa Clara, Boise St., New Mexico State, Iowa State, Rice, Princeton, Harvard, UPenn, Wagner, Cornell, Niagara, SMU, Hofstra, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Stanford, Oregon State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Arkansas, to name most,” said Watkins.

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0416/business-as-usual-for-isaiah-watkins-on-spring-aau-trail/

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

Also from Toronto, Canada

A 6'8" kid from a Jersey prep school? Seems like a natural fit.

I guess he also plays with Ennis...

If Donahue & Co. can find a way to avoid getting lost in the stampede for this kid (40+ offers and counting), I'll retract at least half my complaints about recruiting (but I don't think I'll have to).

Good luck landing him.

[gaelfu]

Looks like we have no shot at Uthoff. Apparently Bo Ryan is preventing him from transferring to any of the ACC schools in addition to any of the other Big 10 schools and Marquette. Odd move, and too bad, because I think he could have really helped if we did actually have a legit chance at landing him.

http://www.metrosportsreport.com/index. ... ZI.twitter

[RedBaron67]

Looks like we have no shot at Uthoff. Apparently Bo Ryan is preventing him from transferring to any of the ACC schools in addition to any of the other Big 10 schools and Marquette. Odd move, and too bad, because I think he could have really helped if we did actually have a legit chance at landing him.

http://www.metrosportsreport.com/index. ... ZI.twitter

I find it pretty surprising that Ryan is acting like a jerk in public the way he is; behaving so vindictively will probably hurt him more than Uthoff. I can see competing recruiters using this against Wisconsin; they may not come right out and say, "Would you want to play for a nasty, vindictive bleep like that?", but I'm sure they'll get the idea across.

[DuchesneEast]

Bo Ryan seems like an ass, let the kid go to Iowa State if he wants.

[HJS]

I've never cared too much about this Uthoff kid because this thing seems so weird. Was Iowa's Mr. Basketball really redshirted last year???? If so, he probably sucks. Also, he will lose a year of eligibility when he transfers (as opposed to using the transfer year as a redshirt season).

[RedBaron67]

I've never cared too much about this Uthoff kid because this thing seems so weird. Was Iowa's Mr. Basketball really redshirted last year???? If so, he probably sucks. Also, he will lose a year of eligibility when he transfers (as opposed to using the transfer year as a redshirt season).

Uthoff definitely does not suck. Rivals lists 7 other high majors besides Wisconsin who offered him, ranging from Arizona State to Indiana to Virginia (who inspired Ryan to ban the ACC). Also, when Uthoff started practice last fall Ryan was quoted as saying Uthoff was even better than he thought when he recruited him. Ryan probably redshirted him to balance eligibility on his roster; there were 2 freshman bigs on this year's roster, one of them a redshirt freshman who'd been highly rated (and a BC recruiting target). Uthoff will lose a year because of the 5-year limit on completing eligibility, but he'd still have 3 years left; effectively, a member of the 2012 recruiting class with Hanlan and Rahon. The fact that Uthoff's (or any other prospect's) situation is weird is no reason for knee-jerk rejection; each case should be judged individually (we certainly can't blame Uthoff for his HS coach being a sexual molester), and messy past recruiting can even be used to advantage by offering BC as a haven of stability.

[twballgame9]

I've never cared too much about this Uthoff kid because this thing seems so weird. Was Iowa's Mr. Basketball really redshirted last year???? If so, he probably sucks. Also, he will lose a year of eligibility when he transfers (as opposed to using the transfer year as a redshirt season).

