Fire Al threads

[Logitano]

Logi, not questioning it but do you have the Globe article on link -would be a good read.

Perhaps I am wrong Al just does not like to acknowledge that his team quit in public. Here is the quote and as a long time watcher of BC basketball there are tons of examples of games where his teams showed no heart the most glaring being the final home game with Troy Bell, harvard I and II and last year's game against USC but I digress:

Every so often, Skinner shows a side people don't typically see.

The day after Boston College lost, 78-60, to N.C. State in 2006, Skinner flipped. He threw a pen. He tossed a clipboard.

"He was angry," former BC player Jared Dudley recalled. "Angry.

"The N.C. State players were talking about how they took our hearts from us. He said he had never heard someone say that about one of his teams ever in his life. I just remember him shouting, 'Never! Never again!' Throwing things and walking out."


Here is another great quote considering his teams consistently collapse in close situations in the postseason:

"But you've got to be true to yourself," Skinner said. "There's no one way to do it. For me, this is the way I've decided to handle myself, and I'm very comfortable with that."

There's a reason behind it.

"I want my players to feel the same regardless of what the situation is," Skinner said. "The more intense a situation is, I want them to be able to handle it."
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/mens_basketball/articles/2009/03/19/grounded_eagle/

[angryty]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

[BCEagle74]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

That interview of Baron after the game by the FXSW girl really told it all.

I love his comments about his style and approach.

[twballgame9]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

There are a lot of better coaches than Al. Al is a good one, but as I have said many times, he does some things that drive me nuts. I don't like his style, for example - I prefer a hands on coach in college. But his success with the NBA style is undeniable.

I won't get into the tourney discussion again, but I only have a problem with one of the losses that Al exited the tourney with - UWM. The remainder were better teams, #1 seed Nova, #2 seed G'Town, National Runner Up Georgia Tech. I suppose you could make a big deal about the loss by the 01 team, but anyone that thinks that team was really good didn't watch them play. They had one legit player, Bell, a decent tweener in Sidney, and a bunch of guys that wouldn't crack the lineup on this year's team - Beerbohm, Agbai, Harley, Singletary. Fact is that the Big East was way down in the early 00s, but despite that, that BC team overachieved just to win the BE titles.

So the lack of postseason success leads to knee jerk disappoint. "Should have gone further" replaces lost to some good teams. When you remind people that they lost to some good teams, then they say "well, it was the way they lost to a team that was better than them." It is revisionist history in its worst form.

My problems with Al are mostly in game strategy. He's not good at it. He relies on the players to fix their own shit. But hiring a new coach means you give up a lot of the things that Al has that are good and there is no guarantee that the new guy will have them. OJ and the rest of the fire Al people assume that you can just go find a guy that has all of Al's good traits and yet also can pull 5 star talent to BC and is the perfect in-game coach. Those guys do exist - you'll find them at Louisville, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, UCLA, Cuse, G'Town. And if you find them elsewhere, they will soon be on their way there.

I have always had a real viable solution to Al's problems. Instead of having assistants like Pat Duquette and Mo Cassara who barely have their feet wet in the game, and don't have the cache to tell Al that he is fucking up a game, try hiring an old school guy that Al would defer to. His laid back demeanor would be counterbalanced by an old school hoop guy that can take over the huddle, call timeouts, draw up inbounds plays and perhaps work up a viable alternative to the flex (which I have always thought was a fucking CYO offense). Calhoun and Boeheim have always had a guy like that. Perhaps it is a defensive specialist like many of the NBA guys - Rivers has one of those.

This is a real solution. Not firing Al. Take the the clipboard away from him.

[bcbcbcbcbc4444]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

There are a lot of better coaches than Al. Al is a good one, but as I have said many times, he does some things that drive me nuts. I don't like his style, for example - I prefer a hands on coach in college. But his success with the NBA style is undeniable.

