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Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:39 pm
by BCEagles25
We were having this discussion on some thread, but next year's team looks good... so lets start imagining now?

Nice smallball:

Ky Bowman
Robinson
Chatman
Hamilton
Steffon Mitchell

Probably what it'll be:
Bowman
Robinson
Hamilton
Mitchell
Pop

Would be nice:
Bowman
Robinson
Hamilton
Hawkins
Pop

With- Luka, Chatman, Mitchell, Tabbs, Baker off the bench



Post 9.8 earthquake with few survivors:
Avery Wilson
Vin Baker Jr
Meznieks
John Cahill
The guy from Harvard who could shoot

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:12 pm
by TobaccoRoadEagle
i thought bowman was a lock for the nba and would not be back next year

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:55 pm
by DavidGordonsFoot
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i thought bowman was a lock for the nba and would not be back next year

Shut up, Wacko Tobacco.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:28 pm
by TobaccoRoadEagle
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i thought bowman was a lock for the nba and would not be back next year

Shut up, Wacko Tobacco.

did you forget to sign in as glacier?

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:01 pm
by eagle9903
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i thought bowman was a lock for the nba and would not be back next year

Shut up, Wacko Tobacco.

did you forget to sign in as glacier?


I’ve suspected this as well.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:43 pm
by twballgame9
eagle9903 wrote:
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i thought bowman was a lock for the nba and would not be back next year

Shut up, Wacko Tobacco.

did you forget to sign in as glacier?


I’ve suspected this as well.


No

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:32 pm
by eepstein0
BCEagles25 wrote:We were having this discussion on some thread, but next year's team looks good... so lets start imagining now?

Nice smallball:

Ky Bowman
Robinson
Chatman
Hamilton
Steffon Mitchell

Probably what it'll be:
Bowman
Robinson
Hamilton
Mitchell
Pop

Would be nice:
Bowman
Robinson
Hamilton
Hawkins
Pop

With- Luka, Chatman, Mitchell, Tabbs, Baker off the bench



Post 9.8 earthquake with few survivors:
Avery Wilson
Vin Baker Jr
Meznieks
John Cahill
The guy from Harvard who could shoot


The “Would be Nice” lineup has promise.

Those top two lineups will go some variation of 6-12 in the ACC.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:45 pm
by BCEagles25
eepstein0 wrote:
BCEagles25 wrote:We were having this discussion on some thread, but next year's team looks good... so lets start imagining now?

Nice smallball:

Ky Bowman
Robinson
Chatman
Hamilton
Steffon Mitchell

Probably what it'll be:
Bowman
Robinson
Hamilton
Mitchell
Pop

Would be nice:
Bowman
Robinson
Hamilton
Hawkins
Pop

With- Luka, Chatman, Mitchell, Tabbs, Baker off the bench



Post 9.8 earthquake with few survivors:
Avery Wilson
Vin Baker Jr
Meznieks
John Cahill
The guy from Harvard who could shoot


The “Would be Nice” lineup has promise.

Those top two lineups will go some variation of 6-12 in the ACC.


Yeah I wonder if Hawkins will be here next year.. I mean he should, but it takes a while to file a 6th year redshirt, and who knows if administration will get them in on time

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:45 pm
by BCEagles25
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i thought bowman was a lock for the nba and would not be back next year


If he's gone we'll throw Shinskie in there, he can line up under guard in this sport too

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:45 pm
by Corporal Funishment
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i thought bowman was a lock for the nba and would not be back next year

Shut up, Wacko Tobacco.


Pull the gerbils out and jam a foot in it

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:01 pm
by BCEagles25
Suddenly a relevant thread

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:53 am
by claver2010
claver2010 wrote:what's our scholarship situation heading into the offseason? i thought we're currently full


going to move this here from the nit thread

so the limit for scholarships is 13, next year we have:

SR (3): Robinson, Chatman, Mez
JR (4): Reyes, Bowman, Pop, Hamilton
SO (4): Steff, VBJ, Luka, Wilson
FR (2): Hamilton, Tabbs

so if someone new is coming, then someone is leaving

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:59 am
by TobaccoRoadEagle
claver2010 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:what's our scholarship situation heading into the offseason? i thought we're currently full


going to move this here from the nit thread

so the limit for scholarships is 13, next year we have:

SR (3): Robinson, Chatman, Mez
JR (4): Reyes, Bowman, Pop, Hamilton
SO (4): Steff, VBJ, Luka, Wilson
FR (2): Hamilton, Tabbs

so if someone new is coming, then someone is leaving

do you mean in addition to bowman and jrob, or did you not factor them in your math for some reason?

