The Heights: Noreen and Papa "in limbo"

[HJS]

I'd much rather get freshmen that can contribute right away than America East and JUCO transfers. Remember, now there is a coach in place who might not care about seniority for PT and doesn't have to teach the intricacies of the boreflex. Let 'em ball coach!

Losing Noreen would suck, btw.

Trapani was an America East transfer and that worked out ok.

Sure, but in the ACC he should be our 4th best player AT BEST.

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

[Eagledom]

I'd much rather get freshmen that can contribute right away than America East and JUCO transfers. Remember, now there is a coach in place who might not care about seniority for PT and doesn't have to teach the intricacies of the boreflex. Let 'em ball coach!

Losing Noreen would suck, btw.

Trapani was an America East transfer and that worked out ok.

Sure, but in the ACC he should be our 4th best player AT BEST.

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

ironic that you are calling ME the coward. This is some of the most comical backpedaling I have ever seen. Congrats.

[pick6pedro]

I'd much rather get freshmen that can contribute right away than America East and JUCO transfers. Remember, now there is a coach in place who might not care about seniority for PT and doesn't have to teach the intricacies of the boreflex. Let 'em ball coach!

Losing Noreen would suck, btw.

Trapani was an America East transfer and that worked out ok.

Sure, but in the ACC he should be our 4th best player AT BEST.

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

[pick6pedro]

I'd much rather get freshmen that can contribute right away than America East and JUCO transfers. Remember, now there is a coach in place who might not care about seniority for PT and doesn't have to teach the intricacies of the boreflex. Let 'em ball coach!

Losing Noreen would suck, btw.

Trapani was an America East transfer and that worked out ok.

Sure, but in the ACC he should be our 4th best player AT BEST.

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

ironic that you are calling ME the coward. This is some of the most comical backpedaling I have ever seen. Congrats.

Question - how can you backpedal from something that was made up? Never change OJ.

[Eagledom]

I'd much rather get freshmen that can contribute right away than America East and JUCO transfers. Remember, now there is a coach in place who might not care about seniority for PT and doesn't have to teach the intricacies of the boreflex. Let 'em ball coach!

Losing Noreen would suck, btw.

Trapani was an America East transfer and that worked out ok.

Sure, but in the ACC he should be our 4th best player AT BEST.

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

OOPS!:

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

[pick6pedro]

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

I'm aware of the thread and you rehashed the same conversation over here. And your assessment is the same as it was over there because YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ.

EDIT
Here's the most important post in that thread, the very first one where I mention talent. Yet, OJ's entire argument ignores it:

Trapani and Sanders have been extremely inconsistent when the team has needed them to be. Let's not forget Biko not playing the role most of us thought he could.

One quick distinction (so as not to confuse the imbeciles): Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home).

And for further clarification I'll say that I'm not settling for the latter mentioned "feats"...I'm saying those were realistic expectations based on the players BC came into the season with.

[HJS]

I'd much rather get freshmen that can contribute right away than America East and JUCO transfers. Remember, now there is a coach in place who might not care about seniority for PT and doesn't have to teach the intricacies of the boreflex. Let 'em ball coach!

Losing Noreen would suck, btw.

Trapani was an America East transfer and that worked out ok.

Sure, but in the ACC he should be our 4th best player AT BEST.

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

OOPS!:

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

Wait... did OJ just admit to being Domino12??? OOPS!

[pick6pedro]

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

I'm aware of the thread and you rehashed the same conversation over here. And your assessment is the same as it was over there because YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ.

EDIT
Here's the most important post in that thread, the very first one where I mention talent. Yet, OJ's entire argument ignores it:

Trapani and Sanders have been extremely inconsistent when the team has needed them to be. Let's not forget Biko not playing the role most of us thought he could.

One quick distinction (so as not to confuse the imbeciles): Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home).