Uthoff definitely does not suck. Rivals lists 7 other high majors besides Wisconsin who offered him, ranging from Arizona State to Indiana to Virginia (who inspired Ryan to ban the ACC). Also, when Uthoff started practice last fall Ryan was quoted as saying Uthoff was even better than he thought when he recruited him. Ryan probably redshirted him to balance eligibility on his roster; there were 2 freshman bigs on this year's roster, one of them a redshirt freshman who'd been highly rated (and a BC recruiting target). Uthoff will lose a year because of the 5-year limit on completing eligibility, but he'd still have 3 years left; effectively, a member of the 2012 recruiting class with Hanlan and Rahon. The fact that Uthoff's (or any other prospect's) situation is weird is no reason for knee-jerk rejection; each case should be judged individually (we certainly can't blame Uthoff for his HS coach being a sexual molester), and messy past recruiting can even be used to advantage by offering BC as a haven of stability.

Meh, if he could play, he would have. The only guy that knows whether he sucks or not decided he could not help his team this season. A team that could have maybe used one more impact player to put them over the top and make them a final four contender.

[HJS]

I've never cared too much about this Uthoff kid because this thing seems so weird. Was Iowa's Mr. Basketball really redshirted last year???? If so, he probably sucks. Also, he will lose a year of eligibility when he transfers (as opposed to using the transfer year as a redshirt season).

Uthoff definitely does not suck. Rivals lists 7 other high majors besides Wisconsin who offered him, ranging from Arizona State to Indiana to Virginia (who inspired Ryan to ban the ACC). Also, when Uthoff started practice last fall Ryan was quoted as saying Uthoff was even better than he thought when he recruited him. Ryan probably redshirted him to balance eligibility on his roster; there were 2 freshman bigs on this year's roster, one of them a redshirt freshman who'd been highly rated (and a BC recruiting target). Uthoff will lose a year because of the 5-year limit on completing eligibility, but he'd still have 3 years left; effectively, a member of the 2012 recruiting class with Hanlan and Rahon. The fact that Uthoff's (or any other prospect's) situation is weird is no reason for knee-jerk rejection; each case should be judged individually (we certainly can't blame Uthoff for his HS coach being a sexual molester), and messy past recruiting can even be used to advantage by offering BC as a haven of stability.

Meh, if he could play, he would have. The only guy that knows whether he sucks or not decided he could not help his team this season. A team that could have maybe used one more impact player to put them over the top and make them a final four contender.

Precisely...
I cannot honestly think of an impact BB player who was voluntarily redshirted (as opposed to grades, transfer or injury).

[RedBaron67]

I've never cared too much about this Uthoff kid because this thing seems so weird. Was Iowa's Mr. Basketball really redshirted last year???? If so, he probably sucks. Also, he will lose a year of eligibility when he transfers (as opposed to using the transfer year as a redshirt season).

Uthoff definitely does not suck. Rivals lists 7 other high majors besides Wisconsin who offered him, ranging from Arizona State to Indiana to Virginia (who inspired Ryan to ban the ACC). Also, when Uthoff started practice last fall Ryan was quoted as saying Uthoff was even better than he thought when he recruited him. Ryan probably redshirted him to balance eligibility on his roster; there were 2 freshman bigs on this year's roster, one of them a redshirt freshman who'd been highly rated (and a BC recruiting target). Uthoff will lose a year because of the 5-year limit on completing eligibility, but he'd still have 3 years left; effectively, a member of the 2012 recruiting class with Hanlan and Rahon. The fact that Uthoff's (or any other prospect's) situation is weird is no reason for knee-jerk rejection; each case should be judged individually (we certainly can't blame Uthoff for his HS coach being a sexual molester), and messy past recruiting can even be used to advantage by offering BC as a haven of stability.

Meh, if he could play, he would have. The only guy that knows whether he sucks or not decided he could not help his team this season. A team that could have maybe used one more impact player to put them over the top and make them a final four contender.