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:24 am
by twballgame9
They don't need a PG. They'll be fine with Bowman and his turnovers. And if he improves in that area he might actually be able to leave early next year.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:05 am
by Primetime
twballgame9 wrote:They don't need a PG. They'll be fine with Bowman and his turnovers. And if he improves in that area he might actually be able to leave early next year.


AST TO Min Min/TO
Bowman 165 112 1337 11.9
Robinson 116 96 1260 13.1
Popovic 45 66 911 13.8
Mitchell 72 37 1128 30.5
Chatman 54 28 1250 44.6
Kraljevic 16 24 290 12.1
Reyes 6 24 355 14.8
Hawkins 8 18 225 12.5

Bowman turns the ball over a lot, but he also makes plays happen. Popovic is actually much more of a turnover machine.

EDIT: The chart is barely readable but you get the point.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:30 am
by twballgame9
Primetime wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:They don't need a PG. They'll be fine with Bowman and his turnovers. And if he improves in that area he might actually be able to leave early next year.


AST TO Min Min/TO
Bowman 165 112 1337 11.9
Robinson 116 96 1260 13.1
Popovic 45 66 911 13.8
Mitchell 72 37 1128 30.5
Chatman 54 28 1250 44.6
Kraljevic 16 24 290 12.1
Reyes 6 24 355 14.8
Hawkins 8 18 225 12.5

Bowman turns the ball over a lot, but he also makes plays happen. Popovic is actually much more of a turnover machine.

EDIT: The chart is barely readable but you get the point.


If Popovic were a PG, he would be relevant to the discussion. Bowman turns the ball over way too ofter for a PG, which was the point. But they can live with it, which was my point.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:07 am
by eepstein0
twballgame9 wrote:
Primetime wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:They don't need a PG. They'll be fine with Bowman and his turnovers. And if he improves in that area he might actually be able to leave early next year.


AST TO Min Min/TO
Bowman 165 112 1337 11.9
Robinson 116 96 1260 13.1
Popovic 45 66 911 13.8
Mitchell 72 37 1128 30.5
Chatman 54 28 1250 44.6
Kraljevic 16 24 290 12.1
Reyes 6 24 355 14.8
Hawkins 8 18 225 12.5

Bowman turns the ball over a lot, but he also makes plays happen. Popovic is actually much more of a turnover machine.

EDIT: The chart is barely readable but you get the point.


If Popovic were a PG, he would be relevant to the discussion. Bowman turns the ball over way too ofter for a PG, which was the point. But they can live with it, which was my point.


An Assist:Turnover ratio of 1.47 is really bad. He makes terrible decisions with the basketball.

Popovic is irrelevant for this discussion.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:08 am
by eepstein0
claver2010 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:what's our scholarship situation heading into the offseason? i thought we're currently full


going to move this here from the nit thread

so the limit for scholarships is 13, next year we have:

SR (3): Robinson, Chatman, Mez
JR (4): Reyes, Bowman, Pop, Hamilton
SO (4): Steff, VBJ, Luka, Wilson
FR (2): Hamilton, Tabbs

so if someone new is coming, then someone is leaving


If Hawkins were granted a 6th year I've been told they'll make room. Otherwise I think they're done for 2018.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:09 am
by Primetime
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Primetime wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:They don't need a PG. They'll be fine with Bowman and his turnovers. And if he improves in that area he might actually be able to leave early next year.


AST TO Min Min/TO
Bowman 165 112 1337 11.9
Robinson 116 96 1260 13.1
Popovic 45 66 911 13.8
Mitchell 72 37 1128 30.5
Chatman 54 28 1250 44.6
Kraljevic 16 24 290 12.1
Reyes 6 24 355 14.8
Hawkins 8 18 225 12.5

Bowman turns the ball over a lot, but he also makes plays happen. Popovic is actually much more of a turnover machine.

