Greatest NBA player ever?

[branchinator]

I think people are forgetting just how many white stiffs there were on teams in the 1980s. Guys like Jack Sikma would have their asses handed to them in today's game. I will say that the quality of play was much better in the 80s though. The mid-80s Celtics and Lakers teams are still the best teams of all-time.

[BCEagle74]

I think people are forgetting just how many white stiffs there were on teams in the 1980s. Guys like Jack Sikma would have their asses handed to them in today's game. I will say that the quality of play was much better in the 80s though. The mid-80s Celtics and Lakers teams are still the best teams of all-time.

Lot of white stiffs...wow...Sikma was not one of them though...

The best story ever was the wife of one of the worst white gaulks ever and he was offered a 6 year at that time huge contract, and his wife said, "After his agent called, I made sure he sat in a chair and did not do anything until the klutz signed before he tripped or fell on his clumsy ass and I drove him to the signing and held on to him!"

I think it was Jon Koncak. I am checking.

It was....My memory still has it....

Smart wife.

John Koncak
Known to many as simply John Contract, in 1989 Koncak was a nothing back up center when the Hawks (who were fearful that he might sign with Detroit) bit on his bluff and signed him to a ridiculous six year $13 million deal. I know it doesn’t seem like much in today’s terms, but this deal made Koncak a higher paid player than Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. This deal is what many critics believed open the flood gates for many sorry ass over-hyped players getting paid ridiculous long term guaranteed contracts (see: the rest of the stiffs on this list).

[BCEagle74]

The laziest cocksucker in sports history was Shawn Bradley.

A Mormon Mushbag who lied and went limp

First game versus Yao Ming in Dallas and I got into it with 3 Mormon Auditors here in Texas as I said he was the worst player, gutless, laziest, sissy bitch ever and they complained to the company about my attitude!!!!!, ---LOVABLE ME!!!---so I offered to bet them Yao eats him alive, and Shawn was playing well every 65th night.....

They would not bet me on point differential since these whack job perverted cult fucks can only ring door bells and rape underage girls but betting is against Joe Smith another NBA failure.

Yao Ming 30 Points
Shawnie Bitch 0 Points

They were the laughinstock of the company and wrote us up for everything and of course I was blamed.

I walked by the conference room mimicing Shawn waving mya rms and crying...

It was almost a Catholic Angry Ty Jihad.

We ignored them and fired that Manager.

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Marty Conlon
Marty Conlon makes this list not so much because he wasn’t a decent player, but because he had the ugliest looking free-throw form known to man. Let’s just put it this way: His free-throw form made Bill Cartwright’s seem like a thing of beauty. I’m probably still holding animosity toward him for deciding to seemingly only have good games against the Lakers. I remember coming to school early in the 94 season being disgraced by the fact that my Lakers had gotten their asses kicked by Conlon the night before. So I guess this is how I extract my revenge.


Paul Shirley
The Guys has pretty much given up pursuing a professional basketball career to be a full-time sports blogger. That’s all you need to know. When you look him up on Wikipedia, there’s more about his sports blogging that his actual basketball career. With the dearth of big men in the league, you know you have no game if you’re a 6’10 young big man that can’t stick with a team.

Joe Wolf
This guy gets put on the list for sporting a mullet up through the new millennium. Joe is one of the nicer guys on this list and seemingly wasn’t really overpaid. But there simply was no justification for that damn mullet. In the mid-nineties he played with Shaquille O’neal and the Orlando Magic and quickly became a fan favorite (As almost every sorry big white guy normally does). Every time he would score a bucket in Orlando they would play this ridiculous wolf howl sound effect. It would have been cool if wolf was actually intimidating, but obviously this wasn’t the case. Wolf played 11 seasons averaging 1.8 points and 3.3 rebounds per contest. With numbers like those, I’m surprised the Hawks or Sonics didn’t offer him some ridiculous 5 year, $50 million contract.

Greg Kite
The first rule of becoming an NBA GM is never to draft a 7 foot white guy from Brigham Young who has “potential”. GK was the worst player on the Celtics 84 and 86 championship teams. As McHale and Parish’s bucket boy Kite averaged a tremendous 2.5 points and 3.8 rebounds for his career.