I won't get into the tourney discussion again, but I only have a problem with one of the losses that Al exited the tourney with - UWM. The remainder were better teams, #1 seed Nova, #2 seed G'Town, National Runner Up Georgia Tech. I suppose you could make a big deal about the loss by the 01 team, but anyone that thinks that team was really good didn't watch them play. They had one legit player, Bell, a decent tweener in Sidney, and a bunch of guys that wouldn't crack the lineup on this year's team - Beerbohm, Agbai, Harley, Singletary. Fact is that the Big East was way down in the early 00s, but despite that, that BC team overachieved just to win the BE titles.

So the lack of postseason success leads to knee jerk disappoint. "Should have gone further" replaces lost to some good teams. When you remind people that they lost to some good teams, then they say "well, it was the way they lost to a team that was better than them." It is revisionist history in its worst form.

My problems with Al are mostly in game strategy. He's not good at it. He relies on the players to fix their own shit. But hiring a new coach means you give up a lot of the things that Al has that are good and there is no guarantee that the new guy will have them. OJ and the rest of the fire Al people assume that you can just go find a guy that has all of Al's good traits and yet also can pull 5 star talent to BC and is the perfect in-game coach. Those guys do exist - you'll find them at Louisville, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, UCLA, Cuse, G'Town. And if you find them elsewhere, they will soon be on their way there.

I have always had a real viable solution to Al's problems. Instead of having assistants like Pat Duquette and Mo Cassara who barely have their feet wet in the game, and don't have the cache to tell Al that he is fucking up a game, try hiring an old school guy that Al would defer to. His laid back demeanor would be counterbalanced by an old school hoop guy that can take over the huddle, call timeouts, draw up inbounds plays and perhaps work up a viable alternative to the flex (which I have always thought was a fucking CYO offense). Calhoun and Boeheim have always had a guy like that. Perhaps it is a defensive specialist like many of the NBA guys - Rivers has one of those.

This is a real solution. Not firing Al. Take the the clipboard away from him.

I agree 100% with this. I dont necessarily see a better option than Al.

[Eagledom]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

There are a lot of better coaches than Al. Al is a good one, but as I have said many times, he does some things that drive me nuts. I don't like his style, for example - I prefer a hands on coach in college. But his success with the NBA style is undeniable.

I won't get into the tourney discussion again, but I only have a problem with one of the losses that Al exited the tourney with - UWM. The remainder were better teams, #1 seed Nova, #2 seed G'Town, National Runner Up Georgia Tech. I suppose you could make a big deal about the loss by the 01 team, but anyone that thinks that team was really good didn't watch them play. They had one legit player, Bell, a decent tweener in Sidney, and a bunch of guys that wouldn't crack the lineup on this year's team - Beerbohm, Agbai, Harley, Singletary. Fact is that the Big East was way down in the early 00s, but despite that, that BC team overachieved just to win the BE titles.

So the lack of postseason success leads to knee jerk disappoint. "Should have gone further" replaces lost to some good teams. When you remind people that they lost to some good teams, then they say "well, it was the way they lost to a team that was better than them." It is revisionist history in its worst form.

My problems with Al are mostly in game strategy. He's not good at it. He relies on the players to fix their own shit. But hiring a new coach means you give up a lot of the things that Al has that are good and there is no guarantee that the new guy will have them. OJ and the rest of the fire Al people assume that you can just go find a guy that has all of Al's good traits and yet also can pull 5 star talent to BC and is the perfect in-game coach. Those guys do exist - you'll find them at Louisville, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, UCLA, Cuse, G'Town. And if you find them elsewhere, they will soon be on their way there.

I have always had a real viable solution to Al's problems. Instead of having assistants like Pat Duquette and Mo Cassara who barely have their feet wet in the game, and don't have the cache to tell Al that he is fucking up a game, try hiring an old school guy that Al would defer to. His laid back demeanor would be counterbalanced by an old school hoop guy that can take over the huddle, call timeouts, draw up inbounds plays and perhaps work up a viable alternative to the flex (which I have always thought was a fucking CYO offense). Calhoun and Boeheim have always had a guy like that. Perhaps it is a defensive specialist like many of the NBA guys - Rivers has one of those.

This is a real solution. Not firing Al. Take the the clipboard away from him.

This is all just another way of saying, "he's ok, but at BC we can't expect much better, so let's just settle for him."

