Duke vs Butler Predictions

[twballgame9]

Holy crap. That thing was right on line. That would have been epic.

[Art Vandelay]

Did Clark Kellogg just call that a "good shot"? He didn't have much of a choice because he dribbled around like Ty Rice on crack, but still.

Kellogg is as dumb as a bag of hammers. He made so many ridiculous statements tonight I don't know where to start.

[BCEagle74]

Wow...

I said he should miss that free throw and Nance and Kellogg were asleep and only mentioned that Butler did not have a timeout after the first free throw.

Nantz was asleep....

These guys suck.

[commavegarage]

Did anybody else see Singler flop like a bitch on that last play?

And don't give me this "People can't stand Duke because they win" shit CBS or whoever the fuck says it. Kansas wins, UCLA wins, insert team here wins and people don't complain about that.

Maybe if your 7 foot goon didn't flop like a bitch every play people would be able to tolerate you.

[EagleDave]

Kellogg in particular was horrendous...

That fucking goon Zoubek not fouling out is a travesty though...I feel for Butler.

[BCEagle74]

Did Clark Kellogg just call that a "good shot"? He didn't have much of a choice because he dribbled around like Ty Rice on crack, but still.

Kellogg is as dumb as a bag of hammers. He made so many ridiculous statements tonight I don't know where to start.

CBS was told Greg Anthony was the guy but Kellogg waited his turn when they forced Packer out.

Now Kellogg, Seth Davis, Doug Gottlieb and Andy Katz==morons.

[twballgame9]

Did Clark Kellogg just call that a "good shot"? He didn't have much of a choice because he dribbled around like Ty Rice on crack, but still.

Kellogg is as dumb as a bag of hammers. He made so many ridiculous statements tonight I don't know where to start.

Agreed. My favorite was the one where he said Scheyer had all ball until they showed the replay of the arm getting ripped out. Or the numerous "good calls" (like the Singler (non)travel).

[HJS]

Holy crap... that midcourt jumper really should've gone in... he hit on the perfect spot on the backboard. Maybe there wasn't enough spin on the ball, but goddamn... that shot really should've been good.

BTW... did Zoubeck miss on purpose and what was the deal with Kellogg saying that Butler wanted Duke to hit that last foul shot? No they didn't. While, it would allow them an inbounds play (one without a timeout), the best they could hope for was a tie.

Finally, Howard fouled on that last second shot. Completely buried Sheyer or Singler... moving pick... lowered shoulder... everything.

[apbc12]

Had that last shot gone in, it would have become the most famous shot in the history of college basketball.

[HJS]

Had that last shot gone in, it would have become the most famous shot in the history of college basketball.

Yep. And it wouldn't even be close.

[twballgame9]

Had that last shot gone in, it would have become the most famous shot in the history of college basketball.

Eh, maybe second tier with Keith Smart , Tate George and the Drew kid. Unless Gordon Heywood is the second coming, they will always overrate the Jordan shot. And Laetner's turn around to beat Kentucky.

[BCEagle74]

Had that last shot gone in, it would have become the most famous shot in the history of college basketball.

Heyward would had become an instant Flutie and maybe surpassed it since there was no catch.

What a great game!

[HJS]

Can someone PLEASE shoot Jim Nantz? That was certainly NOT the greatest BB game ever played? Jesus. It was a horrible game to watch. It was a phenomenal story and a very close game. But, come on... the greatest ever?

[HustlinOwl]

Holy crap. That thing was right on line. That would have been epic.

That was an inch away from going in. The pick at half court to free up heyward was pretty good too. I didn't see who it was, but he got put on his back.

[twballgame9]

Can someone PLEASE shoot Jim Nantz? That was certainly NOT the greatest BB game ever played? Jesus. It was a horrible game to watch. It was a phenomenal story and a very close game. But, come on... the greatest ever?

This.

[twballgame9]

By the way, ESPN thinks this is a new decade. Coach K now has wins in 3 decades. Just saying.

If ESPN says it, I guess that resolves our dispute.

[angrychicken]

Steve Donahue would have found a way to win that game.

[apbc12]

Had that last shot gone in, it would have become the most famous shot in the history of college basketball.

Eh, maybe second tier with Keith Smart , Tate George and the Drew kid. Unless Gordon Heywood is the second coming, they will always overrate the Jordan shot. And Laetner's turn around to beat Kentucky.

The only competition I thought of was Lorenzo Charles, Smart, Jordan, and Laettner. Then I remembered that if you ask your average college basketball fan "Who is Lorenzo Charles," they would probably have no idea. NC State's championship is probably best known for Valvano running around on the court. Smart's would be close, but the end was at least a little bit anticlimactic b/c of the delay between the made shot and the actual end of the game (only two seconds of game clock, I think, but there was a timeout). Jordan's would be closer, but it wasn't really a remarkable shot, and is almost overshadowed by the insanity of the turnover/pass to Worthy that ended it. As you implied, it's really best known for being shot by Michael Jordan. Laettner's would be closest.

I think Hayward's would have become the most famous for a few reasons: the degree of difficulty, the stakes, the timing (a shot is always more memorable if it goes in at or after the buzzer), and because it would fit neatly into the narrative--the hackneyed Hoosiers thing, as you called it earlier. And finally because it took place in the age of YouTube.