And for further clarification I'll say that I'm not settling for the latter mentioned "feats"...I'm saying those were realistic expectations based on the players BC came into the season with.

Nothing OJ? That's what I thought.

[Eagledom]

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

I'm aware of the thread and you rehashed the same conversation over here. And your assessment is the same as it was over there because YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ.

EDIT
Here's the most important post in that thread, the very first one where I mention talent. Yet, OJ's entire argument ignores it:

Trapani and Sanders have been extremely inconsistent when the team has needed them to be. Let's not forget Biko not playing the role most of us thought he could.

One quick distinction (so as not to confuse the imbeciles): Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home).

And for further clarification I'll say that I'm not settling for the latter mentioned "feats"...I'm saying those were realistic expectations based on the players BC came into the season with.

Nothing OJ? That's what I thought.

Case closed. Thanks for playing.

[pick6pedro]

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

I'm aware of the thread and you rehashed the same conversation over here. And your assessment is the same as it was over there because YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ.

EDIT
Here's the most important post in that thread, the very first one where I mention talent. Yet, OJ's entire argument ignores it:

Trapani and Sanders have been extremely inconsistent when the team has needed them to be. Let's not forget Biko not playing the role most of us thought he could.

One quick distinction (so as not to confuse the imbeciles): Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home).

And for further clarification I'll say that I'm not settling for the latter mentioned "feats"...I'm saying those were realistic expectations based on the players BC came into the season with.

Nothing OJ? That's what I thought.

Case closed. Thanks for playing.

"Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home)."

compare to:

"This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season."


Hop in your LeBaron and drive to the nearest Hardees. Then insert your head in the fryer.

[Eagledom]

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

I'm aware of the thread and you rehashed the same conversation over here. And your assessment is the same as it was over there because YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ.

EDIT
Here's the most important post in that thread, the very first one where I mention talent. Yet, OJ's entire argument ignores it:

Trapani and Sanders have been extremely inconsistent when the team has needed them to be. Let's not forget Biko not playing the role most of us thought he could.

One quick distinction (so as not to confuse the imbeciles): Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home).

And for further clarification I'll say that I'm not settling for the latter mentioned "feats"...I'm saying those were realistic expectations based on the players BC came into the season with.

Nothing OJ? That's what I thought.

Case closed. Thanks for playing.

"Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home)."

compare to:

"This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season."


Hop in your LeBaron and drive to the nearest Hardees. Then insert your head in the fryer.

Deny, deny, deny (until you are busted)......then spin, spin, spin.

[pick6pedro]

This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season.

Yes, OJ, that's exactly what I said. .

Actually, it is.

OK, then show me where I said it you coward.

You did say it. It was in the same thread where he called Al the "N" word and claimed that Spaz's 2010 recruiting class... and I quote... "The best recruiting class in the history of Boston College." However, it was months after saying that Shinskie was better than Matt Ryan's junior year.

I remember that thread. It's the same one where twb said Roy Williams deserves to be fired and 81 extended an ACC invite to the Buffalo Bills. Thanks for jogging my memory.

http://bostoncollege.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1007&fid=603&style=2&tid=140374142&Page=1

I'm aware of the thread and you rehashed the same conversation over here. And your assessment is the same as it was over there because YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ.

EDIT
Here's the most important post in that thread, the very first one where I mention talent. Yet, OJ's entire argument ignores it:

Trapani and Sanders have been extremely inconsistent when the team has needed them to be. Let's not forget Biko not playing the role most of us thought he could.

One quick distinction (so as not to confuse the imbeciles): Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home).

And for further clarification I'll say that I'm not settling for the latter mentioned "feats"...I'm saying those were realistic expectations based on the players BC came into the season with.

Nothing OJ? That's what I thought.

Case closed. Thanks for playing.

"Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home)."

compare to:

"This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season."


Hop in your LeBaron and drive to the nearest Hardees. Then insert your head in the fryer.

Deny, deny, deny (until you are busted)......then spin, spin, spin.

