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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:47 pm
by DuchesneEast
Surprised Mike Rhoads hasnt been mentioned.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:25 pm
by Onyx Blackman
DuchesneEast wrote:Surprised Mike Rhoads hasnt been mentioned.

He's still bitter toward BC for not giving his brother Randy enough respect.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:25 pm
by Bumpers
Word is trickling out of Houston . . . you are all going to be disappointed.

some realities all you hippie dippy hoopster hopesters need to keep in mind:

1. Jesuits in charge currently do not care about athletics win - loss success (and BB less than FB), and therefore are not going to approve paying people not to work if the programs otherwise are being run clean
2. JC just received an extension last year through 21-22, so no way they are going to pay him not to work for 3 years
c. see 1 and 2; this is really all that matters to them
iv. JC is a high character coach and his players stay out of trouble
cinco. some people in the admin actually think MBB was "this close" this year but for injuries and that the future is brighter with JC than going another direction now. This same coterie of nitwits also think that for all his elite talent, Bowman was a net-negative to the team for the year because he was too dominant at times and completely disappeared at others.

In my personal opinion, the last observation has some merit. Bowman was inconsistent, but what the nitwits fail to recognize is that the consequences of his inconsistent performances were made outsized by the overall lack of talent surrounding him due to injuries and lack of depth.

[cue HJS taking these nuggets and passing them off as his own]

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:05 pm
by twballgame9
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eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Just looked at Cooley's record at Providence, are you really serious? He's coaching a bubble team in a weaker conference that never wins in the NCAAs despite landing very good recruits with limited admissions restrictions.

I've watched Cooley call play many times. Makes Christian look like John Wooden.

71-73 in whatever they are calling the conference that has Patrick Ewing and that putz Wojo coaching in it. No wonder Chris Mack was reluctant to leave.


You’re not getting Cooley due to his Xs and Os. Guy can flat out recruit. He’s Amaker on steroids.


So assume he gets the same talent he went 71-73 with in the AAC/Big East Catholic. How's that translate to the ACC?

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:10 pm
by twballgame9
Bumpers wrote:Word is trickling out of Houston . . . you are all going to be disappointed.

some realities all you hippie dippy hoopster hopesters need to keep in mind:

1. Jesuits in charge currently do not care about athletics win - loss success (and BB less than FB), and therefore are not going to approve paying people not to work if the programs otherwise are being run clean
2. JC just received an extension last year through 21-22, so no way they are going to pay him not to work for 3 years
c. see 1 and 2; this is really all that matters to them
iv. JC is a high character coach and his players stay out of trouble
cinco. some people in the admin actually think MBB was "this close" this year but for injuries and that the future is brighter with JC than going another direction now. This same coterie of nitwits also think that for all his elite talent, Bowman was a net-negative to the team for the year because he was too dominant at times and completely disappeared at others.

In my personal opinion, the last observation has some merit. Bowman was inconsistent, but what the nitwits fail to recognize is that the consequences of his inconsistent performances were made outsized by the overall lack of talent surrounding him due to injuries and lack of depth.

[cue HJS taking these nuggets and passing them off as his own]


I actually think you are right on all of these things and definitely agree with part two of cinco. Part one of cinco is ridiculous - injuries happen to all teams. Good ones don't have Vin Baker Jr., Meznieks and the goofy comb over guy as backups to Pop, Tabbs and the glue guy with no offensive skill.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:25 pm
by HJS
Bumpers wrote:Word is trickling out of Houston . . . you are all going to be disappointed.

some realities all you hippie dippy hoopster hopesters need to keep in mind:

1. Jesuits in charge currently do not care about athletics win - loss success (and BB less than FB), and therefore are not going to approve paying people not to work if the programs otherwise are being run clean
2. JC just received an extension last year through 21-22, so no way they are going to pay him not to work for 3 years
c. see 1 and 2; this is really all that matters to them
iv. JC is a high character coach and his players stay out of trouble
cinco. some people in the admin actually think MBB was "this close" this year but for injuries and that the future is brighter with JC than going another direction now. This same coterie of nitwits also think that for all his elite talent, Bowman was a net-negative to the team for the year because he was too dominant at times and completely disappeared at others.

