pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Here's what I don't get - Gregory and Pearl are both contacted but don't interview. And Stevens could be next. Yet everyone is sarcastically mentioning the "national search" or calling it a sham just because of the interview list. Why?
Eagledom {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Here's what I don't get - Gregory and Pearl are both contacted but don't interview. And Stevens could be next. Yet everyone is sarcastically mentioning the "national search" or calling it a sham just because of the interview list. Why?
because these same people "predicted" it would be a shame before any interviews were held and will go to great lengths to never admit that Gene has ever done anything correctly.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Here's what I don't get - Gregory and Pearl are both contacted but don't interview. And Stevens could be next. Yet everyone is sarcastically mentioning the "national search" or calling it a sham just because of the interview list. Why?
HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere. And Katz... what's this talk about rebuilding? I thought you said Al had this program in great shape and then the rug was pulled out from under him?
And another thing... doesn't BC have any effing backdoor channels for which to gauge Gregory's interest (without publicly being rejected)?
And ANOTHER thing... GDF won't allow himself getting rejected again. When SHU and SJU were able to get scores showing interest in their crap jobs, these public rejections by mid-major coaches really starts to reflect on him rather than the school.
Besides... Donahue has pride too. He can't have this hanging out there for 2 weeks. If Donahue is indeed a leader, GDF will need to set up a second interview for Wednesday. And will need to do it soon.
HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere. And Katz... what's this talk about rebuilding? I thought you said Al had this program in great shape and then the rug was pulled out from under him?
And another thing... doesn't BC have any effing backdoor channels for which to gauge Gregory's interest (without publicly being rejected)?
And ANOTHER thing... GDF won't allow himself getting rejected again. When SHU and SJU were able to get scores showing interest in their crap jobs, these public rejections by mid-major coaches really starts to reflect on him rather than the school.
Besides... Donahue has pride too. He can't have this hanging out there for 2 weeks. If Donahue is indeed a leader, GDF will need to set up a second interview for Wednesday. And will need to do it soon.
HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere. And Katz... what's this talk about rebuilding? I thought you said Al had this program in great shape and then the rug was pulled out from under him?
And another thing... doesn't BC have any effing backdoor channels for which to gauge Gregory's interest (without publicly being rejected)?
And ANOTHER thing... GDF won't allow himself getting rejected again. When SHU and SJU were able to get scores showing interest in their crap jobs, these public rejections by mid-major coaches really starts to reflect on him rather than the school.
Besides... Donahue has pride too. He can't have this hanging out there for 2 weeks. If Donahue is indeed a leader, GDF will need to set up a second interview for Wednesday. And will need to do it soon.
Katz went out of his way to make BC look bad with this piece. But I have a question for you, do you want a national search, which takes time and requires the season to end (Stevens) or do you want Gene to hurry up and hire Donahue without considering other options?
Exactly. From what I can tell, Gene is doing a pretty good job with the search and if he tops it off by hiring Donahue, then I will be pleased.
Pookie84 {l Wrote}:Exactly. From what I can tell, Gene is doing a pretty good job with the search and if he tops it off by hiring Donahue, then I will be pleased.
Look, I'm a pretty get-along, go-along guy, but this post made me go back in the house and grab my pitchfork and torch before typing a reply.
Seriously, you think he's "doing a pretty good job with the search?"
Based on every nugget of public information, here were all the candidates:
-Ed Cooley
-Bill Coen
-Steve Donahue
-Tommy Amaker
-Chris Mooney
-Brian Gregory
-Bruce Pearl
-maybe Brad Stevens
Let's "drill a little deeper," as a brain-dead corporate automaton would say. The first two candidates are former assistants of the coach we just paid $3 million to walk away. Putting merits aside, if we hire either of them, we'd in essence be paying $1.5 million annually for one of Al's assistants instead of just paying $1 million a year for Al. This after Gene made a big show about embarrassing Al publicly regarding his style of play - a style both of these guys share. And here's an exhaustive list of the other major conference jobs either Coen or Cooley were even remotely associated with this year: _______. Ok. And here's the list of major conference jobs either of them would be in the mix for next year: __________. This is not to say they're bad coaches or dumb guys, but come on. You can't reach like this after you just pushed a pretty successful coach out the door one year removed from 20 wins and a tournament appearance.