I include a note for imbelices specifically, yet the imbeciles still can't comprehend.

So there's no difference between top-tier ACC talent, for example National Champion Duke, and being top 5 in the ACC in 2009-2010, for example VT, Wake, and Clemson (who won one tourney game between them)? Classic OJ reading problems. The only thing I can recommend at this point is a labotomy.

[talon]

"top tier" = 58.333 percentile

you learn something new everyday

[Cadillac90]

OJ - sorry buddy but you are dead wrong. Pedro did not say that and you have some serious reading comprehension issues. What a sham.

[pick6pedro]

I'm going to spell this out for you OJ.

Pedro: "Talent IS a problem if you're talking about why this team isn't a Final Four-caliber squad. Talent is NOT the problem if you're talking about being a top 5 ACC team, beating teams like Maine, St. Joe's and Harvard, and finishing games like VT (road) and FSU (home)."

OJ: "This coming from the guy who went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season."


Because top-tier talent in the ACC = Final Four-caliber, you're claiming I said exactly what I pointed out I wasn't saying.

[Art Vandelay]

While I am enjoying this little slap fight, the original statement that sent OJ down the path of hyperbole was that in the ACC Trapani should be our 4th best player at best.

Clearly OJ overstated what P6P previously said about the talent level, but is anyone surprised that OJ would overstate something? So let's put that aside for a moment and look at what pedro actually did say.

Clearly I don't agree that P6P "went ON AND ON AND ON about how we had top-tier ACC talent last season" as OJ claims. He did say clearly he thought the talent was there to be a top 5 team. So the question is is that statement consistent with saying Trapani should be the 4th best player. I would say that it is not unless he meant to say he should be our 4th best player if we are going to win a national championship.

Therefore In my humble opinion you are both wrong......and both right.

[pick6pedro]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

[bignick33]

This thread sucks.

[pick6pedro]

This thread sucks.

Seconded.

[Art Vandelay]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

[HJS]

This thread sucks.

Probably should make that as the permanent signature for OJ as EVERY thread sucks that he posts in.

[pick6pedro]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

The problem is you assume that being the #2 means you are far and away better than the #6 or 7. While that is usually the case, on this team he may have been the #2, but the distance between him and the 6 or 7 was negligible.

If you think the team fell right at their talent level in this year's ACC, then wouldn't that mean you don't think they were lazy? My contention is that if they played with even a hint of heart, they would have been 9-7 and won about 21 or 22 games. They had the talent to do that, IMO. The talent isn't what held them back.

[Eagledom]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

The problem is you assume that being the #2 means you are far and away better than the #6 or 7. While that is usually the case, on this team he may have been the #2, but the distance between him and the 6 or 7 was negligible.

If you think the team fell right at their talent level in this year's ACC, then wouldn't that mean you don't think they were lazy? My contention is that if they played with even a hint of heart, they would have been 9-7 and won about 21 or 22 games. They had the talent to do that, IMO. The talent isn't what held them back.

That's because you overrate the talent on this team.

[Art Vandelay]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

The problem is you assume that being the #2 means you are far and away better than the #6 or 7. While that is usually the case, on this team he may have been the #2, but the distance between him and the 6 or 7 was negligible.

If you think the team fell right at their talent level in this year's ACC, then wouldn't that mean you don't think they were lazy? My contention is that if they played with even a hint of heart, they would have been 9-7 and won about 21 or 22 games. They had the talent to do that, IMO. The talent isn't what held them back.

I think our difference of opinion here is that when I look at "talent" I count heart, desire, work ethic, basketball iq etc in the equation. It's not just athletic ability. I've had this argument about Sanders a number of times because I think people mistake his athleticism with talent. Being a great athlete does not make someone a talented player. It means they have potential. This team had players with potential who did not live up to their potential, but that does not mean they were overly talented.