In my personal opinion, the last observation has some merit. Bowman was inconsistent, but what the nitwits fail to recognize is that the consequences of his inconsistent performances were made outsized by the overall lack of talent surrounding him due to injuries and lack of depth.

[cue HJS taking these nuggets and passing them off as his own]

1-4 (or versions thereof) are quite consistent with what I have routinely posted. #5 I haven’t heard and barely watched games this year to even have an opinion on the topic.

HJS on Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:37 pm wrote:The only glimmer of hope in the article is the alluding to his buyout not being cost prohibitive. That said, under Leahy, ANY buyout is prohibitive.

HJS on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:10 pm wrote:Here’s the thing... Marty and the rest of the athletic department really like Jimmy Mac. They think he is a good guy. They think he is good Xs and Os. They think he’s been able to put together some decent recruiting classes of late.

HJS on Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:02 pm wrote:There is virtually no chance that BC is moving on from JC at this juncture. But, if you guys want to play pretend, you really need to re-calibrate the focus. BC isn't going to be making any major financial commitment that comes with paying for Jimmy Mac to leave and then hiring a coach you've ever heard of (including the past-their-prime Baby Boomers most here are promoting).

HJS on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:52 pm wrote:
BC923 wrote:If we were to make a move, what is the timeline?

We tell Jimmy Mac that his contract isn't being extended. In three years, we hire a new coach.
http://bcheights.com/2018/04/25/jim-chr ... 22-season/

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:04 pm
by twballgame9
Deleted my TRE level quote boxing.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:17 am
by BC923
I tend to agree that Bowman doesn't make the team any better, but I also can envision single digit wins next season when he leaves. You need more than one guy who wants the ball on the floor, and the only one who'll be left is Tabbs if he can stay healthy.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 am
by claver2010
Bumpers wrote:cinco. some people in the admin actually think MBB was "this close" this year but for injuries and that the future is brighter with JC than going another direction now. This same coterie of nitwits also think that for all his elite talent, Bowman was a net-negative to the team for the year because he was too dominant at times and completely disappeared at others.

In my personal opinion, the last observation has some merit. Bowman was inconsistent, but what the nitwits fail to recognize is that the consequences of his inconsistent performances were made outsized by the overall lack of talent surrounding him due to injuries and lack of depth.


i know this will get blowback but i tend to agree. i think w a fully health roster this team would be a 10 / 11 type seed in the tourney. but they weren't and it's jc's fault we had to turn to players who either are deep role players in this conf or more commonly have zero business playing d1 basketball

those knocking bowman are the same ones that think the giants will be better without obj

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:41 am
by MilitantEagle
claver2010 wrote:
those knocking bowman are the same ones that think the giants will be better without obj


If we didn't have Bowman in 2018-19, the team would have been worse. But my hope is that next year's class, including Tabbs, will more than make up for his loss.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:09 am
by claver2010
from your lips, not sold a lineup of tabbs, heath, younger hamilton, pop + whoever as 5th (steff provides great value but can we please not give someone 30 min a night while playing 4 on 5 offensively?)

order for new coach: cut the fat off this team, get healthy, scour transfer market

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:31 am
by commavegarage
so....

assuming hes not getting fired? imagine we wouldve heard by now, no?

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:23 am
by eepstein0
claver2010 wrote:from your lips, not sold a lineup of tabbs, heath, younger hamilton, pop + whoever as 5th (steff provides great value but can we please not give someone 30 min a night while playing 4 on 5 offensively?)

order for new coach: cut the fat off this team, get healthy, scour transfer market


This team still needs a backup guard also. You can't play Herren Jr. in the ACC beyond 5 minutes a night.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:23 am
by Tom Dooder
If Christian can get the flotsam off this team and get some transfers in, there may be hope for next year. The only other way they'll make double-digits is if there is another Tabbs in the Freshmen class.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:24 am
by HJS
What Bumpers wrote is what I have heard generally for over a year: (1) Fr. Leahy has no appetite for paying people not to work, (2) JC is considered a good guy throughout the administration and (3) the Athletic Department (Jarmond on down) really thought that JC had turned the corner last year (and like the recent recruiting). So, I would be very surprised if he is let go.


