HJS {l Wrote}:BCBaseball {l Wrote}:As has been alluded to, Coen and Murph ( old man ) are tight enough...like to play the ponies together. Gene will certainly not be influenced by that...it would merely be a by-product of a decision.
The zero sum logic on this board is something...for what it's worth Coen and Cooley would both be great hires. Good basketball guys with solid recruiting connections.
The focus of everyone ( understandably, with the vacancy ) is on the coach, but the things which will affect the wins/losses the most are still the off-the-court issues. Coen and Cooley know these issues and are ( apparently) prepared to work through them. Outside candidates...may not be as aware of them.
I can think of a couple guys who would have come to BC if Coen was the main guy, not just a guy recruiting him. I have heard similar re: Cooley and even Duke. The broad brush doesn't fit. One of Skinners STRENGTHS was his staff...that's a key to his approach.
Coen has ties to that area/people, and Siena is one of the best mid-major jobs in the country. Siena is waiting on this...
As I posted in a buried thread this weekend...
I am sick and fucking tired people saying that they like Cooley and Coen without distinguishing who did fucking what here.
What was Coen's job while he was here? What was Cooley's? Who was responsible for what? Stop with the Cooley/Coen comments like they are interchangeable. If you think that one will take BC to greater heights than Al, you NECESSARILY have to believe both (a) Skinner was an empty figurehead and (b) the assistant you passed on was just along for the ride. Honestly, if you like Cooley, you have to be convinced that Coen would be worse than keeping Al. Similarly, if you like Coen, you are required to believe Cooley would be the worst hire in the history of the school.
This pussyfooting around about either being OK is flat-out retarded. It would be much productive for you to come out and say, "I really don't care which one they hire because I am a graduate of the Campus School, will be happy no matter who the coach is and only care about whether Gene will continue allowing me to wear my unicorn costume at games."
It's nice to see you know nothing about the basketball program as well as the football program. Maybe if you hold your breath then BC will win every game. Seriously, you're an ignorant fool, but a anamecalling volley doesn't do much to further my point...
I believe you mentioned wanting Fran McCaffery in an old post...ok, let's start there. Fran had NO interest in coming to BC. His sentiment was strictly professional...the institutional support, gameday atmosphere, and prospects for
sustained success were not promising. I actually tried to argue this point with him...after all,I'm a BC alum...and he did a pretty convincing job of refuting my points. By the way, I think highly of Fran and think he would have been a great hire. Ironically, McCaffery is a huge fan of Ed Cooley's...thinks he's a great coach NOW.
There are limitations inherent to BC when talking about the basketball program. I'm not thrilled either, but they're mostly real, not perceived. I say 'perceived' because the racial stuff concerning recruiting is real on the recruiting trail, but should be considered perception, at least in my opinion. I'm not an 18-22 yearold minority though, so unlike others who post here, I'm not assuming my view is the only view. Dude...it's no coincidence that some great coaches...and not-so-great coaches who were able to reach some level of achievement...got out of Dodge/Chestnut Hill when the going was good. Al didn't...nor did at least one of his current assistants.
By the way, as I was typing this I realized that the same discussion I had with Fran McCaffery occured a handful of years ago...with a then-BC assistant. We had the discussion prior to a conference game, surrounded by a handful of disinterested fans. Have you ever experienced the difference between a recruiting visit at BC versus some of the schools we play? Now, think like an 18 year-old. Blaming a person...Gene,Al, Duke, Coen, etc. feels great, but it is ignorant bluster. Nothing more. It's like selling a poorly serviced product versus a well-supported one. Yes, you try your best, but at the end of the day it is what it is, and crying about how the playing field isn't even doesn't help you to win. Billy Coen and Ed Cooley won't cry about it ( see:JOB, who constantly whined about this once he had some success. His whining before that was done to the media, but he started to be a real pain once he felt leverage with his success. That was a poor read on his part by the way. Sadly, his points were valid, but his approach was poorly-conceived ). By the way, I don't know much about Donahue, but he would probably be a solid choice. I just hope he knows the culture at BC as well as he thinks he does. His info is coming 2nd-hand.
In typical fashion, the names you mention aren't interested. HJS, why don't you start asking Victoria's supermodels to marry you? After all, if you don't that means you are an incompetent fool.