The last two names on that list were as likely to accept an offer from BC as Gene is to be able to reach a box of Boo-Berry cereal on the third shelf at the supermarket without a stepladder (i.e. very, very unlikely). If I were conducting a search for an MC for the Milton HS Winter Talent show, and I left a bunch of messages for Dave Letterman and Will Ferrell before settling on the night janitor at the high school (Mr. Gutierrez - a very funny and talented man in his own right), could I really get away with saying "Hey, I did an exhaustive, national search. Those guys never called me back, Mr. Gutierrez was very excited about the position, and his talking chihuahua hand puppet is just cracker jack stuff...you'll love it!"
So really, Gene uncovered four reasonable candidates. One of those was Tommy Amaker, who is a minority with big-time experience, coaching 3 miles from BC's campus - kind of hard to miss that one, even though he is actually a bad fit at BC. Another was Donahue, a northeastern guy who happened to have the two-week highlight of his coaching career exactly as Gene was firing Al - again, hard to miss. Mooney is another Ivy guy coming off his best season, so he certainly warranted a look, and Gregory actually made the most sense out of all these guys (based on Gene's stated criteria)...so naturally he got the most cursory involvement in the search.
This is a bigtime job - a head coaching opportunity in the ACC. And Gene's "national search" basically involved the exact four guys that anyone with access to the final standings in the Ivy League and A-10 could have identified as superficially acceptable candidates. No one even mildly unexpected, no hot assistant coaches from big time programs, no pro names, nothing except the safest, easiest-to-identify possibilities.
Very disappointing, at least to this BC alum.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere.
Seems to me the article was based on the fact that Gregory told Katz he was contacted by BC (not re-upping as you seem to think it says - did you even read it?). While the article was not flattering with regards BC (not surprising seeing what corner he put himself in immediately), what does the news he is basing this story on have to do with DePaul?
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks.
HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere.
Seems to me the article was based on the fact that Gregory told Katz he was contacted by BC (not re-upping as you seem to think it says - did you even read it?). While the article was not flattering with regards BC (not surprising seeing what corner he put himself in immediately), what does the news he is basing this story on have to do with DePaul?
Wait... are you going around demanding PROOF again???
Here it is... per Katz's Twitter account: http://twitter.com/espnandykatz
Dayton's Brian Gregory says no thanks to BC, second A-10 coach, also no DePaul, staying at Dayton: http://bit.ly/coZehJ
talon {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks.
really?
Pookie84 {l Wrote}:
Based on every nugget of public information, here were all the candidates:
-Ed Cooley = TOTAL FUCKING LOSER
-Bill Coen = LAST CHANCE HOTEL.
-Steve Donahue = BEST OF BAD LITTER.
-Tommy Amaker =WORST!!!! OF BAD LITTER FAILURE AT SH AND MICHIGAN.
-Chris Mooney = AIN'T COMING!
-Brian Gregory = AIN'T COMING
-Bruce Pearl == WAS NEVER FOR YOU ASSCLOWNS AN OPTION
NOW YOU ARE TALKING!!!
-maybe Brad Stevens ===I PRAY AND HOPE!! GET OFFER SHEET READY!
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Very disappointing, at least to this BC alum.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere.
Seems to me the article was based on the fact that Gregory told Katz he was contacted by BC (not re-upping as you seem to think it says - did you even read it?). While the article was not flattering with regards BC (not surprising seeing what corner he put himself in immediately), what does the news he is basing this story on have to do with DePaul?
Wait... are you going around demanding PROOF again???
Here it is... per Katz's Twitter account: http://twitter.com/espnandykatz
Dayton's Brian Gregory says no thanks to BC, second A-10 coach, also no DePaul, staying at Dayton: http://bit.ly/coZehJ
WTF are you talking about? The article posted to start the thread was about BC contacting Gregory and him staying. I'm not saying he hasn't been mentioned for DePaul (because he has, a TON), I'm saying the article that started this thread doesn't say anything about DePaul because it was on ESPNBoston. New level of genius attained by HJS.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:talon {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks.
really?
I wouldn't want Collins or Wojo. I don't know the others. Look at the relative lack of success from Amaker, Snyder, Brey, and so far, Dawkins.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:talon {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks.
really?
I wouldn't want Collins or Wojo. I don't know the others. Look at the relative lack of success from Amaker, Snyder, Brey, and so far, Dawkins.
Dawkins has taken Stanford backwards in a matter of fact.
HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... are you going around demanding PROOF again???