Here is my opinion...
Marty doesn't care about BC. He cares about succeeding Gene Smith at OSU. I don't think there is anything wrong with this and generally means BC's interests align. But, I think this also means that he is going to be very deliberate on when he makes a move. He is now just tending Bates' garden. While I think he needs to eventually make a move to get a better gig, he can still package his time here as being handcuffed by President unwilling to spend beyond mid-major rates.

When the time comes to let go of JC, I do not think he will grab a marginally better candidate like Bill Coen or Mark Schmidt from the discard pile of marin-approved candidates (guys who will get us to 17 wins, will not be a reputational risk and make folks who still read the Globe happy). Coen and Schmidt are safe hires you make if you want to make sure that you don't get fired by BC. But, they are not hires that get you notice by bigger athletic departments. Given the eternity that we have been irrelevant in BB, I think Marty has coverage to try something bold/risky. I think he will swing for the fences on the hire. If it isn't a big name, I think he will do something similar to what he's done with his other hires... young up-and-comers who have won and will not get a chance on a bigger stage. He will want to hire someone who is getting approached by major programs in 3 years. That is what helps build the only thing missing from his resume... talent identifier.
If his search centers on coaches nearing 60, "know BC" and won't ever be at risk of being poached by another school... Jarmond is an empty suit with absolutely no power.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:35 am
by DavidGordonsFoot
He's staying, isn't he?

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:25 am
by Corporal Funishment
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:50 am
by HJS
DuchesneEast wrote:Surprised Mike Rhoads hasnt been mentioned.

According to this (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salarie ... all/coach/), Jimmy Mac is the 66th highest paid coach... Rhoades is the 68th. In other words, he is already too expensive.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:34 pm
by Dick Rosenthal
Mike Rhodes has the easiest job in the A-10. He has a P5 Facility, a large recruiting budget and an reasonably attractive city from which to recruit. There is a reason that Capel, Grant and Smart all stepped on their dicks when they moved on to P5 teams—they were stripped of the enormous competitive advantages they had at VCU and were exposed as mediocrities. If you want to elevate a mid-major coach the best bet for success is a guy who wildly outperforms the historical norms of the program he runs over a period that extends beyond one recruiting class. Had we done that, we’d have never hired Donahue (mediocre but for the one class with the 7 footer Anthony Solomon ran out of Saint Bonaventure) and Christian (did not perform beyond historical norms at Ohio and shit the bed at TVU).

If you want to ignore Schmidt, fine, but maybe consider other mid-major coaches that fit that profile.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:38 pm
by eepstein0
HJS wrote:What Bumpers wrote is what I have heard generally for over a year: (1) Fr. Leahy has no appetite for paying people not to work, (2) JC is considered a good guy throughout the administration and (3) the Athletic Department (Jarmond on down) really thought that JC had turned the corner last year (and like the recent recruiting). So, I would be very surprised if he is let go.


Here is my opinion...
Marty doesn't care about BC. He cares about succeeding Gene Smith at OSU. I don't think there is anything wrong with this and generally means BC's interests align. But, I think this also means that he is going to be very deliberate on when he makes a move. He is now just tending Bates' garden. While I think he needs to eventually make a move to get a better gig, he can still package his time here as being handcuffed by President unwilling to spend beyond mid-major rates.

When the time comes to let go of JC, I do not think he will grab a marginally better candidate like Bill Coen or Mark Schmidt from the discard pile of marin-approved candidates (guys who will get us to 17 wins, will not be a reputational risk and make folks who still read the Globe happy). Coen and Schmidt are safe hires you make if you want to make sure that you don't get fired by BC. But, they are not hires that get you notice by bigger athletic departments. Given the eternity that we have been irrelevant in BB, I think Marty has coverage to try something bold/risky. I think he will swing for the fences on the hire. If it isn't a big name, I think he will do something similar to what he's done with his other hires... young up-and-comers who have won and will not get a chance on a bigger stage. He will want to hire someone who is getting approached by major programs in 3 years. That is what helps build the only thing missing from his resume... talent identifier.
If his search centers on coaches nearing 60, "know BC" and won't ever be at risk of being poached by another school... Jarmond is an empty suit with absolutely no power.


