Is BC the most attractive head coaching job available?

[talon]

I don't buy the argument that people HAVE TO attend sporting events and if there is no professional team in the area, they HAVE TO attend college games, regardless of how bad that team is.

People don't go to WF because their only other option is to sit in an empty room staring at a wall for 2 and half hours. People go to WF games because they have a loyal fan base that doesn't jump ship as soon as the team isn't good.

Suppose BC hires Ben Howland. Home run hire. How many years would it take for BC to average 6000+ fans per game. Right away? A year or two?

[twballgame9]

Ignoring cash, which you largely should (its like fans bitching about Ortiz' making 15 million to be a DH - who gives a shit how much of the ghost's money they spend), BC is a much better job than Wake.

I just wanted to point out that, in a thread full of stupid, this may be the stupidest (well at least the comparison). No one is complaining about BC spending money... fans are complaining about BC not spending. A comparable baseball analogy would be Red Sox fans bitching because Henry dropped the team's payroll to $60mm.

No. The point is the money is irrelevant to the question entirely. Sorry if my point wasn't expressed in simple LSAT analogies so that you could understand it. Whether Ortiz is a player you want on the team, or whether the BC job is a good job, is not a question you examine through the prism of cash. Every job would be awesome if it paid $4 million; UNC would be a terrible job if it paid $500k. Its a worthless exercise.

[twballgame9]

I don't buy the argument that people HAVE TO attend sporting events and if there is no professional team in the area, they HAVE TO attend college games, regardless of how bad that team is.

People don't go to WF because their only other option is to sit in an empty room staring at a wall for 2 and half hours. People go to WF games because they have a loyal fan base that doesn't jump ship as soon as the team isn't good.

Suppose BC hires Ben Howland. Home run hire. How many years would it take for BC to average 6000+ fans per game. Right away? A year or two?

People have only so many hours to devote to sports. The most important football game arguably in BC history was on up against Game 4 of the World Series.

You can not buy it all you want, but when there are options, lack of success isn't going to draw the average fan. He'll be at the Fleet Center. In Winston Salem, what does he do? No better example of this than Yankee Stadium over the past 40 years.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

You can not buy it all you want, but when there are options, lack of success isn't going to draw the average fan. He'll be at the Fleet Center. In Winston Salem, what does he do? No better example of this than Yankee Stadium over the past 40 years.

this is all well and good of an argument for weekend games but folks choosing to schlep to the joel for a 9 pm tuesday night game aren't doing so because they don't have anything else to do... they are going out of their way for a product that they enjoy and support. even in the past 10 years where the team, as you've pointed out, has been dog shit

i get your statement that they suck and they are a joke program in the middle of nowhere but that joke program in the middle of nowhere thinks they are something, their fan base thinks they are something, and those both sweeten the pot for a coach that wants excitement and electricity as a part of his complete rebuild.

again - this is nothing more than my opinion but i think it will prove itself to be somewhat accurate when each school names it's next coach. unlike mo.j. - if i'm wrong i'll gladly own up to it and admit to being as bad at predicting basketball program strengths as you are at picking college football and basketball winners

EDIT - jerk

[talon]

If I'm a sports fan in a town w/out a pro team and the college team sucks donkey balls, I'm choosing to stay home and watch good national games on a big screen HDTV over going out to the shitty college.

[twballgame9]

You can not buy it all you want, but when there are options, lack of success isn't going to draw the average fan. He'll be at the Fleet Center. In Winston Salem, what does he do? No better example of this than Yankee Stadium over the past 40 years.

this is all well and good of an argument for weekend games but folks choosing to schlep to the joel for a 9 pm tuesday night game aren't doing so because they don't have anything else to do... they are going out of their way for a product that they enjoy and support. even in the past 10 years where the team, as you've pointed out, has been dog shit

i get your statement that they suck and they are a joke program in the middle of nowhere but that joke program in the middle of nowhere thinks they are something, their fan base thinks they are something, and those both sweeten the pot for a coach that wants excitement and electricity as a part of his complete rebuild.

again - this is nothing more than my opinion but i think it will prove itself to be somewhat accurate when each school names it's next coach. unlike mo.j. - if i'm wrong i'll gladly own up to it and admit to being as bad at predicting basketball program strengths as you are at picking college football and basketball winners

Pretty sure the average potential ACC coach has the confidence to believe he can turn the Conte Morgue into a packed house every game. In most places where there are things to do other than college hoop and rolling tobacco (by the by, why can't Wake get those fans to football games?) success breeds attendance, not the other way around.

PS I am only one point behind you in the brackets. Jerk.

[twballgame9]

If I'm a sports fan in a town w/out a pro team and the college team sucks donkey balls, I'm choosing to stay home and watch good national games on a big screen HDTV over going out to the shitty college.