As to your second point, I do think they fell right where they belonged talent wise and it is possible to have that happen and be lazy. You say they could have been 9-7, but it would have taken less for them to finish 11th. We finished 8th at 6-10 in conference and three teams right below us were 5-11. Thats only a one game swing. We also finshed tied for the worst overall record in the conference with us and UVA the only ACC teams under .500 for the season.

[pick6pedro]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

The problem is you assume that being the #2 means you are far and away better than the #6 or 7. While that is usually the case, on this team he may have been the #2, but the distance between him and the 6 or 7 was negligible.

If you think the team fell right at their talent level in this year's ACC, then wouldn't that mean you don't think they were lazy? My contention is that if they played with even a hint of heart, they would have been 9-7 and won about 21 or 22 games. They had the talent to do that, IMO. The talent isn't what held them back.

That's because you overrate the talent on this team.

Perhaps I do. OJ clearly believes this team was full of hustle guys and leadership, but no talent.

[pick6pedro]

I think our difference of opinion here is that when I look at "talent" I count heart, desire, work ethic, basketball iq etc in the equation. It's not just athletic ability. I've had this argument about Sanders a number of times because I think people mistake his athleticism with talent. Being a great athlete does not make someone a talented player. It means they have potential. This team had players with potential who did not live up to their potential, but that does not mean they were overly talented.

I do not put heart, desire, or work ethic in the talent bin. Don't know many who do. But your point is correct in that this explains the biggest reason for our dispersion. Again, I definitely never said the team was "overly talented" or even hinted at such.

As to your second point, I do think they fell right where they belonged talent wise and it is possible to have that happen and be lazy. You say they could have been 9-7, but it would have taken less for them to finish 11th. We finished 8th at 6-10 in conference and three teams right below us were 5-11. Thats only a one game swing. We also finshed tied for the worst overall record in the conference with us and UVA the only ACC teams under .500 for the season.

Absolutely. It could have gone either way. OJ can't fathom this, unfortunately.

Hardees. Head. Fryer.

[totheights]

I've heard rumors that all three of them might be gone. Came from a pretty reliable source so I think its guaranteed that we at least lose one or two

1 for 3 so far.

I'll take 1/3 of my crow with mustard please.

[twballgame9]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

Or talented players 1-3 aren't playing to their talent level. See, gray is a color!

[Art Vandelay]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

Or talented players 1-3 aren't playing to their talent level. See, gray is a color!

It's all gray sometimes. For the sake of argument how would you have stack ranked the top 5 in "talent" on this team.

Jackson as numbr 1 is obvious and I assume you'll say sanders is number 2 and didn't live up to his talent. I've made clear my opinion that Sanders had more athleticism and potential than talent, but we don't need to rehash that now. Not trying to pick a fight, but just curious about your opinion.

[twballgame9]

Art - while I get your point, my point is that Trapani, on a team like the 2005-2006 team (which I believe BC should always have) is the 7th best player. So when taken with the fact of the unimpressiveness in the ranks of the ACC this season, then is not necessarily a contradiction to say that BC had the talent to be top 5 in the conference this season.

I agree with you that Trapani "should" be the 4th best player we have, but this year he was in the top 2. Even in a down year when one of your best players is a Trapani you don't have the talent to be top 5. Oh yeah, and we finished right in line with that talent.

Or talented players 1-3 aren't playing to their talent level. See, gray is a color!

It's all gray sometimes. For the sake of argument how would you have stack ranked the top 5 in "talent" on this team.

Jackson as numbr 1 is obvious and I assume you'll say sanders is number 2 and didn't live up to his talent. I've made clear my opinion that Sanders had more athleticism and potential than talent, but we don't need to rehash that now. Not trying to pick a fight, but just curious about your opinion.

Athleticism is part of talent. Jackson, Sanders, Raji, Trapani, Ravenel.

I'd say 2-3 haven't played anywhere near up to their talent.