[twballgame9]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

There are a lot of better coaches than Al. Al is a good one, but as I have said many times, he does some things that drive me nuts. I don't like his style, for example - I prefer a hands on coach in college. But his success with the NBA style is undeniable.

I won't get into the tourney discussion again, but I only have a problem with one of the losses that Al exited the tourney with - UWM. The remainder were better teams, #1 seed Nova, #2 seed G'Town, National Runner Up Georgia Tech. I suppose you could make a big deal about the loss by the 01 team, but anyone that thinks that team was really good didn't watch them play. They had one legit player, Bell, a decent tweener in Sidney, and a bunch of guys that wouldn't crack the lineup on this year's team - Beerbohm, Agbai, Harley, Singletary. Fact is that the Big East was way down in the early 00s, but despite that, that BC team overachieved just to win the BE titles.

So the lack of postseason success leads to knee jerk disappoint. "Should have gone further" replaces lost to some good teams. When you remind people that they lost to some good teams, then they say "well, it was the way they lost to a team that was better than them." It is revisionist history in its worst form.

My problems with Al are mostly in game strategy. He's not good at it. He relies on the players to fix their own shit. But hiring a new coach means you give up a lot of the things that Al has that are good and there is no guarantee that the new guy will have them. OJ and the rest of the fire Al people assume that you can just go find a guy that has all of Al's good traits and yet also can pull 5 star talent to BC and is the perfect in-game coach. Those guys do exist - you'll find them at Louisville, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, UCLA, Cuse, G'Town. And if you find them elsewhere, they will soon be on their way there.

I have always had a real viable solution to Al's problems. Instead of having assistants like Pat Duquette and Mo Cassara who barely have their feet wet in the game, and don't have the cache to tell Al that he is fucking up a game, try hiring an old school guy that Al would defer to. His laid back demeanor would be counterbalanced by an old school hoop guy that can take over the huddle, call timeouts, draw up inbounds plays and perhaps work up a viable alternative to the flex (which I have always thought was a fucking CYO offense). Calhoun and Boeheim have always had a guy like that. Perhaps it is a defensive specialist like many of the NBA guys - Rivers has one of those.

This is a real solution. Not firing Al. Take the the clipboard away from him.

This is all just another way of saying, "he's ok, but at BC we can't expect much better, so let's just settle for him."

No, it's my way of saying you are a worthless fucktard with not so pithy one liners that are neither funny nor intelligible, and little in the way of explanation for your retarded opinions, that makes me laugh a lot when you get fired up to my eternal amusement.

Now, I need to grab another beer. Cheerio, douche.

[Eagledom]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

There are a lot of better coaches than Al. Al is a good one, but as I have said many times, he does some things that drive me nuts. I don't like his style, for example - I prefer a hands on coach in college. But his success with the NBA style is undeniable.

I won't get into the tourney discussion again, but I only have a problem with one of the losses that Al exited the tourney with - UWM. The remainder were better teams, #1 seed Nova, #2 seed G'Town, National Runner Up Georgia Tech. I suppose you could make a big deal about the loss by the 01 team, but anyone that thinks that team was really good didn't watch them play. They had one legit player, Bell, a decent tweener in Sidney, and a bunch of guys that wouldn't crack the lineup on this year's team - Beerbohm, Agbai, Harley, Singletary. Fact is that the Big East was way down in the early 00s, but despite that, that BC team overachieved just to win the BE titles.

So the lack of postseason success leads to knee jerk disappoint. "Should have gone further" replaces lost to some good teams. When you remind people that they lost to some good teams, then they say "well, it was the way they lost to a team that was better than them." It is revisionist history in its worst form.

My problems with Al are mostly in game strategy. He's not good at it. He relies on the players to fix their own shit. But hiring a new coach means you give up a lot of the things that Al has that are good and there is no guarantee that the new guy will have them. OJ and the rest of the fire Al people assume that you can just go find a guy that has all of Al's good traits and yet also can pull 5 star talent to BC and is the perfect in-game coach. Those guys do exist - you'll find them at Louisville, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, UCLA, Cuse, G'Town. And if you find them elsewhere, they will soon be on their way there.