Here it is... per Katz's Twitter account: http://twitter.com/espnandykatz
Dayton's Brian Gregory says no thanks to BC, second A-10 coach, also no DePaul, staying at Dayton: http://bit.ly/coZehJ
WTF are you talking about? The article posted to start the thread was about BC contacting Gregory and him staying. I'm not saying he hasn't been mentioned for DePaul (because he has, a TON), I'm saying the article that started this thread doesn't say anything about DePaul because it was on ESPNBoston. New level of genius attained by HJS.
There you go demanding proof again. Here is a link the the NATIONAL Men's Hoops ESPN.com page. The third article down (just below Coach K telling the Nets no thanks) is the "Dayton's Gregory not pursuing BC job" and that takes you to the ESPNBoston article. The point... which you seem to be missing... is that Katz himself had been pimping Gregory for the DePaul gig for weeks. The real... non-biased news story here is that Gregory is staying at Dayton and NOT pursuing the DePaul job or the BC job (for which he had a preliminary conversation with GDF). This article was framed as BC getting bitch-slapped by Gregory (willing to not even interview) without the slightest mention of the school people were CONVINCED he would be coaching next year.
HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too? Shouldn't that have been at all mentioned? I mean, the link between BC and Gregory pretty much didn't exist outside this board, while the DePaul thing was everywhere.
Seems to me the article was based on the fact that Gregory told Katz he was contacted by BC (not re-upping as you seem to think it says - did you even read it?). While the article was not flattering with regards BC (not surprising seeing what corner he put himself in immediately), what does the news he is basing this story on have to do with DePaul?
Wait... are you going around demanding PROOF again???
Here it is... per Katz's Twitter account: http://twitter.com/espnandykatz
Dayton's Brian Gregory says no thanks to BC, second A-10 coach, also no DePaul, staying at Dayton: http://bit.ly/coZehJ
WTF are you talking about? The article posted to start the thread was about BC contacting Gregory and him staying. I'm not saying he hasn't been mentioned for DePaul (because he has, a TON), I'm saying the article that started this thread doesn't say anything about DePaul because it was on ESPNBoston. New level of genius attained by HJS.
There you go demanding proof again. Here is a link the the NATIONAL Men's Hoops ESPN.com page. The third article down (just below Coach K telling the Nets no thanks) is the "Dayton's Gregory not pursuing BC job" and that takes you to the ESPNBoston article. The point... which you seem to be missing... is that Katz himself had been pimping Gregory for the DePaul gig for weeks. The real... non-biased news story here is that Gregory is staying at Dayton and NOT pursuing the DePaul job or the BC job (for which he had a preliminary conversation with GDF). This article was framed as BC getting bitch-slapped by Gregory (willing to not even interview) without the slightest mention of the school people were CONVINCED he would be coaching next year.
Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks. An Izzo assistant? Sure, but we basically tried that with Gregory. Boeheim assistant? Who?
Pookie84 {l Wrote}:Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks. An Izzo assistant? Sure, but we basically tried that with Gregory. Boeheim assistant? Who?
So, let's get this straight...it's a good idea to talk to TWO Al Skinner assistants, but not Chris Collins? How about Mike Hopkins from Cuse? There are literally a dozen guys, minimum, who are at least worth kicking the tires on, yet Gene does a cursory search limited to a handful of second-tier candidates (again, Pearl and Stevens were not "candidates" for this job) and calls it a day.
Pookie84 {l Wrote}:Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks. An Izzo assistant? Sure, but we basically tried that with Gregory. Boeheim assistant? Who?
So, let's get this straight...it's a good idea to talk to TWO Al Skinner assistants, but not Chris Collins? How about Mike Hopkins from Cuse? There are literally a dozen guys, minimum, who are at least worth kicking the tires on, yet Gene does a cursory search limited to a handful of second-tier candidates (again, Pearl and Stevens were not "candidates" for this job) and calls it a day.
HJS {l Wrote}:Wait... does Katz just flat-out hate BC now? Wasn't Gregory pinned (by Katz) to be the main target for DePaul? Doesn't his re-upping at Dayton mean he is out as a candidate for DePaul too?
Pookie84 {l Wrote}:Who do you want to bring in? A Coach K assistant? No thanks. An Izzo assistant? Sure, but we basically tried that with Gregory. Boeheim assistant? Who?
So, let's get this straight...it's a good idea to talk to TWO Al Skinner assistants, but not Chris Collins? How about Mike Hopkins from Cuse? There are literally a dozen guys, minimum, who are at least worth kicking the tires on, yet Gene does a cursory search limited to a handful of second-tier candidates (again, Pearl and Stevens were not "candidates" for this job) and calls it a day.
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