Official fire JC thread

by **tallsy** on Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:30 pm

I don' think MAC is the problem. I liked Dambrot from Akron who might be too old now. It's pretty clear everyone thought Donahue was going to do good enough to get one more year so Bates wasn't hired with the idea he'd have to make an immediate decision on hoops.

by **ATLeagle** on Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:37 pm

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:i find it hard to believe that somebody from our athletic department in the last 10 years has found his or her way to a more respected athletic department

If you've ever dealt with these people, it's this.

UCLA's Athletic Department CFO is a BC grad who got his start BC.

by **Dick Rosenthal** on Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:36 am

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:i find it hard to believe that somebody from our athletic department in the last 10 years has found his or her way to a more respected athletic department

If you've ever dealt with these people, it's this.

Was basically fresh out of college and spent a year at BC before moving to a higher end P5 conference program where he is now doing fund raising. Said that the hire was coming out of the MAC come hell or high water and when Christian emerged as the club house leader a couple of Big XII people reached out to warn them that it would be a really bad fit and that Bates dismissed them without circulating the reports.

Jibes with what I heard from a friend who is a big TCU booster who told me that they reached out to some BOT people they have business relationships with to warn them about Christian and that they were shocked to find that they (the BC BOT folks) had no view or input into the hiring process.

by **eepstein0** on Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:01 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:i find it hard to believe that somebody from our athletic department in the last 10 years has found his or her way to a more respected athletic department

If you've ever dealt with these people, it's this.

Was basically fresh out of college and spent a year at BC before moving to a higher end P5 conference program where he is now doing fund raising. Said that the hire was coming out of the MAC come hell or high water and when Christian emerged as the club house leader a couple of Big XII people reached out to warn them that it would be a really bad fit and that Bates dismissed them without circulating the reports.

Jibes with what I heard from a friend who is a big TCU booster who told me that they reached out to some BOT people they have business relationships with to warn them about Christian and that they were shocked to find that they (the BC BOT folks) had no view or input into the hiring process.

I don't think JC is a bad coaching, he's just not the right guy to fix this dumpster fire.

They need to hire someone with name cache that kids will come okay for. This is the reason Pat Skerry and Mark Schmidt are terrible ideas. The kids those guys currently get would get absolutely blasted night after night in the ACC.

The fact JC has 3.5 useful players after 3 years is really bad. And no, Turner and Chatman are not useful players.

by **longdistanceeagle** on Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:17 pm

JC never coached in the Big XII. Why would anyone there have made a comment?

by **longdistanceeagle** on Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:18 pm

JC never coached in the Big XII. Why would anyone there have made a comment?

by **twballgame9** on Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:57 pm

longdistanceeagle {l Wrote}:JC never coached in the Big XII. Why would anyone there have made a comment?

That's right, he failed miserably at TCU before they switched to a Big Boy conference. In fact he left because they were switching to a Big Boy conference.

by **commavegarage** on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:51 pm

Serious question - in Jim Christian's 89 games here, what is his best win?

in 2014-15 he beat providence who lost in the first round of the ncaas. he beat harvard who lost in the first round of the ncaas. the best acc win was over nc state, who came in 7th place out of 15 in the acc that year.

in 2015-16 he did not beat a team that made the ncaa tournament.

in 2016-17 auburn? who is in the bottom half of the sec. providence? who is in the bottom third of the big east. cuse? who is in 7th place out of 15 in the acc.

just incredible futility. the guy cannot leave soon enough.

and what do we have to show for it?

robinson can definitely play. bowman can definitely play.

turner im nearing giving up on. he has the body for the acc but nothing else. popovic maybe?

what a fucking shitshow.

by **HJS** on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:56 am

ILikeBC {l Wrote}:
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:GWU fired lonergan 2 months after opening an investigation into him being verbally abusive. I guess 13 players transferred from the program over 5 years. So it looks like he won't be replacing JC

Apparently all his gay players hated the homophobic slurs

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... port-shows
Seems Eustachy has also fallen victim to hurting the feelings of special snowflakes. Have to think that Daz wouldn't be able to survive in many programs beyond BC and the service academies.