EDIT: The chart is barely readable but you get the point.


If Popovic were a PG, he would be relevant to the discussion. Bowman turns the ball over way too ofter for a PG, which was the point. But they can live with it, which was my point.


An Assist:Turnover ratio of 1.47 is really bad. He makes terrible decisions with the basketball.

Popovic is irrelevant for this discussion.


I guess my point was as a team, they ALL turn the ball over a lot and everybody needs to improve. The players with the ball in their hands the most (Bowman/Robinson) are going to have the most TO. And as was stated, I guess we can live with it from Bowman.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:36 am
by Dick Rosenthal
Hey, I got a question. Is Jim Christian still going to be the coach of this team next year? What's that you say? Yes? Okay. Next year they will definitely have a chance to advance deeper in the NIT. Awesome!

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:47 am
by claver2010
they really need to get something more than steff out of that FR class

pop, for all the garbage he takes from the fanbase, put up 12-7 and shot 54% over the last 11 games (I know, arbitrary endpoints). I'd sign up for that next year

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:49 am
by eepstein0
Primetime wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Primetime wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:They don't need a PG. They'll be fine with Bowman and his turnovers. And if he improves in that area he might actually be able to leave early next year.


AST TO Min Min/TO
Bowman 165 112 1337 11.9
Robinson 116 96 1260 13.1
Popovic 45 66 911 13.8
Mitchell 72 37 1128 30.5
Chatman 54 28 1250 44.6
Kraljevic 16 24 290 12.1
Reyes 6 24 355 14.8
Hawkins 8 18 225 12.5

Bowman turns the ball over a lot, but he also makes plays happen. Popovic is actually much more of a turnover machine.

EDIT: The chart is barely readable but you get the point.


If Popovic were a PG, he would be relevant to the discussion. Bowman turns the ball over way too ofter for a PG, which was the point. But they can live with it, which was my point.


An Assist:Turnover ratio of 1.47 is really bad. He makes terrible decisions with the basketball.

Popovic is irrelevant for this discussion.


I guess my point was as a team, they ALL turn the ball over a lot and everybody needs to improve. The players with the ball in their hands the most (Bowman/Robinson) are going to have the most TO. And as was stated, I guess we can live with it from Bowman.


Agreed, but you still can't win games when you PG is committing games with 7 and 8 TOs.

I like Ky Bowman as a player, but not as a PG.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:21 pm
by TobaccoRoadEagle
eepstein0 wrote:
Primetime wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Primetime wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:They don't need a PG. They'll be fine with Bowman and his turnovers. And if he improves in that area he might actually be able to leave early next year.


AST TO Min Min/TO
Bowman 165 112 1337 11.9
Robinson 116 96 1260 13.1
Popovic 45 66 911 13.8
Mitchell 72 37 1128 30.5
Chatman 54 28 1250 44.6
Kraljevic 16 24 290 12.1
Reyes 6 24 355 14.8
Hawkins 8 18 225 12.5

Bowman turns the ball over a lot, but he also makes plays happen. Popovic is actually much more of a turnover machine.

EDIT: The chart is barely readable but you get the point.


If Popovic were a PG, he would be relevant to the discussion. Bowman turns the ball over way too ofter for a PG, which was the point. But they can live with it, which was my point.


An Assist:Turnover ratio of 1.47 is really bad. He makes terrible decisions with the basketball.

Popovic is irrelevant for this discussion.


I guess my point was as a team, they ALL turn the ball over a lot and everybody needs to improve. The players with the ball in their hands the most (Bowman/Robinson) are going to have the most TO. And as was stated, I guess we can live with it from Bowman.


Agreed, but you still can't win games when you PG is committing games with 7 and 8 TOs.

I like Ky Bowman as a player, but not as a PG.

hey micro - this is the guy that says coaching isn't important in the ncaas. you might as well have a detailed discussion with me about sports games and their intricacies and nuances or knowspace about charity stripe and down-town shooting percentages for all the knowledge you're going to get in return out of ol' emptychair.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:25 pm
by MattTheEagle
Bowman needs to play PG for as long as Jrob is here. They are too good on the floor together to substitute in a true point guard.