I'll concede that Uthoff wasn't ready to be a major contributor this year, but the problem wasn't his skill set, it was his physical immaturity; he's skinny, like (but evidently better than) Clifford -- and haven't we heard over and over about how much better Clifford will be next year when he matures physically? All the scouting services rated Uthoff roughly the same as (or a little bit better than) Ryan Anderson, but Bo Ryan had the luxury of not being required to throw him in with the lions immediately. The clearest proof of Uthoff's ability is Ryan's behavior; would Ryan be making such a ugly and self-damaging public spectacle of himself if Uthoff were a stiff, rather than someone he'd counted on as a significant contributor in the future? Whoever gets Uthoff will have him on the court in 2013-14 (which Donahue points to as BC's breakthrough season) with two years of post-HS maturation, physically ready to play. Obviously, Uthoff isn't a superstar, but he's clearly too good for anyone at BC to turn up his nose at him. Unfortunately, we can't even get a shot at him because of Ryan's spitefulness and vindictiveness, but there's plenty of reason to wish we could.

[twballgame9]

I've never cared too much about this Uthoff kid because this thing seems so weird. Was Iowa's Mr. Basketball really redshirted last year???? If so, he probably sucks. Also, he will lose a year of eligibility when he transfers (as opposed to using the transfer year as a redshirt season).

Uthoff definitely does not suck. Rivals lists 7 other high majors besides Wisconsin who offered him, ranging from Arizona State to Indiana to Virginia (who inspired Ryan to ban the ACC). Also, when Uthoff started practice last fall Ryan was quoted as saying Uthoff was even better than he thought when he recruited him. Ryan probably redshirted him to balance eligibility on his roster; there were 2 freshman bigs on this year's roster, one of them a redshirt freshman who'd been highly rated (and a BC recruiting target). Uthoff will lose a year because of the 5-year limit on completing eligibility, but he'd still have 3 years left; effectively, a member of the 2012 recruiting class with Hanlan and Rahon. The fact that Uthoff's (or any other prospect's) situation is weird is no reason for knee-jerk rejection; each case should be judged individually (we certainly can't blame Uthoff for his HS coach being a sexual molester), and messy past recruiting can even be used to advantage by offering BC as a haven of stability.

Meh, if he could play, he would have. The only guy that knows whether he sucks or not decided he could not help his team this season. A team that could have maybe used one more impact player to put them over the top and make them a final four contender.

I'll concede that Uthoff wasn't ready to be a major contributor this year, but the problem wasn't his skill set, it was his physical immaturity; he's skinny, like (but evidently better than) Clifford -- and haven't we heard over and over about how much better Clifford will be next year when he matures physically? All the scouting services rated Uthoff roughly the same as (or a little bit better than) Ryan Anderson, but Bo Ryan had the luxury of not being required to throw him in with the lions immediately. The clearest proof of Uthoff's ability is Ryan's behavior; would Ryan be making such a ugly and self-damaging public spectacle of himself if Uthoff were a stiff, rather than someone he'd counted on as a significant contributor in the future? Whoever gets Uthoff will have him on the court in 2013-14 (which Donahue points to as BC's breakthrough season) with two years of post-HS maturation, physically ready to play. Obviously, Uthoff isn't a superstar, but he's clearly too good for anyone at BC to turn up his nose at him. Unfortunately, we can't even get a shot at him because of Ryan's spitefulness and vindictiveness, but there's plenty of reason to wish we could.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over this one, that's all I am saying.

[BCEaglesFan]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... -on-uthoff

What's more BS about this was that Uthoff was considering the entire ACC, and since BC originally offered him and recruited him,BC might have the advantage.

[ryfarls]

Mike and Mike on espnradio are ripping Bo Ryan to shreds over this utthoff thing. Bo is taking it very personally and is using the whole "if you played in college you'd know..." card to greeny. Nothing Bo Ryan is saying is justifying what he is doing to this kid at all.

[HJS]

This shows how truly stupid and self-centered coaches are. Multiple times a year a kid asks to transfer... and gets blocked by a vindictive coach... which then becomes a national story about the ills of college sports... and, after the coach has taken enough PR hits to almost sink his career, he acquiesces and lets the kid go wherever the heck he wants.