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:28 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
ILikeBC {l Wrote}:
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:GWU fired lonergan 2 months after opening an investigation into him being verbally abusive. I guess 13 players transferred from the program over 5 years. So it looks like he won't be replacing JC

Apparently all his gay players hated the homophobic slurs

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... port-shows
Seems Eustachy has also fallen victim to hurting the feelings of special snowflakes. Have to think that Daz wouldn't be able to survive in many programs beyond BC and the service academies.

i didn't read the whole article. were they fearful hes was going to drink their beer and fuck their women?

by **DuchesneEast** on Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:03 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
ILikeBC {l Wrote}:
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:GWU fired lonergan 2 months after opening an investigation into him being verbally abusive. I guess 13 players transferred from the program over 5 years. So it looks like he won't be replacing JC

Apparently all his gay players hated the homophobic slurs

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... port-shows
Seems Eustachy has also fallen victim to hurting the feelings of special snowflakes. Have to think that Daz wouldn't be able to survive in many programs beyond BC and the service academies.

i didn't read the whole article. were they fearful hes was going to drink their beer and fuck their women?

If you Google him, Pearl and Petrino show up.

by **HJS** on Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:53 pm

Gottfried fired at RCC.

by **eepstein0** on Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:13 am

HJS {l Wrote}:Gottfried fired at RCC.

That's a shame

by **Dick Rosenthal** on Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:34 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
longdistanceeagle {l Wrote}:JC never coached in the Big XII. Why would anyone there have made a comment?

That's right, he failed miserably at TCU before they switched to a Big Boy conference. In fact he left because they were switching to a Big Boy conference.

This. The word at TCU, which filtered around the Big XII, was that Christian wet himself and self-identified himself back to the MAC at the thought of having to coach against some actual basketball powers. The notion Bates hired him to coach at a school with a far smaller appetite for athletic success than TCU to coach in a conference that is superior to the Big XII.

by **eepstein0** on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:25 am

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
longdistanceeagle {l Wrote}:JC never coached in the Big XII. Why would anyone there have made a comment?

That's right, he failed miserably at TCU before they switched to a Big Boy conference. In fact he left because they were switching to a Big Boy conference.

This. The word at TCU, which filtered around the Big XII, was that Christian wet himself and self-identified himself back to the MAC at the thought of having to coach against some actual basketball powers. The notion Bates hired him to coach at a school with a far smaller appetite for athletic success than TCU to coach in a conference that is superior to the Big XII.

In fairness I think Bates still has no idea we play in the ACC

by **Corporal Funishment** on Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:52 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
longdistanceeagle {l Wrote}:JC never coached in the Big XII. Why would anyone there have made a comment?

That's right, he failed miserably at TCU before they switched to a Big Boy conference. In fact he left because they were switching to a Big Boy conference.

This. The word at TCU, which filtered around the Big XII, was that Christian wet himself and self-identified himself back to the MAC at the thought of having to coach against some actual basketball powers. The notion Bates hired him to coach at a school with a far smaller appetite for athletic success than TCU to coach in a conference that is superior to the Big XII.

If he didn't want to coach against "actual basketball powers" then why did he accept a job in the ACC?

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:33 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
longdistanceeagle {l Wrote}:JC never coached in the Big XII. Why would anyone there have made a comment?

That's right, he failed miserably at TCU before they switched to a Big Boy conference. In fact he left because they were switching to a Big Boy conference.

This. The word at TCU, which filtered around the Big XII, was that Christian wet himself and self-identified himself back to the MAC at the thought of having to coach against some actual basketball powers. The notion Bates hired him to coach at a school with a far smaller appetite for athletic success than TCU to coach in a conference that is superior to the Big XII.

If he didn't want to coach against "actual basketball powers" then why did he accept a job in the ACC?

to buy himself a bigger mac paycheck once he gets fired here

by **Logitano** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:47 am

I think today's news pretty much insures JC is back next season. The team is clearly not getting better and we have how many open scholarships for next year? :ace

by **Corporal Funishment** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:50 am

I think next year was the show-me year for Christian either way

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:00 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I think next year was the show-me year for Christian either way

so as long as he bare minimums, like ts slaughter did, he will be here for as long as he wants to stay...

oh goodie

by **twballgame9** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:10 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I think next year was the show-me year for Christian either way

so as long as he bare minimums, like ts slaughter did, he will be here for as long as he wants to stay...

oh goodie

He hasn't shown an ability to bare minimum yet, unlike slaughter, who has proven he can get to 7 or 8 despite sucking. Probably tougher job for Christian, but he isn't going to coast on what he is doing right now.