John Koncak
Known to many as simply John Contract, in 1989 Koncak was a nothing back up center when the Hawks (who were fearful that he might sign with Detroit) bit on his bluff and signed him to a ridiculous six year $13 million deal. I know it doesn’t seem like much in today’s terms, but this deal made Koncak a higher paid player than Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. This deal is what many critics believed open the flood gates for many sorry ass over-hyped players getting paid ridiculous long term guaranteed contracts (see: the rest of the stiffs on this list).


Jim McIlvaine
The guy single-handedly ruined the career of Shawn Kemp. You see, after Shawn Kemp spent the entire summer of 96 posturing for a new contract, the Sonics ignored him and instead spent their money on another big white stiff named Jim McIlvaine. They gave him a five year $35 million contract based on “potential”. By signing McIlvaine to a higher salary than they were paying Kemp, they totally angered both Kemp and his teammate Gary Payton and caused a team that was on the verge of wining an NBA championship to implode. Kemp would start to hit the bottle and eventually force the Sonics to trade him for another soon to be alcoholic in Vin Baker. (I guess Seattle really is a depressing city.) McIlvaine would go on to be a complete bust (who would have thunk it?), averaging a tremendous 2.7 points and 3.1 rebounds during his illustrious (?) career.


Jack Haley
When I hear Jack Haley commentate for the FSN West during Laker games I have to laugh. How does this guy have any credibility? I mean he has to be one of the worst players to EVER play in the NBA. Is there that much lack of height in the NBA that big stiffs such as Haley stay in the league for almost 10 seasons? Haley probably played two to three extra seasons because he was friendly with Dennis Rodman and deemed as the one guy that could keep him under control. This distinction caused both the Bulls and the Spurs to keep Haley on their roster while Rodman was a member of their team. Not only was Haley terrible on the court, but now off the court he has become an even worse commentator. During the 2005 season, he was the idiot that guaranteed that the Lakers had completed a deal for Carlos Boozer when no one else close to the situation knew of any such pending transaction. Haley continued this rant for three straight days until the trade deadline came and passed with no transaction occurring. L.A. Times page two columnist TJ Simers used this opportunity to grind the hell out of Haley for about a week straight. The fact that he has a championship ring and a player like Charles Barkley doesn’t just makes me sick to my stomach. Haley was just a terrible player and today he’s an even worse commentator.


Travis Knight
Travis Knight made a name for himself as a Rookie with the Lakers during the 1997 Season. A lot of GMs fell in love with him for his ability to hit an open jump shot. With the Lakers he figured out that if you are on the court with Shaq and you are smart enough to cut to the rim, even a guy with a completely weak game can seem like he has some sort of game. Shaq would hook him up with tons of lay ups, and the announcers would always comment on how good of a player Knight was. Knight even had the great Chick Hearn fooled. Speaking of fools, Knight was a free agent after his Rookie year and played his amazing cutting ability into a ridiculous deal with Boston Celtics. Of course the most brilliant GM in the world (Rick Pitino) gave him a ton of money. How does a rookie year with stats of 4.8 points and 4.5 rebounds per game equate to a seven year $22 million contract? I’m obviously in the wrong business.

Anyhow, after bamboozling Pitino, Knight would only stick around a year before being traded back to the Lakers. The Lakers reacquired him via trade by sending the Celtics Tony Battie. Battie just happened to be the same guy the Lakers had just acquired for the rights to Nick Van Exel. So basically the Lakers traded Nick at Night for Travis fucking Knight. I guess that was the one Jerry West bumble?

Knight would go on to put up (Jim) Mcilvainian type numbers for the rest of his career, finishing up with averages of 3.4 points and 3.10 rebounds for his career. Oh to be white a seven footer. Knight does have one record to hang his hat on. I believe he has the record for fastest to foul out of an NBA game.

Mike Penberthy
The Lakers picked up Penberthy for the 2001 Season to act as a three point specialist. Penberthy was a pretty accurate three point shooter, but he couldn’t do much else. He was a liability on defense and slower than the first CD burners. The fact that he only lasted 1 ¼ seasons in the league tells you all you need to know about him.