If everyone returns this team can be really good next year.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:43 pm
by eepstein0
MattTheEagle wrote:Bowman needs to play PG for as long as Jrob is here. They are too good on the floor together to substitute in a true point guard.

If everyone returns this team can be really good next year.


PG, Bowman, Robinson, Hamilton & Mitchell.

Switch Pop for Mitchell when the other team plays with a big man (most don't).

Let Bowman do what he does best (attack the basket) without having to handle the ball and make decisions.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:57 pm
by eepstein0
claver2010 wrote:they really need to get something more than steff out of that FR class

pop, for all the garbage he takes from the fanbase, put up 12-7 and shot 54% over the last 11 games (I know, arbitrary endpoints). I'd sign up for that next year


The next step for Popovic is to become a better athlete. He's an easy 15-10 player if he improved his athleticism.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:09 pm
by 2001Eagle
eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:they really need to get something more than steff out of that FR class

pop, for all the garbage he takes from the fanbase, put up 12-7 and shot 54% over the last 11 games (I know, arbitrary endpoints). I'd sign up for that next year


The next step for Popovic is to become a better athlete. He's an easy 15-10 player if he improved his athleticism.


What do you recommend he do?

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:04 pm
by MattTheEagle
eepstein0 wrote:
MattTheEagle wrote:Bowman needs to play PG for as long as Jrob is here. They are too good on the floor together to substitute in a true point guard.

If everyone returns this team can be really good next year.


PG, Bowman, Robinson, Hamilton & Mitchell.

Switch Pop for Mitchell when the other team plays with a big man (most don't).

Let Bowman do what he does best (attack the basket) without having to handle the ball and make decisions.

That lineup would get killed in ACC play. I like Mitchell, but he shouldn't be guarding an ACC 5 (Ryan Anderson says hello).

Bowman at PG isn't the problem. Look at last 10 years and tell me one BC player you'd rather start at PG over Bowman...

Past PG starters are:
Carter - not a true point guard and not even a remotely good player
Hanlan - good player, but bad PG; I'll take Bowman over him
Jordan Daniels - True PG, I actually liked him more than most on here. He had a good handle on the ball and a player like him could provide solid minutes off the bench at point to give our guards rest, but he'd have no business starting on the current BC team
Biko Paris - meh, better PG but overall I'd still rather have Bowman play PG.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:37 pm
by eepstein0
MattTheEagle wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
MattTheEagle wrote:Bowman needs to play PG for as long as Jrob is here. They are too good on the floor together to substitute in a true point guard.

If everyone returns this team can be really good next year.


PG, Bowman, Robinson, Hamilton & Mitchell.

Switch Pop for Mitchell when the other team plays with a big man (most don't).

Let Bowman do what he does best (attack the basket) without having to handle the ball and make decisions.

That lineup would get killed in ACC play. I like Mitchell, but he shouldn't be guarding an ACC 5 (Ryan Anderson says hello).

Bowman at PG isn't the problem. Look at last 10 years and tell me one BC player you'd rather start at PG over Bowman...

Past PG starters are:
Carter - not a true point guard and not even a remotely good player
Hanlan - good player, but bad PG; I'll take Bowman over him
Jordan Daniels - True PG, I actually liked him more than most on here. He had a good handle on the ball and a player like him could provide solid minutes off the bench at point to give our guards rest, but he'd have no business starting on the current BC team
Biko Paris - meh, better PG but overall I'd still rather have Bowman play PG.


How many teams in the ACC have a 5? BCs best lineup this year was with Hawkins and Mitchell together at the 4-5.

All those PGs led BC to various 10-22 records.

Re: Next Year Lineup/Rotation

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:59 am
by BCEagles25
The whole "empty chair" argument is sideways stupid, but a wet Def Leppard t-shirt could coach the most optimistic lineup of Bowman-Robinson-Hamilton-Mitchell-Hawkins to an NCAA 4-seed. Good coaching brings that to the elite 8. Plus Pop, Chatman, Tabbs, Luka, Reyes, older Hamilton? You're looking at the best team since '06-'07.