by Corporal Funishment on Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:45 pm
by TobaccoRoadEagle on Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:51 pm
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:Owens is going to be seeing even less playing time when Jackson comes back. I don't think the positives he brings at this point outweigh the negatives.
Another thought that occurred to me during the game: Huckaby making that comment about Hanlan taking 228 foul shots last year and most guys needing four years to take that many shots is as reliable as clockwork. He's said it every game I've listened to.
by twballgame9 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:46 pm
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Without Clifford I see this as a <10 win team, unless Diallo is immediately useful, which I don't think he will be but don't know.
This isn't me saying Clifford is a particularly good player, it is simply saying that he takes up space and can move up and down the court, set screens, defend the inbounds (maybe with line stepping) and is occasionally good for a put back and that there is a crater behind him on the roster, Magarity Providence flashes turning into consistency and/or Diallo showing something notwithstanding. Now if he was healthy...
I'm fine with starting Owens and keeping him in the game for the 4.5 minutes he would last before fouling out , there would likely be at least an attempted alley-oop during that period (I think he is ~.900 pts below Beerbohm in alley-oop completion percentage, but it always looks like it should work). Speaking siriuzly, I get that he provides something otherwise lacking from the roster, I just am not optimistic about his progress.
by eagle9903 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:44 pm
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Without Clifford I see this as a <10 win team, unless Diallo is immediately useful, which I don't think he will be but don't know.
This isn't me saying Clifford is a particularly good player, it is simply saying that he takes up space and can move up and down the court, set screens, defend the inbounds (maybe with line stepping) and is occasionally good for a put back and that there is a crater behind him on the roster, Magarity Providence flashes turning into consistency and/or Diallo showing something notwithstanding. Now if he was healthy...
I'm fine with starting Owens and keeping him in the game for the 4.5 minutes he would last before fouling out , there would likely be at least an attempted alley-oop during that period (I think he is ~.900 pts below Beerbohm in alley-oop completion percentage, but it always looks like it should work). Speaking siriuzly, I get that he provides something otherwise lacking from the roster, I just am not optimistic about his progress.
Clifford makes less than 1% difference in the team win total. This team wins more than 10 games (not much more) with or without him. It's a better team than last year and they at least try to play defense now.
by eepstein0 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:53 pm
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Without Clifford I see this as a <10 win team, unless Diallo is immediately useful, which I don't think he will be but don't know.
This isn't me saying Clifford is a particularly good player, it is simply saying that he takes up space and can move up and down the court, set screens, defend the inbounds (maybe with line stepping) and is occasionally good for a put back and that there is a crater behind him on the roster, Magarity Providence flashes turning into consistency and/or Diallo showing something notwithstanding. Now if he was healthy...
I'm fine with starting Owens and keeping him in the game for the 4.5 minutes he would last before fouling out , there would likely be at least an attempted alley-oop during that period (I think he is ~.900 pts below Beerbohm in alley-oop completion percentage, but it always looks like it should work). Speaking siriuzly, I get that he provides something otherwise lacking from the roster, I just am not optimistic about his progress.
Clifford makes less than 1% difference in the team win total. This team wins more than 10 games (not much more) with or without him. It's a better team than last year and they at least try to play defense now.
by eepstein0 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:55 pm
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:Owens is going to be seeing even less playing time when Jackson comes back. I don't think the positives he brings at this point outweigh the negatives.
Another thought that occurred to me during the game: Huckaby making that comment about Hanlan taking 228 foul shots last year and most guys needing four years to take that many shots is as reliable as clockwork. He's said it every game I've listened to.
by twballgame9 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:07 pm
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Without Clifford I see this as a <10 win team, unless Diallo is immediately useful, which I don't think he will be but don't know.
This isn't me saying Clifford is a particularly good player, it is simply saying that he takes up space and can move up and down the court, set screens, defend the inbounds (maybe with line stepping) and is occasionally good for a put back and that there is a crater behind him on the roster, Magarity Providence flashes turning into consistency and/or Diallo showing something notwithstanding. Now if he was healthy...
I'm fine with starting Owens and keeping him in the game for the 4.5 minutes he would last before fouling out , there would likely be at least an attempted alley-oop during that period (I think he is ~.900 pts below Beerbohm in alley-oop completion percentage, but it always looks like it should work). Speaking siriuzly, I get that he provides something otherwise lacking from the roster, I just am not optimistic about his progress.
Clifford makes less than 1% difference in the team win total. This team wins more than 10 games (not much more) with or without him. It's a better team than last year and they at least try to play defense now.
False. Him simply being tall, rebounding and altering shots on the defensive end has made a big difference. We got killed playing Anderson and Odio at the 5.
He is useless on offense, 100% agreed there
by eagle9903 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:15 pm
by TobaccoRoadEagle on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:33 pm
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:return of clifford >>>>> loss of Anderson
by twballgame9 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:37 pm
by eagle9903 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:48 pm
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:return of clifford >>>>> loss of Anderson
you mean 25/12 anderson?
by DavidGordonsFoot on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:50 pm
by eagle9903 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:53 pm
by eepstein0 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:57 pm
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
only missed three defensive possessions after this dunk.
by twballgame9 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:19 pm
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
only missed three defensive possessions after this dunk.
I'm surprised the rim did not block him.
Anderson was a great offensive player but bad on defense. Clifford is the opposite
by eagle9903 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:31 pm
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
only missed three defensive possessions after this dunk.
I'm surprised the rim did not block him.
Anderson was a great offensive player but bad on defense. Clifford is the opposite
Clifford is just bad at defense and horrid at offense.
by twballgame9 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:55 am
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:the philly intern's still got it.
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