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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby claver2010 on Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:20 pm

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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby MilitantEagle on Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:56 pm

eepstein0 wrote:Are people really defending the recent record of performance of the basketball team?


Nope, just trying to explain the rationale for keeping him. I clearly said I was not defending JC.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:08 pm

At the risk of (and hoping to) infuriate some of you, I will point out the injury situation almost certainly cost the team multiple wins 2 of the last 3 years.

Also, despite the injuries JC has still outperformed his position in the ACC coach salary rankings 4 out of 6 times! He's a bargain!
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:37 pm

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claver2010 wrote:and it cost a smaller school more for him to go away

mj has completely fucked up decisions around the basketball program over the last 14 months

Very soon after being hired, Marty made the decision to move on from Daz as quickly as possible. He also decided that he really liked JC and (with proper support) thought he could be the long term answer. Let’s not forget, Jarmond gave Jimmy Mac a very real extension thinking that we turned the corner by getting an NIT invite. That, more than anything, has been the mistake that Marty has had to live with. Corona gave him an easy excuse.


We don't entirely know what is going on behind the scenes. Supposedly, BC had feelers out for Beilein and he had no interest. I'm sure Jarmond had some top targets and perhaps they said no way. The next hire may be the most important hire in the program's history and it needs to be as close as possible to a slam dunk hire. No point in blowing it up again for another MAC level coach or some random assistant.

Also, the trend for the basketball program both in recruiting and results, while ever so slight and a little bumpy, has been mostly upward. 6 wins in the first three years and 19 in the last three (with two extra games). Certainly not amazing and I'm not defending MJ's decision or JC, just saying that you can see the rationale if certain assumptions are being made.

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A simple linear regression model suggests that by 2034, the team will be winning 20 conference games (running the table), and JC's career ACC winning percentage will be a healthy 56%!
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:02 am

MilitantEagle wrote:The next hire may be the most important hire in the program's history and it needs to be as close as possible to a slam dunk hire. No point in blowing it up again for another MAC level coach or some random assistant.

I am 100% in agreement here. The next hire has to be a rockstar. Marty backed himself into a corner here. If he made a move a couple of years ago, he could’ve rolled the dice with a hot mid-major or respected assistant. But, his inaction has caused the program to die on the vine. He has assured a decade of complete irrelevance of BC basketball. His Jimmy Mac extension (and seeing it through) was salting the earth.

No feel good alum story... no former Skinner assistant returning home... no scrappy underdog mid-major is going to fix this (or at least fix it fast enough). Marty has forced himself into a position where he has to land the biggest fish since Bob Cousy.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:27 am

Corporal Funishment wrote:At the risk of (and hoping to) infuriate some of you, I will point out the injury situation almost certainly cost the team multiple wins 2 of the last 3 years.

Also, despite the injuries JC has still outperformed his position in the ACC coach salary rankings 4 out of 6 times! He's a bargain!


Do other teams in the ACC play with injuries off?
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:32 am

MilitantEagle wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:Are people really defending the recent record of performance of the basketball team?


Nope, just trying to explain the rationale for keeping him. I clearly said I was not defending JC.


There's no rationale. After being down 27 in the ACCT to Pitt he should've been fired. Bringing him back was a complete failure by MJ.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:30 pm

Seems that Manning caused them to go for a cheaper option.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... eve-forbes
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:09 pm

HJS wrote:Seems that Manning caused them to go for a cheaper option.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... eve-forbes


Wake fans seem pleased. I'd be concerned he won primarily with JUCO and transfers at ETSU.

Leaves Wes Miller open for MJ whenever he gets around to firing JC.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:38 pm

Wake fans might get a tax cut out of this though.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby 2001Eagle on Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:11 pm

HJS wrote:Seems that Manning caused them to go for a cheaper option.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... eve-forbes


Forbes was a UT assistant under Pearl when Currie was there I believe.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby GlorytoBC on Sun May 03, 2020 5:58 pm

fwiw, Forbes was probably the hottest mid-major coach out there. He's had four straight top 100 teams in the SoCon. He's the only SoCon coach that has ever achieved that feat.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:28 pm

Billy Donovan apparently agreed to a buyout with the Thunder in order to be available for BC this winter.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:22 am

Christian, feeling the impending pressure from Billy Donovan, has orchestrated an impressive move to finally get BC back into the Tourney.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sion-teams
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:22 pm

HJS wrote:Christian, feeling the impending pressure from Billy Donovan, has orchestrated an impressive move to finally get BC back into the Tourney.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sion-teams


Why is this a good idea?
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:41 pm

HJS wrote:Billy Donovan apparently agreed to a buyout with the Thunder in order to be available for BC this winter.

Fucking Kraft. Sitting in fancy leather chair, sipping Pierre Ferrand and leisurely deciding what to do with the basketball program. Billy got sick of waiting. He wanted a shot at Stefon Mitchell before he is forced to graduate after 8 years.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby 2001Eagle on Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:41 am

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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:49 pm

2001Eagle wrote:Greg Marshall has some problems...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com ... misconduct

Kinda shows how staying at a mid-major while waiting for the perfect job isn’t always the safest career move.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:27 pm

HJS wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
HJS wrote:
Corporal Funishment wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Good college basketball coaches don't often contemplate their own failure


Then explain why Gregg Marshall isn't at Alabama and Archie Miller didn't make a pit stop at NC State. It would have been more money. It's risk aversion - why risk failing somewhere else when you can win where you are and get to the top just the same?

Then explain why Miller took a job in the middle of nowhere for a school where his predecessor was successful but just not as successful as Bobby Knight (who they wound up firing because they thought they could do better). If Miller fails to live up to Indiana's unrealistic expectations, he never gets another shot at a major school.

Greg Marshall has some problems...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com ... misconduct

Kinda shows how staying at a mid-major while waiting for the perfect job isn’t always the safest career move.

$7mm worth of parting gifts.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... estigation
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