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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:01 pm

ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
BC923 wrote:I don’t remember anyone even trying to make a case for him


If Jimmy MAC decided today that he's tired of the slander and chose to walk away, the program would be in significantly better shape than it was when he found it. Impossible to argue and not spoken of often enough.


Based on what? Roster still a mess and nothing to show for seven years.


He’s not being serious...


What? Look at the roster that Donahue left behind and look at the roster now. It's younger and almost certainly more talented now. Very certainly more athletic.


Hanlon was better than anyone on the current roster.


Eh...
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:38 am

twballgame9 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
BC923 wrote:I don’t remember anyone even trying to make a case for him


If Jimmy MAC decided today that he's tired of the slander and chose to walk away, the program would be in significantly better shape than it was when he found it. Impossible to argue and not spoken of often enough.


Based on what? Roster still a mess and nothing to show for seven years.


He’s not being serious...


What? Look at the roster that Donahue left behind and look at the roster now. It's younger and almost certainly more talented now. Very certainly more athletic.


Hanlon was better than anyone on the current roster.


Eh...



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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby twballgame9 on Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:08 am

eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
BC923 wrote:I don’t remember anyone even trying to make a case for him


If Jimmy MAC decided today that he's tired of the slander and chose to walk away, the program would be in significantly better shape than it was when he found it. Impossible to argue and not spoken of often enough.


Based on what? Roster still a mess and nothing to show for seven years.


He’s not being serious...


What? Look at the roster that Donahue left behind and look at the roster now. It's younger and almost certainly more talented now. Very certainly more athletic.


Hanlon was better than anyone on the current roster.


Eh...


Tabbs is Canadian for Hanlan. Score 20, give-up 30 on D


I'd also argue that Felder could be developed into a pretty good actual NBA player if he had some coaching.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Logitano on Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:52 am

twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
BC923 wrote:I don’t remember anyone even trying to make a case for him


If Jimmy MAC decided today that he's tired of the slander and chose to walk away, the program would be in significantly better shape than it was when he found it. Impossible to argue and not spoken of often enough.


Based on what? Roster still a mess and nothing to show for seven years.


He’s not being serious...


What? Look at the roster that Donahue left behind and look at the roster now. It's younger and almost certainly more talented now. Very certainly more athletic.


Hanlon was better than anyone on the current roster.


Eh...


Tabbs is Canadian for Hanlan. Score 20, give-up 30 on D


I'd also argue that Felder could be developed into a pretty good actual NBA player if he had some coaching.


Watching Felder regress each game makes me more inclined to want an in season move (i know it is not going to happen). :ace
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby BCEagles25 on Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:12 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
BC923 wrote:I don’t remember anyone even trying to make a case for him


If Jimmy MAC decided today that he's tired of the slander and chose to walk away, the program would be in significantly better shape than it was when he found it. Impossible to argue and not spoken of often enough.


Based on what? Roster still a mess and nothing to show for seven years.


He’s not being serious...


What? Look at the roster that Donahue left behind and look at the roster now. It's younger and almost certainly more talented now. Very certainly more athletic.


Hanlon was better than anyone on the current roster.


Eh...


Tabbs is Canadian for Hanlan. Score 20, give-up 30 on D


I'd also argue that Felder could be developed into a pretty good actual NBA player if he had some coaching.


Yep. He certainly has the chance to be our best big since Ryan Anderson, as does Karnik
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:43 pm

I usually have strong opinions on these things. But, I think the program is such a mess and college BB is so influx that I really don't know the path forward. Of course, unrealistically hiring someone like John Beilein is the easiest answer. Folks have mentioned Wojo and Willard and that would be most in line with previous hires (graduating form A10 to BigEast is comparable with going from current BigEast to ACC). Maybe a re-tread like Shaka Smart or his predecessor Anthony Grant would work. Maybe Mike Hopkins jumps before he is pushed. Maybe Bobby Hurley really wants to come back East.

Outside of that... I think it is a pure crapshoot. Can Wes Miller (or Mike Rhoads, Pat Kelsey, Darian DeVries, Jeff Boals, Porter Moser or Bob Richey) be effective at a major program? Can Eisley run a program and recruit as well as he has at Michigan? Do you follow the Hafley model by pulling a top assistant off an elite program like Hubert Davis or Jason Williford or Jon Scheyer or someone like Dane Fife (who Kraft overlapped with during their time at Indiana)? Do you go boring, safe and old with Cooley, Coen, Schmidt, O'Shea, Becker, Amaker?