I have always had a real viable solution to Al's problems. Instead of having assistants like Pat Duquette and Mo Cassara who barely have their feet wet in the game, and don't have the cache to tell Al that he is fucking up a game, try hiring an old school guy that Al would defer to. His laid back demeanor would be counterbalanced by an old school hoop guy that can take over the huddle, call timeouts, draw up inbounds plays and perhaps work up a viable alternative to the flex (which I have always thought was a fucking CYO offense). Calhoun and Boeheim have always had a guy like that. Perhaps it is a defensive specialist like many of the NBA guys - Rivers has one of those.

This is a real solution. Not firing Al. Take the the clipboard away from him.

This is all just another way of saying, "he's ok, but at BC we can't expect much better, so let's just settle for him."

No, it's my way of saying you are a worthless fucktard with not so pithy one liners that are neither funny nor intelligible, and little in the way of explanation for your retarded opinions, that makes me laugh a lot when you get fired up to my eternal amusement.

Now, I need to grab another beer. Cheerio, douche.

"we are what we are. we might do worse, so let's keep Al"

[twballgame9]

Ballgame,

Without joining the fire All caucus, will you at least acknowledge that im Baron is a much better coach than Al? I would think any objective observer would have to acknowledge that unassailable fact.

There are a lot of better coaches than Al. Al is a good one, but as I have said many times, he does some things that drive me nuts. I don't like his style, for example - I prefer a hands on coach in college. But his success with the NBA style is undeniable.

I won't get into the tourney discussion again, but I only have a problem with one of the losses that Al exited the tourney with - UWM. The remainder were better teams, #1 seed Nova, #2 seed G'Town, National Runner Up Georgia Tech. I suppose you could make a big deal about the loss by the 01 team, but anyone that thinks that team was really good didn't watch them play. They had one legit player, Bell, a decent tweener in Sidney, and a bunch of guys that wouldn't crack the lineup on this year's team - Beerbohm, Agbai, Harley, Singletary. Fact is that the Big East was way down in the early 00s, but despite that, that BC team overachieved just to win the BE titles.

So the lack of postseason success leads to knee jerk disappoint. "Should have gone further" replaces lost to some good teams. When you remind people that they lost to some good teams, then they say "well, it was the way they lost to a team that was better than them." It is revisionist history in its worst form.

My problems with Al are mostly in game strategy. He's not good at it. He relies on the players to fix their own shit. But hiring a new coach means you give up a lot of the things that Al has that are good and there is no guarantee that the new guy will have them. OJ and the rest of the fire Al people assume that you can just go find a guy that has all of Al's good traits and yet also can pull 5 star talent to BC and is the perfect in-game coach. Those guys do exist - you'll find them at Louisville, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, UCLA, Cuse, G'Town. And if you find them elsewhere, they will soon be on their way there.

I have always had a real viable solution to Al's problems. Instead of having assistants like Pat Duquette and Mo Cassara who barely have their feet wet in the game, and don't have the cache to tell Al that he is fucking up a game, try hiring an old school guy that Al would defer to. His laid back demeanor would be counterbalanced by an old school hoop guy that can take over the huddle, call timeouts, draw up inbounds plays and perhaps work up a viable alternative to the flex (which I have always thought was a fucking CYO offense). Calhoun and Boeheim have always had a guy like that. Perhaps it is a defensive specialist like many of the NBA guys - Rivers has one of those.

This is a real solution. Not firing Al. Take the the clipboard away from him.

This is all just another way of saying, "he's ok, but at BC we can't expect much better, so let's just settle for him."

No, it's my way of saying you are a worthless fucktard with not so pithy one liners that are neither funny nor intelligible, and little in the way of explanation for your retarded opinions, that makes me laugh a lot when you get fired up to my eternal amusement.

Now, I need to grab another beer. Cheerio, douche.

"we are what we are. we might do worse, so let's keep Al"

No, I agree with you, we should definitely go hire the coach that makes no mistakes. And we should definitely pay $2.5 million for a coach. Both good ideas.