The reason I know this is BS, is that in order to move on from a coach in college athletics, you have to pay them not to work. No Athletic Department in the country is letting a coach run his contract down to 0 years, because it becomes impossible to recruit.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:37 pm
by HJS
eepstein0 wrote:The reason I know this is BS, is that in order to move on from a coach in college athletics, you have to pay them not to work. No Athletic Department in the country is letting a coach run his contract down to 0 years, because it becomes impossible to recruit.

You know what I think is fun? When people use what other athletic departments do as proof of a course of action BC's athletic department MUST take. I guess it has been a long 3 months.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:39 pm
by BC923
HJS wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:The reason I know this is BS, is that in order to move on from a coach in college athletics, you have to pay them not to work. No Athletic Department in the country is letting a coach run his contract down to 0 years, because it becomes impossible to recruit.

You know what I think is fun? When people use what other athletic departments do as proof of a course of action BC's athletic department MUST take.

The real question, as ever, is when Leahy will retire and who will replace him.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:50 pm
by ATLeagle
BC923 wrote:
HJS wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:The reason I know this is BS, is that in order to move on from a coach in college athletics, you have to pay them not to work. No Athletic Department in the country is letting a coach run his contract down to 0 years, because it becomes impossible to recruit.

You know what I think is fun? When people use what other athletic departments do as proof of a course of action BC's athletic department MUST take.

The real question, as ever, is when Leahy will retire and who will replace him.


I've given up on that. I've been hearing he is retiring for six years. He is older than Monan was when he retired.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:51 pm
by BC923
ATLeagle wrote:
BC923 wrote:
HJS wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:The reason I know this is BS, is that in order to move on from a coach in college athletics, you have to pay them not to work. No Athletic Department in the country is letting a coach run his contract down to 0 years, because it becomes impossible to recruit.

You know what I think is fun? When people use what other athletic departments do as proof of a course of action BC's athletic department MUST take.

The real question, as ever, is when Leahy will retire and who will replace him.


I've given up on that. I've been hearing he is retiring for six years. He is older than Monan was when he retired.

Well until that happens there's no real reason to speculate about BC athletics

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:32 pm
by Dick Rosenthal
Say, look who has coached a team starting 3 freshman that was predicted to finish 11th in its conference to a fourth place conference finish and a conference tournament final berth with back to back double digit wins and holding the opponent under 60 points.

Fuck all of you who don’t think is an appreciable upgrade over JC. You literally know nothing about basketball.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:18 pm
by twballgame9
Dick Rosenthal wrote:Say, look who has coached a team starting 3 freshman that was predicted to finish 11th in its conference to a fourth place conference finish and a conference tournament final berth with back to back double digit wins and holding the opponent under 60 points.

Fuck all of you who don’t think is an appreciable upgrade over JC. You literally know nothing about basketball.


Meh. JC won in the MAC too.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:57 pm
by Dick Rosenthal
JC won in the MAC at the most successful program in the MAC. Look it up, Ohio had been to the NCAAs 12 times before Christian arrived and Christian underperformed vis a vis the previous two coaching regimes. His only NCAA appearance at Ohio was in his first year, using a senior laden team bequeathed to him by a predecessor who had moved on to greener pastures. Schmidt essentially took on a failure factory that was also dealing with a Three Mile Island-level scandal that almost took the whole school down.

It doesn't matter because as long as Father Leahy-McCarrick is in charge we will suck, but there isn't even an argument that Schmidt's results are far superior to JO'B's at this point.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:31 pm
by MattTheEagle
I DON’T want Schmidt. He might be an upgrade over JC but he won’t be able to compete in the ACC either.

There are plenty of good coaches we can get even if we aren’t willing to pay what we should. Unfortunately we are nonetheless stuck with Christian for at least another year. If Jarmond was adamant about a coaching change he’d get it. It’s Jarmond as much as it is Leahy. Jarmond’s lack of experience hiring and firing coaches is coming back to haunt us.

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:03 pm
by Corporal Funishment
Jim Christian is the winningest coach in MAC history

Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:26 pm
by twballgame9
JC also coached Kent St to 3 NCAAs and MAC titles. Revisionist history. And he replaced assistant coach Stan Heath there, so if he inherited, he had the right guy.