I do not think there is a clear cut answer. I do not think there is a no-brainer option (like if Brad Stevens was fired but didn't want to move from Wellesley). Accordingly, I think Kraft should just go with who he thinks is the best coach to build a program from the ground up. It should be viewed as if BC Basketball is a new expansion team in the ACC. You need someone who can establish a foundation and a culture more than you need someone who is good at Xs and Os. Recruiting will be important, but possibly more important is the ability to develop players (which is something that hasn't been seen since Skinner).
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby BC923 on Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:13 pm

It will be interesting to see how Kraft handles things. MJ clearly had a vision and most if not all of his hires fit it: Hafley, JBM, volleyball guy, etc. All young, all with experience as assistants at big time programs with enough enthusiasm to basically tread water with energy and vision while the infrastructure and talent improved. It’s early with Hafley, but JBM and the volleyball guy seem like they’ve given new life to their respective programs.

Men’s basketball in the ACC is a different beast, but I think this job is going to require someone on the younger side looking for a break that has the drive to resurrect the program. Beilein is a hell of a coach but I doubt he or someone similar has the desire to undertake a job like this. Like HJS said, this program is almost completely off the map. Someone like that might have been interested when we ended up with Donahue, or maybe even when we got Fogler’d.

There’s always going to be some level of interest in any ACC job, especially one in a nice place to live that has proven to be more than patient with their coaches, but selling people on the job won’t be the easiest thing in the world, especially if Kraft can’t show candidates the blueprints for the new facility in interviews. Someone like Willard would be a pipe dream. You’re probably looking at a pool of head coaches from the middle of the A10 and below or assistants from schools outside the top 10-15 programs. That’s not to say that it’s impossible to find someone who would do a good job, but I think it will be harder to make a good hire than it was the last two times around.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby MF73-Eleazar on Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:57 pm

Does Eisley have what it takes to be a Head Coach? Bring Duane Woodward back into the fold?
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:30 pm

HJS wrote:I usually have strong opinions on these things. But, I think the program is such a mess and college BB is so influx that I really don't know the path forward. Of course, unrealistically hiring someone like John Beilein is the easiest answer. Folks have mentioned Wojo and Willard and that would be most in line with previous hires (graduating form A10 to BigEast is comparable with going from current BigEast to ACC). Maybe a re-tread like Shaka Smart or his predecessor Anthony Grant would work. Maybe Mike Hopkins jumps before he is pushed. Maybe Bobby Hurley really wants to come back East.

Outside of that... I think it is a pure crapshoot. Can Wes Miller (or Mike Rhoads, Pat Kelsey, Darian DeVries, Jeff Boals, Porter Moser or Bob Richey) be effective at a major program? Can Eisley run a program and recruit as well as he has at Michigan? Do you follow the Hafley model by pulling a top assistant off an elite program like Hubert Davis or Jason Williford or Jon Scheyer or someone like Dane Fife (who Kraft overlapped with during their time at Indiana)? Do you go boring, safe and old with Cooley, Coen, Schmidt, O'Shea, Becker, Amaker?

I do not think there is a clear cut answer. I do not think there is a no-brainer option (like if Brad Stevens was fired but didn't want to move from Wellesley). Accordingly, I think Kraft should just go with who he thinks is the best coach to build a program from the ground up. It should be viewed as if BC Basketball is a new expansion team in the ACC. You need someone who can establish a foundation and a culture more than you need someone who is good at Xs and Os. Recruiting will be important, but possibly more important is the ability to develop players (which is something that hasn't been seen since Skinner).


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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby tallsy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:08 pm

This is a long project. I would accept an older program stabilizer like Rick Stansbury or Tim Cluess who maybe has recharged the batteries.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:51 am

ATLeagle wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
BC923 wrote:I don’t remember anyone even trying to make a case for him


If Jimmy MAC decided today that he's tired of the slander and chose to walk away, the program would be in significantly better shape than it was when he found it. Impossible to argue and not spoken of often enough.


Based on what? Roster still a mess and nothing to show for seven years.


Also, the uniforms have improved dramatically
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