Most people don't agree with us.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

... (by the by, why can't Wake get those fans to football games?) ...

they can - it's the same 8-10k. it's just less impressive spreading out 8-10k in an arena for 32 than it is in an arena for 14.5

ps - the bears and the wolverines are going to make that 1 point multiply very, very soon

[twballgame9]

... (by the by, why can't Wake get those fans to football games?) ...

they can - it's the same 8-10k. it's just less impressive spreading out 8-10k in an arena for 32 than it is in an arena for 14.5

ps - the bears and the wolverines are going to make that 1 point multiply very, very soon

Eh, you may pick up points with Michigan, but I am feeling I will get them right back with that overrated Baylor team.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

baylor is not overrated because they made both mcdermotts cry. in my mind they earned their worth there and there alone - even if they lose out (which they will not).

i don't know if you remember but 3 point specialist brady heslip of the baylor bears was at one time committed to play basketball for bc. can you imagine what that would have done for beekers teams? they might have been able to win 10 this year

[twballgame9]

baylor is not overrated because they made both mcdermotts cry. in my mind they earned their worth there and there alone - even if they lose out (which they will not).

i don't know if you remember but 3 point specialist brady heslip of the baylor bears was at one time committed to play basketball for bc. can you imagine what that would have done for beekers teams? they might have been able to win 10 this year

Beating Creighton is a poor man's version of beating Wichita State.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

baylor is not overrated because they made both mcdermotts cry. in my mind they earned their worth there and there alone - even if they lose out (which they will not).

i don't know if you remember but 3 point specialist brady heslip of the baylor bears was at one time committed to play basketball for bc. can you imagine what that would have done for beekers teams? they might have been able to win 10 this year

Beating Creighton is a poor man's version of beating Wichita State.

yeah - but hypothetical louisville wouldn't have been able to do it.

ps - i was not touting a creighton win as a sign that baylor is teh awesome... i was applauding their final countdown on mydouggietoobluejay4lyfe

pps - don't forget the badgers received nospace's seal of retard approval

[twballgame9]

baylor is not overrated because they made both mcdermotts cry. in my mind they earned their worth there and there alone - even if they lose out (which they will not).

i don't know if you remember but 3 point specialist brady heslip of the baylor bears was at one time committed to play basketball for bc. can you imagine what that would have done for beekers teams? they might have been able to win 10 this year

Beating Creighton is a poor man's version of beating Wichita State.

yeah - but hypothetical louisville wouldn't have been able to do it.

ps - i was not touting a creighton win as a sign that baylor is teh awesome... i was applauding their final countdown on mydouggietoobluejay4lyfe

pps - don't forget the badgers received nospace's seal of retard approval

The hypothetical Louisville thing was my favorite short bus moment of the weekend.

Wisky and no space are not long for the tourney, but they will make it one more round.

[hinghameagle]

I dont think the issue of living in Winston Salem v. Boston is even a minor consideration for prospective coaches. The single most overriding factor as it always is is the money. That is whwre BC will have a dificult time. I think the important factors after money are conference, current roster, recruiting area and ability, control of program, assistants pay, and facilities.

As to those BC has no problem with conference, recruiting area, control of program. Current roster can go either way, assistants pay and facilities are big holdbacks.

[commavegarage]

The single most overriding factor as it always is is the money.

Didn't Buzz Williams just take a paycut to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars? Hard to believe that the single most overriding factor, always, is the money.

[twballgame9]

I dont think the issue of living in Winston Salem v. Boston is even a minor consideration for prospective coaches. The single most overriding factor as it always is is the money. That is whwre BC will have a dificult time. I think the important factors after money are conference, current roster, recruiting area and ability, control of program, assistants pay, and facilities.

As to those BC has no problem with conference, recruiting area, control of program. Current roster can go either way, assistants pay and facilities are big holdbacks.

Disagree completely, other than the part where you say everything is a consideration.

[twballgame9]

The single most overriding factor as it always is is the money.

Didn't Buzz Williams just take a paycut to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars? Hard to believe that the single most overriding factor, always, is the money.

It's not, but even if it were, BC could pay it. Again, not wanting to hire a big time coach is different than whether a big time coach wanted to come here. Money is on BC and BC alone in this equation.

BC is not some small private college in the Southland Conference with no TV contract. If money is an issue, it is by choice.

[mod6A]

shaka to marquette?

mack to wake?

[flyingelvii]

Traditions are similar.

Wake's tradition is Dave Odom, Randolph Childress, 2 years of CP3 and Timmay. Rodney Rogers sends his regards.

And ours is Goodfellas.

Even accepting the sarcasm, those are two pretty comparable program histories. Gambling v. two good players and a third that bailed early before his team could do anything.