Danny Ferry
Danny definitely falls into the category of “franchise killer”. The poster child for over-hyped white Duke players, Ferry (behind Shawn Bradley) might be the worst second overall pick in the history of the NBA. After the Clippers drafted Ferry 2nd overall in 1989, Ferry refused to play for their lowly franchise and instead opted to play in Europe for a season before forcing the Clippers hand and getting traded to the up and coming Cleveland Cavaliers. The Cavs traded their young star Ron Harper for Ferry. This would probably go down as one of the more intelligent deals the Clippers would ever make as well as the deal that killed any chances the Cavs had at a championship. Ferry was a stiff with a stand still jump shot. He couldn’t run or jump, but he was white, tall, and had a daddy that was a former NBAer, so he was pretty much guaranteed to have a ten year career. Go figure. Imagine if those Cavs team from the early 90s would have had Harper starting at two guard with Mark Price instead of Craig Ehlo. I’m sure the Cavalier at YAY Sports has spent many a moment wondering the same thing.

Joe Klein
Look, just because he was a seven-footer with red hair doesn’t mean that he was destined to be the next Bill Walton. Klein is best known for his back up center days in Boston, Phoenix, and Chicago. After the Bulls won their 5th championship in 1997, Klein supposedly started crying, to which Michael jokingly reacted by saying: “What the hell are you crying for? I’m the one that went out and won the damn thing!” Somehow Joe Klein played 15 seasons. During his career he averaged around 4 points and 4 rebounds per contest. Too bad he wasn’t ever a free agent during Rick Pitino’s reign as Celtics GM, because he certainly would have been offered a 7 year, $70 million deal…based on his potential of course….

Will Perdue
Will Perdue was just not a very good NBA player. I think I can safely say that he is the worst player in the history of the NBA to have four championship rings (Yeah I know John Salley has four rings, but at least he was good at some point in his career). Perdue averaged 4.7 points and 4.9 rebounds per game over a thirteen year career. During his stint with the Bulls, he did nothing but cause grief and frustration for the Bulls coaching staff. I’m sure both he and Stacey King were major contributors to Phil Jackson’s future heart troubles. He’s another player who’s potential would always be talked about through the early part of his career. Are you kidding me?!?!?! Some of these scouts really must be blind or something, because only a blind man would put the word potential next to the name Will Perdue. That is unless we are talking about someone being potentially bad. Perdue did end up aiding the Bulls a bit when they duped the San Antonio Spurs to trading Dennis Rodman to them for the rights to Perdue. That has to be one of the more one-sided deals of the last 20 years.

Tom Tolbert
Although Tom Tolbert wasn’t that terrible, he makes this list simply because of the way he talks about his career today. The way he speaks about his playing days, you would think he was an All-Star. He’s very Jack Haley like in that sense. Tolbert was the weed carrier/towel boy/bench warmer for the famed Run TMC Warrior teams of the late 80s/early 90s. You know you’ve had a whack career when your entire wikipedia profile mentions a sentence about your playing career and a couple paragraphs about your broadcast career.

Eric Montross
Eric Montross was another in the long line of poor Boston Celtics draft picks during the early 90s. Montross made a name for himself playing for the North Carolina Tarheels. He was a member of their famed 1993 championship team that stunned the “fab five” Michigan team in the National Final. Montross was selected 9th overall by the Boston Celtics in the 1994 NBA draft. During his career, Eric averaged 4.9 points, 4.6 rebounds, 0.6 blocks and 0.4 assists per game. He played in 465 games and started 263. This would be fine for a second round pick, but is just unacceptable for a guy selected 9th overall. Again, was there such a need for the big guy in the NBA that guys like Montross could collect an NBA sized check for 11 seasons? It’s just not fair…

Todd Fuller
When Golden State Warrior fans complain of Mike Dunleavy Jr.’s ineptitude, I only have to bring up one name to make them realize that Dunleavy isn’t really that bad. Of course I am talking about none other than Todd Fuller. Fuller was the number 11 overall pick of the 1996 draft. I know this is difficult to consider, but he was actually drafted ahead of Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash. Obviously the Warriors brass knew how to run a franchise. Fuller would stick around for five years averaging a measly 3.7 points and 3 rebounds per contest.