[eagle9903]

This shows how truly stupid and self-centered coaches are. Multiple times a year a kid asks to transfer... and gets blocked by a vindictive coach... which then becomes a national story about the ills of college sports... and, after the coach has taken enough PR hits to almost sink his career, he acquiesces and lets the kid go wherever the heck he wants.

or... everyone forgets about it in a month or two like the St. Joes kid (who never got released and didn't get to play at UAB this season, I think). But I think this one will have a little more staying power because he's a bigger recruit, its bigger programs etc.

[RedBaron67]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18652163/wisconsins-ryan-way-out-of-bounds-with-transfer-restrictions-on-uthoff

What's more BS about this was that Uthoff was considering the entire ACC, and since BC originally offered him and recruited him,BC might have the advantage.

Mike and Mike on espnradio are ripping Bo Ryan to shreds over this utthoff thing. Bo is taking it very personally and is using the whole "if you played in college you'd know..." card to greeny. Nothing Bo Ryan is saying is justifying what he is doing to this kid at all.

This shows how truly stupid and self-centered coaches are. Multiple times a year a kid asks to transfer... and gets blocked by a vindictive coach... which then becomes a national story about the ills of college sports... and, after the coach has taken enough PR hits to almost sink his career, he acquiesces and lets the kid go wherever the heck he wants.

It's almost incredible that Ryan would do this much damage to his own reputation just to vent his spite on Uthoff. How does he think this is going to play with future prospects? Banning the entire ACC seems even crazier because, as the article quoted above by BCEaglesFan makes clear, Uthoff wants to stay within driving distance of home so that his parents can see him play. Apparently BC never had a shot at Uthoff, but now Ryan seems to have made his own abusive behavior the main story; the NCAA needs to revise the rule to eliminate the ability of out-of-control coaches to embarrass the whole sport.

[HJS]

This shows how truly stupid and self-centered coaches are. Multiple times a year a kid asks to transfer... and gets blocked by a vindictive coach... which then becomes a national story about the ills of college sports... and, after the coach has taken enough PR hits to almost sink his career, he acquiesces and lets the kid go wherever the heck he wants.

or... everyone forgets about it in a month or two like the St. Joes kid (who never got released and didn't get to play at UAB this season, I think). But I think this one will have a little more staying power because he's a bigger recruit, its bigger programs etc.

I hope the kid picks a big name program... something like Mizzou. Would love to see this kid torment Bo Ryan worse than Brady Heslip has Don.

[eagle9903]

This shows how truly stupid and self-centered coaches are. Multiple times a year a kid asks to transfer... and gets blocked by a vindictive coach... which then becomes a national story about the ills of college sports... and, after the coach has taken enough PR hits to almost sink his career, he acquiesces and lets the kid go wherever the heck he wants.

or... everyone forgets about it in a month or two like the St. Joes kid (who never got released and didn't get to play at UAB this season, I think). But I think this one will have a little more staying power because he's a bigger recruit, its bigger programs etc.

I hope the kid picks a big name program... something like Mizzou. Would love to see this kid torment Bo Ryan worse than Brady Heslip has Don.

Ha! I'd also be fine with this. (Heslip jab acknowledged).

[RedBaron67]

Now the story is that someone at Wisconsin has recognized how much damage the Uthoff business was doing, so Ryan has backed down and Uthoff is free to transfer anywhere outside the Big Ten. I still don't think BC has any real shot at Uthoff, but the media uproar over his situation may significantly affect transfer recruiting in the future; the California legislature is already investigating the possibility of a state law completely banning restrictions on transfers.

[HJS]

This shows how truly stupid and self-centered coaches are. Multiple times a year a kid asks to transfer... and gets blocked by a vindictive coach... which then becomes a national story about the ills of college sports... and, after the coach has taken enough PR hits to almost sink his career, he acquiesces and lets the kid go wherever the heck he wants.

I am shocked... SHOCKED... that Bo Ryan has backed off his initial position.