[HJS]

I don't know why we aren't looking at Wojo or Collins? It is so incredibly clear that Wojo and Collins are both solely responsible for all of Coach K's success this year.

[twballgame9]

Had that last shot gone in, it would have become the most famous shot in the history of college basketball.

Eh, maybe second tier with Keith Smart , Tate George and the Drew kid. Unless Gordon Heywood is the second coming, they will always overrate the Jordan shot. And Laetner's turn around to beat Kentucky.

The only competition I thought of was Lorenzo Charles, Smart, Jordan, and Laettner. Then I remembered that if you ask your average college basketball fan "Who is Lorenzo Charles," they would probably have no idea. NC State's championship is probably best known for Valvano running around on the court. Smart's would be close, but the end was at least a little bit anticlimactic b/c of the delay between the made shot and the actual end of the game (only two seconds of game clock, I think, but there was a timeout). Jordan's would be closer, but it wasn't really a remarkable shot, and is almost overshadowed by the insanity of the turnover/pass to Worthy that ended it. As you implied, it's really best known for being shot by Michael Jordan. Laettner's would be closest.

I think Hayward's would have become the most famous for a few reasons: the degree of difficulty, the stakes, the timing (a shot is always more memorable if it goes in at or after the buzzer), and because it would fit neatly into the narrative--the hackneyed Hoosiers thing, as you called it earlier. And finally because it took place in the age of YouTube.

Thing is, it is largely about who took it when it comes to college ball. It would have been a famous shot, but unlike Laetner and Jordan, it would be "the shot by the skinny kid from Butler a few years back...what was his name?"

[MilitantEagle]

Steve Donahue would have found a way to win that game.

If Steve Donahue were coaching, Duke would have forfeited before tipoff. That's how good he is!

[angrychicken]

Steve Donahue would have found a way to win that game.

If Steve Donahue were coaching, Duke would have forfeited before tipoff. That's how good he is!

Donahue Fever...catch it!



Seriously, it's the best realistic hire. I'll start a bandwagon.

[apbc12]

Thing is, it is largely about who took it when it comes to college ball. It would have been a famous shot, but unlike Laetner and Jordan, it would be "the shot by the skinny kid from Butler a few years back...what was his name?"

Fair point. Unfortunately we don't get to find out. We get the pleasure of watching the sanctimonious douche reap more praise for being THE GREATEST LEADER IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS AND PROBABLY MANKIND TOO.

[twballgame9]

Steve Donahue would have found a way to win that game.

If Steve Donahue were coaching, Duke would have forfeited before tipoff. That's how good he is!

Donahue Fever...catch it!



Seriously, it's the best realistic hire. I'll start a bandwagon.

epstein claimed dibs on the whole "founder" thing.

[apbc12]

Steve Donahue would have found a way to win that game.

If Steve Donahue were coaching, Duke would have forfeited before tipoff. That's how good he is!

Donahue Fever...catch it!



Seriously, it's the best realistic hire. I'll start a bandwagon.

epstein claimed dibs on the whole "founder" thing.

...a few hundred times, in every thread on the board.

[Art Vandelay]

Holy crap... that midcourt jumper really should've gone in... he hit on the perfect spot on the backboard. Maybe there wasn't enough spin on the ball, but goddamn... that shot really should've been good.

BTW... did Zoubeck miss on purpose and what was the deal with Kellogg saying that Butler wanted Duke to hit that last foul shot? No they didn't. While, it would allow them an inbounds play (one without a timeout), the best they could hope for was a tie.

Finally, Howard fouled on that last second shot. Completely buried Sheyer or Singler... moving pick... lowered shoulder... everything.

I think the point waas Butler wanted him to hit it so the clock would stop and they could get it to half court or close without the clock running. That may have been the only coherent thing he said all night. I saw the moving pick on howard as well. He literally threw a body check.

[pick6pedro]

Did anybody else see Singler flop like a bitch on that last play?

Oh boy, really? You mean as he was running full speed defending the ball and a guy drilled him from the blind-side and you think he flopped? Tell me you're kidding.

I watch more basketball than you so your opinion doesn't matter.

[BC '00]

Butler by 1 (not really, just hoping) 62-61

Whichever team wins, this final is just an indictment of the quality of college hoops this year. Who really thinks either of these teams would have made it competitive with the last 5 national champs? Disgraciad.

That last shot goes in and I would have been dead on...and much much much happier. Not only did the biggest bunch of whiny douchebags in college basketball win the tournament, but I was this close to a great call. I still say they are the weakest champs I can remember.

[Art Vandelay]

Did anybody else see Singler flop like a bitch on that last play?

Oh boy, really? You mean as he was running full speed defending the ball and a guy drilled him from the blind-side and you think he flopped? Tell me you're kidding.

I watch more basketball than you so your opinion doesn't matter.

I'm with pedro on this one. If you think that was a flop then you have truly been blinded to reality by your hatred for Duke.

[auggiebc]

I can live with the ACC winning NC's every year. Kinda shuts up the Big East a bit.