Shawn Bradley
He was tall, and had a nose for blocking shots. But he was also the number two overall pick of the 1993 draft. With that comes the responsibility of becoming at least a halfway decent player. Bradley would go on to become more known for getting dunked on and getting into random on court altercations than actually contributing to the good of his basketball teams. Someone please tell these GMs that white plus height does not equal future all-star. Anyhow, check the You Tube highlight below. In less than one minute, Eddie Jones manages to embarrass him not once, but twice. Check it out.

[bignick33]

I'm still laughing about the fact that Teddy doesn't have Kareem in his top 20.

Otherwise, he made great list that I largely agree with and have only a few minor quibbles (e.g.: Timmy > KG, Hondo should be higher, and Barkley should be lower).

On another note, one of the great debates is where to put Ewing in these rankings. I could see an argument to put him anywhere from 15 to 60.

[branchinator]

Sikma wasn't a stiff but he was aided because he got to play against a ton of stiffs. He'd be a useful role player in today's game and nothing more.

[twballgame9]

Sikma wasn't a stiff but he was aided because he got to play against a ton of stiffs. He'd be a useful role player in today's game and nothing more.

Problem with this argument is that Sikma wasn't athletic enough to play defense today, but offensively, he had more skills in his left pinky than most current players have in their whole bodies. Players today are defense first, athletes second, and basketball players a distant third.

This is why it is not problematic to say that the players are better now, but the game sucks shit. Most of the great athletes out there today can't play it.

[guru2]

I would post a list, but teddy is so close to my opinion you should just look at his. I would move Duncan up a few slots, and Stockton down a few, but that's all down a bit anyways.

"Who's the second best player in NBA history?" is at least an argument.

Yeah, you could swap Duncan and Garnett, but I wanted to stay consistent with the other thread. Stockton made not only himself a HOFer, but another guy, with limited skills (Malone) and he was singlehandedly responsible for making Jeff Hornacek a millionaire.

I am not a Mailman fan, but he would have been a HOFer with or without Stockton. You could just as easily argue that Stockton was made into a HOFer because he had the Mailman to run 25 pick and rolls with a game.

Also, if you are going to have Stockton in your top 20, you have to have Nash in there as well. Although Stockton played and put up number forever, he never dominated the way Nash has.

[twballgame9]

I would post a list, but teddy is so close to my opinion you should just look at his. I would move Duncan up a few slots, and Stockton down a few, but that's all down a bit anyways.

"Who's the second best player in NBA history?" is at least an argument.

Yeah, you could swap Duncan and Garnett, but I wanted to stay consistent with the other thread. Stockton made not only himself a HOFer, but another guy, with limited skills (Malone) and he was singlehandedly responsible for making Jeff Hornacek a millionaire.

I am not a Mailman fan, but he would have been a HOFer with or without Stockton. You could just as easily argue that Stockton was made into a HOFer because he had the Mailman to run 25 pick and rolls with a game.

Also, if you are going to have Stockton in your top 20, you have to have Nash in there as well. Although Stockton played and put up number forever, he never dominated the way Nash has.

Mailman would have been Elton Brand without Stockton. All he could do was pick and roll, and he played with the greatest pick and roll point guard ever.

And Nash will probably be on this list someday. But Stockton was better. And yes, Stockton dominated just like Nash. Carried teams to the Finals with Greg Ostertag, Jeff Hornacek and Byron Russell.

[branchinator]

Sikma wasn't a stiff but he was aided because he got to play against a ton of stiffs. He'd be a useful role player in today's game and nothing more.

Problem with this argument is that Sikma wasn't athletic enough to play defense today, but offensively, he had more skills in his left pinky than most current players have in their whole bodies. Players today are defense first, athletes second, and basketball players a distant third.

This is why it is not problematic to say that the players are better now, but the game sucks shit. Most of the great athletes out there today can't play it.

This is a very good point. Just look at Dwight Howard. The guy is a physical freak but doesn't have one iota of offensive talent nor will he ever. Like you said, it's a problem that many athletically gifted players have.