It's not really sarcastic. There is nothing lasting or memorable about BC's basketball program outside of a small handful of guys who have had little to middling success in the NBA, a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC and the Conte ghost. Crapping on Wake's tradition while failing to acknowledge ours somehow manages to be slightly inferior is disingenuous at best.

[twballgame9]

Traditions are similar.

Wake's tradition is Dave Odom, Randolph Childress, 2 years of CP3 and Timmay. Rodney Rogers sends his regards.

And ours is Goodfellas.

Even accepting the sarcasm, those are two pretty comparable program histories. Gambling v. two good players and a third that bailed early before his team could do anything.

It's not really sarcastic. There is nothing lasting or memorable about BC's basketball program outside of a small handful of guys who have had little to middling success in the NBA, a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC and the Conte ghost. Crapping on Wake's tradition while failing to acknowledge ours somehow manages to be slightly inferior is disingenuous at best.

This is completely fair if you ignore all of the years prior to 1990.

Wakes tradition is terrible. Coaches alone at BC smoke Wake's tradition.

[twballgame9]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

i assumed he meant frank leahy

[twballgame9]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

i assumed he meant frank leahy

Wake had a couple of seasons with Timmay and Childress and a couple with Howard and Paul. There might have been one season where they overachieved with Rogers. Otherwise, Wake's "tradition" is nothing but an inferiority complex in a tie-dye shirt.

EDIT - Howard didn't play with Paul. Howard's teams were mediocre until senior year.

[hinghameagle]

Buzz got a seven year deal, so yes it can be interpreted that it is about the money. And I truly dont think where these guys live matters all that much to them. coaches are transient. thyey bounce around every 3-4 years, do they really care about living in East Lansing vs. chestnut Hill. I would say very rarely would a coach take less money on a job in an area such as chestnut hill rather than more money in an area not as nice, say East Lansing. I would say the overwhlming majority of coaches, if the money was say 250k or more in East lansing, would go there.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

i assumed he meant frank leahy

Wake had a couple of seasons with Timmay and Childress and a couple with Howard and Paul. There might have been one season where they overachieved with Rogers. Otherwise, Wake's "tradition" is nothing but an inferiority complex in a tie-dye shirt.

5 elite 8 and 1 final four more than bc say that they can hold their own in a "program vs. program death match"

[twballgame9]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

i assumed he meant frank leahy

Wake had a couple of seasons with Timmay and Childress and a couple with Howard and Paul. There might have been one season where they overachieved with Rogers. Otherwise, Wake's "tradition" is nothing but an inferiority complex in a tie-dye shirt.

5 elite 8 and 1 final four more than bc say that they can hold their own in a "program vs. program death match"

So BC gets no credit for 600 more wins because they didn't win two more random games?

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

i assumed he meant frank leahy

Wake had a couple of seasons with Timmay and Childress and a couple with Howard and Paul. There might have been one season where they overachieved with Rogers. Otherwise, Wake's "tradition" is nothing but an inferiority complex in a tie-dye shirt.

5 elite 8 and 1 final four more than bc say that they can hold their own in a "program vs. program death match"

So BC gets no credit for 600 more wins because they didn't win two more random games?

15 all americans to bc's 8

[twballgame9]

P&S, Easterbrook can't remember John Bagley, and you are jumping all over that 1962 Final Four appearance?

[angrychicken]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

i assumed he meant frank leahy

Wake had a couple of seasons with Timmay and Childress and a couple with Howard and Paul. There might have been one season where they overachieved with Rogers. Otherwise, Wake's "tradition" is nothing but an inferiority complex in a tie-dye shirt.

5 elite 8 and 1 final four more than bc say that they can hold their own in a "program vs. program death match"

So BC gets no credit for 600 more wins because they didn't win two more random games?

15 all americans to bc's 8

I'm gonna nip this in the bud...Riley Skinner did NOT play basketball.

[twballgame9]

a guy most people are unaware ever coached at BC

To be clear here, are we referring to Bob Cousy, Chuck Daly, Dr. Tom Davis, Gary Williams or Steve Donahue here? I get my Hall of Famers all mixed up.

i assumed he meant frank leahy

Wake had a couple of seasons with Timmay and Childress and a couple with Howard and Paul. There might have been one season where they overachieved with Rogers. Otherwise, Wake's "tradition" is nothing but an inferiority complex in a tie-dye shirt.

5 elite 8 and 1 final four more than bc say that they can hold their own in a "program vs. program death match"

So BC gets no credit for 600 more wins because they didn't win two more random games?

15 all americans to bc's 8

Yeah, I know, that list is a joke and includes Aminu and Teague. Laugh out loud funny.