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:18 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I think next year was the show-me year for Christian either way

so as long as he bare minimums, like ts slaughter did, he will be here for as long as he wants to stay...

oh goodie

He hasn't shown an ability to bare minimum yet, unlike slaughter, who has proven he can get to 7 or 8 despite sucking. Probably tougher job for Christian, but he isn't going to coast on what he is doing right now.

to your point... what is bare minimum for a basketball coach? i'd say making the tournament is above bare minimum so what is the mendoza line for h00pZ?

is 0.500 fair? beeker got to 0.500 and that still felt like a failure so i'd argue 0.500 isn't good enough (but i've been told throughout my life that my expectations are too high).

0.500 in conference seems to be too high a bar so maybe just a flat out 0.500 for the season. he's not making that this year. and, to your point, i'm not so sure he's making that next year either

by **twballgame9** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:49 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I think next year was the show-me year for Christian either way

so as long as he bare minimums, like ts slaughter did, he will be here for as long as he wants to stay...

oh goodie

He hasn't shown an ability to bare minimum yet, unlike slaughter, who has proven he can get to 7 or 8 despite sucking. Probably tougher job for Christian, but he isn't going to coast on what he is doing right now.

to your point... what is bare minimum for a basketball coach? i'd say making the tournament is above bare minimum so what is the mendoza line for h00pZ?

is 0.500 fair? beeker got to 0.500 and that still felt like a failure so i'd argue 0.500 isn't good enough (but i've been told throughout my life that my expectations are too high).

0.500 in conference seems to be too high a bar so maybe just a flat out 0.500 for the season. he's not making that this year. and, to your point, i'm not so sure he's making that next year either

Mendoza line in the ACC in hoop this season would have been 17-14 (7-11). 3-4 more OOC games was easily doable this season. However, 5 more ACC wins is kind of a stretch, although they certainly should have gotten to 4 or 5 total.

by **eepstein0** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:54 pm

Look at the roster next year. How on earth is he getting to .500?

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:18 pm

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Look at the roster next year. How on earth is he getting to .500?

so clearly you're the "sky is falling" eo coaching staff and teddy is the "way too overly optimistic about how many games the team is going to win" eo coaching staff.

the question all of us have is... which one is the catcher of the eo coaching staffs

by **eepstein0** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:44 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Look at the roster next year. How on earth is he getting to .500?

so clearly you're the "sky is falling" eo coaching staff and teddy is the "way too overly optimistic about how many games the team is going to win" eo coaching staff.

the question all of us have is... which one is the catcher of the eo coaching staffs

The only guys over 6'6" on next year's roster are Popovic and Reyes. That is terrifying

by **Logitano** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:56 pm

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Look at the roster next year. How on earth is he getting to .500?

so clearly you're the "sky is falling" eo coaching staff and teddy is the "way too overly optimistic about how many games the team is going to win" eo coaching staff.

the question all of us have is... which one is the catcher of the eo coaching staffs

The only guys over 6'6" on next year's roster are Popovic and Reyes. That is terrifying

How many open scholarships do we have for next year? :ace

by **Corporal Funishment** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:12 pm

I think he needs roughly 7-8 wins next year not to get fired, but that estimate is dependent on things like how well he's recruiting and if we have a bunch of injuries as well

.500 at BC is extension territory as we all know

edit to answer question: it's 4 open scholarships next year AFTER you count Kraljevic as a filled scholarship. There is a 99% chance we have a 5th year at either the 4 or 5

by **eepstein0** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:36 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I think he needs roughly 7-8 wins next year not to get fired, but that estimate is dependent on things like how well he's recruiting and if we have a bunch of injuries as well

.500 at BC is extension territory as we all know

edit to answer question: it's 4 open scholarships next year AFTER you count Kraljevic as a filled scholarship. There is a 99% chance we have a 5th year at either the 4 or 5

I forgot about the 180 lb Euro kid who they expect to be ready to play the 4 in the ACC. Good luck with that

by **eepstein0** on Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:37 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I think he needs roughly 7-8 wins next year not to get fired, but that estimate is dependent on things like how well he's recruiting and if we have a bunch of injuries as well

.500 at BC is extension territory as we all know

edit to answer question: it's 4 open scholarships next year AFTER you count Kraljevic as a filled scholarship. There is a 99% chance we have a 5th year at either the 4 or 5

7-8 ACC wins will absolutely keep him. There is no way he gets there

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