[bcbcbcbcbc4444]

Where do you guys think LeBron will end up on this list when its all said and done? Depending on what happens in the next 3 years I think he cold end up anywhere from No. 2 down. (He'll never be as good as Jordan)

[BearTerritory]

Russell was one of those guys like Oscar who revolutionized the game. Before him, centers were oafs. He made the center positon the most feared spot on the floor and he did so at the defensive end. (He had less offensive skills than Howard). He was also fortunate to play on a team where his skills were complementary but his athleticism would not be particularly distinguishable on a NBA roster these days,

Jordan was the best. Magic an easy second-best PG of all time and like Russell a guy responsible for championships. Then Wilt.

[triangeleagle]

I'd take Magic with the narrowest edge over MJ because of his unique skills and having had one of the greatest all time performances jumping center against the 76ers in the Finals as a rookie. But MJ or Russel in top spot can't be dismissed (or Oscar -- didn't he average a triple double for his career?), and any top 20 list without Kareem is fatally flawed.

Sikma was very effective, but I remember one of his coaches (Don Nelson, maybe?) remarking that if you laid a quarter on the floor of the gym, Jack couldn't jump over it.

[twballgame9]

Where do you guys think LeBron will end up on this list when its all said and done? Depending on what happens in the next 3 years I think he cold end up anywhere from No. 2 down. (He'll never be as good as Jordan)

Somewhere in the 20s.

[twballgame9]

I'd take Magic with the narrowest edge over MJ because of his unique skills and having had one of the greatest all time performances jumping center against the 76ers in the Finals as a rookie. But MJ or Russel in top spot can't be dismissed (or Oscar -- didn't he average a triple double for his career?), and any top 20 list without Kareem is fatally flawed.

Sikma was very effective, but I remember one of his coaches (Don Nelson, maybe?) remarking that if you laid a quarter on the floor of the gym, Jack couldn't jump over it.

Kareem was the most overrated player ever. Any list with Kareem is as fatally flawed as any list with Patrick Ewing.

[bignick33]

I'd take Magic with the narrowest edge over MJ because of his unique skills and having had one of the greatest all time performances jumping center against the 76ers in the Finals as a rookie. But MJ or Russel in top spot can't be dismissed (or Oscar -- didn't he average a triple double for his career?), and any top 20 list without Kareem is fatally flawed.

Sikma was very effective, but I remember one of his coaches (Don Nelson, maybe?) remarking that if you laid a quarter on the floor of the gym, Jack couldn't jump over it.

Kareem was the most overrated player ever. Any list with Kareem is as fatally flawed as any list with Patrick Ewing.

Kareem was a hundred times better than Ewing.

[twballgame9]

I'd take Magic with the narrowest edge over MJ because of his unique skills and having had one of the greatest all time performances jumping center against the 76ers in the Finals as a rookie. But MJ or Russel in top spot can't be dismissed (or Oscar -- didn't he average a triple double for his career?), and any top 20 list without Kareem is fatally flawed.

Sikma was very effective, but I remember one of his coaches (Don Nelson, maybe?) remarking that if you laid a quarter on the floor of the gym, Jack couldn't jump over it.

Kareem was the most overrated player ever. Any list with Kareem is as fatally flawed as any list with Patrick Ewing.

Kareem was a hundred times better than Ewing.

Yeah, no, not really. He just played until he was 60. Kareem is the Carl Yazstremski of pro hoop.

[triangeleagle]

Ewing wouldn't have lasted ten seconds against Bruce Lee, even with shades on, and his excessive sweating would have spoiled the "do you like gladiator movies" speech. No comparison to Kareem.

And 74 forgot Chuck Neavitt.

[bignick33]

I'd take Magic with the narrowest edge over MJ because of his unique skills and having had one of the greatest all time performances jumping center against the 76ers in the Finals as a rookie. But MJ or Russel in top spot can't be dismissed (or Oscar -- didn't he average a triple double for his career?), and any top 20 list without Kareem is fatally flawed.

Sikma was very effective, but I remember one of his coaches (Don Nelson, maybe?) remarking that if you laid a quarter on the floor of the gym, Jack couldn't jump over it.

Kareem was the most overrated player ever. Any list with Kareem is as fatally flawed as any list with Patrick Ewing.

Kareem was a hundred times better than Ewing.

Yeah, no, not really. He just played until he was 60. Kareem is the Carl Yazstremski of pro hoop.

So you're holding the fact that he played for a long time against him? That's OJ stupid. Kareem played for a long time and was tremendously productive over his long career. That's a positive; not a negative. He is fifteenth all-time in PPG (despite continuing to play well past his prime), just ahead of Larry Bird, and ahead of every center not named Wilt. He also spent much of his career on the NBA all-defensive teams (ninth all-time in blocks per game).

The other thing about Kareem that gives him a leg up is that he didn't have any holes in his game. He was a great scorer (24.6 PPG) and rebounder (11.2 RPG). He could pass out of a double team (3.6 APG). He was a tremendous defensive presence (2.57 BPG and .94 SPG). And, he shot a high percentage from both the field (.559) and from the line (.721). He also won, unlike Wilt. You was simply cannot find a center was was so consistently great across the board, and that's why I ranked him ahead of every other center except for Russell.

It's oh-so laughable that you'd categorize a six-time MVP with Patrick Ewing.

[twballgame9]

I'd take Magic with the narrowest edge over MJ because of his unique skills and having had one of the greatest all time performances jumping center against the 76ers in the Finals as a rookie. But MJ or Russel in top spot can't be dismissed (or Oscar -- didn't he average a triple double for his career?), and any top 20 list without Kareem is fatally flawed.

Sikma was very effective, but I remember one of his coaches (Don Nelson, maybe?) remarking that if you laid a quarter on the floor of the gym, Jack couldn't jump over it.

Kareem was the most overrated player ever. Any list with Kareem is as fatally flawed as any list with Patrick Ewing.

Kareem was a hundred times better than Ewing.

Yeah, no, not really. He just played until he was 60. Kareem is the Carl Yazstremski of pro hoop.

So you're holding the fact that he played for a long time against him? That's OJ stupid. Kareem played for a long time and was tremendously productive over his long career. That's a positive; not a negative. He is fifteenth all-time in PPG (despite continuing to play well past his prime), just ahead of Larry Bird, and ahead of every center not named Wilt. He also spent much of his career on the NBA all-defensive teams (ninth all-time in blocks per game).

The other thing about Kareem that gives him a leg up is that he didn't have any holes in his game. He was a great scorer (24.6 PPG) and rebounder (11.2 RPG). He could pass out of a double team (3.6 APG). He was a tremendous defensive presence (2.57 BPG and .94 SPG). And, he shot a high percentage from both the field (.559) and from the line (.721). He also won, unlike Wilt. You was simply cannot find a center was was so consistently great across the board, and that's why I ranked him ahead of every other center except for Russell.

It's oh-so laughable that you'd categorize a six-time MVP with Patrick Ewing.

I didn't. He'd be higher on the not-top-20 list than Ewing. Neither makes the list.

[bignick33]

He'd be higher on the not-top-20 list than Ewing. Neither makes the list.

It's a flawed list. I could see leaving him out of the top 5, but definitely not the top 20. He was the best player in pro basketball for over a decade.

[triangeleagle]

And he mastered the skyhook as basketball's one truly unstoppable weapon. Hard to see where he's "overrated."

(And it's almost impossible to believe that the Board's legion of Sox fans let that Yaz slam slide.)

[BCEagle74]

Ewing wouldn't have lasted ten seconds against Bruce Lee, even with shades on, and his excessive sweating would have spoiled the "do you like gladiator movies" speech. No comparison to Kareem.

And 74 forgot Chuck Neavitt.

7-5 and a real gaulk...wow what a klutz...

I think he won some state or legislative seat?

[BCEagle74]

7. West ---1 -- -Played versus superb Celtic teams that were 3+ players deeper.
6. Wilt -- 2 -- If not for West..The LOGO --all around player and leader.
1. Jordan -- 5 -- NBA was diluted.
2. Russell -- 3 -- Could not score like Wilt and Wilt played defense too, but with bad ballclubs and midgets.
5. Robertson -- 4 -- Triple Double Nightly when it was never called that.
3. Magic -- 6 -- Had great supporting players and Kareem--where in Lew Alcindor?
***KAREEM< ABDUL JABBAR*** -- 7TH SLOT
16. Kobe -- 8 -- Will go higher in 4 years.
18. Dr. J -- 9 --- Bad teams too..
4. Bird --- 10 -- Not a great defender.

15. Hondo -- 11 --Most underrated player in NBA history.
8. Baylor --- 14 --- Not much of defender

Insert>>>>>BELOW NAMES>>



9. Cousy --15 --- he had the team
10. Olajuwon -- 12 --Warrior 2 titles on his back
11. Shaq -- 13 -- No Kobe and great teams -- he was no Russell.
12. Stockton -- 18 --Solid career.
13. Thomas -- 14 -- Solid 2 titles but an asshole.
14. Barkley --20 ---no defense
17. Garnett -- 19 -- May move up.
19. Maravich --21-- Bad bad teams.
20. Duncan -- 16 -- 3 titles in like Jordan--diluted NBA.

Moses Malone...Karl Malone..Dave Bing..Rick Barry..Scottie Pippen..

FIXED![/quote]


Thsi amy need some tweaking but it is solid.

I will take the next 10 with Red Auerbach as Head Coach and win 10-10!

[commavegarage]

I think KAJ is at least top 15...Not quite sure how KG and his 19/11 for his career is on that list, even with a ring and the defender that he is.

[twballgame9]

And he mastered the skyhook as basketball's one truly unstoppable weapon. Hard to see where he's "overrated."

(And it's almost impossible to believe that the Board's legion of Sox fans let that Yaz slam slide.)

That Yaz slam came from a Sox fan that was forced to watch him for the last 6-8 torturous years of his career.

[twballgame9]

I think KAJ is at least top 15...Not quite sure how KG and his 19/11 for his career is on that list, even with a ring and the defender that he is.

Leave it to the stat geeks to fuck shit up. Let's put Bernard King on there with Dominique Wilkins.

Point scorers don't mean much to me. Kareem called by the way. He wanted to thank Oscar Robertson, Magic and Worthy for his rings and 3 MVPs. He also wanted to thank you for ignoring that in the three MVP seasons when he didn't play with one of those guys, his teams either missed the playoffs or checked out early. In one of those years, Bill Walton owned him in a 4-game sweep. Bet Lew got his points though.

[twballgame9]

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on Kareem:

"Although Abdul-Jabbar dominated the series statistically, Walton and the Trail Blazers (who were experiencing their first-ever run in the playoffs) swept the Lakers, behind Walton's skillful passing and leadership."

Kudos to the wikipedia contributor.

[pick6pedro]

I think KAJ is at least top 15...Not quite sure how KG and his 19/11 for his career is on that list, even with a ring and the defender that he is.

Leave it to the stat geeks to fuck shit up. Let's put Bernard King on there with Dominique Wilkins.

Point scorers don't mean much to me. Kareem called by the way. He wanted to thank Oscar Robertson, Magic and Worthy for his rings and 3 MVPs. He also wanted to thank you for ignoring that in the three MVP seasons when he didn't play with one of those guys, his teams either missed the playoffs or checked out early. In one of those years, Bill Walton owned him in a 4-game sweep. Bet Lew got his points though.

tdw, a ton of your "best player" talk hinges on team success. I'm feeling some disconnect here...

[commavegarage]

I think KAJ is at least top 15...Not quite sure how KG and his 19/11 for his career is on that list, even with a ring and the defender that he is.

Leave it to the stat geeks to fuck shit up. Let's put Bernard King on there with Dominique Wilkins.

Point scorers don't mean much to me. Kareem called by the way. He wanted to thank Oscar Robertson, Magic and Worthy for his rings and 3 MVPs. He also wanted to thank you for ignoring that in the three MVP seasons when he didn't play with one of those guys, his teams either missed the playoffs or checked out early. In one of those years, Bill Walton owned him in a 4-game sweep. Bet Lew got his points though.

There's a reason its an objective list asshole.

KG is nowhere near the player Duncan is/has been. KG wouldn't even make my top 50.

[commavegarage]

Point scorers don't mean much to me. Kareem called by the way. He wanted to thank Oscar Robertson, Magic and Worthy for his rings and 3 MVPs. He also wanted to thank you for ignoring that in the three MVP seasons when he didn't play with one of those guys, his teams either missed the playoffs or checked out early. In one of those years, Bill Walton owned him in a 4-game sweep. Bet Lew got his points though.

BTW KG did jack shit on the TWolves...he didn't do anything until he was surrounded by two other allstars.