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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:08 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
MF73-Eleazar {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:Grad transfers don't generally work like they do in football. First, very few decent ones redshirt. Second, if you aren't good enough to see big minutes at your current school as an upper classman, chances are you won't do well in the ACC. Finally, if you are that rare player who has a year left and are an elite talent, then you will have the Kentucky and Dukes of the world after you.

Bottom line is that I'd like to see us relying on grad transfers.


WRT to a grad transfer PF, he only needs to do what you mentioned above, tall-ish, glue player, does a lot of dirty work. We need that, since Reyes still seems a little lite in the tuchas. Hopefully, he'd be taller than Corey Jackson or Kev Hrobowski, obviously. Rob Blackwell's height or more would be fine.

I DON'T want Eli Carter 2.0, just a grad transfer PG who can hold down the fort for a yr, in addition to recruiting a freshman PG at the same time. It would help with the roster balance going fwd, no?

What we've gotten thus far from 5th year transfers... Carter, Tava and Jeffers... is just about the best quality of 5th year transfers that we will ever get.

The reason why I'd rather take a recruit is that you will have a better chance of over-performance. Once a PF is labeled someone who doesn't have an offensive game, he loses interest from the top 100 schools... no matter how good his rebounding or D is. Similarly, a G who gets labeled as someone who can't create his own shot and can't penetrate into the paint... he loses interest from major programs. But, I'd argue, that if you aren't looking for that, you can get outsized talent in the areas of rebounding/defense and ball-handling. Not to mention, a HS kid could develop over time and be more than a one-year contributor... especially, if they are a hard-worker ala Jared Dudley.


I have no interest in guards that can't creat their own shot.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:09 pm

jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:
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MF73-Eleazar {l Wrote}:I wouldn't mind snagging 2 grad transfers for the starting PF and backup PG. Especially since I think Robinson might bolt after next yr. Make the team as strong and as experienced as possible, since we'd have no seniors. But if Christian pursues a grad transfer, it should be the starting PF. I prefer a grad transfer backup PG cuz if either Bowman or Robinson get into foul trouble, we'd have an experienced guy at PG and have Bowman slide to SG if necessary.

F-Turner Jr
F-GRAD TRANSFER
C-Popovich So
G-Bowman So
G-Robinson Jr

F-Sagay So
F-Kraljevich Fr
C-Reyes RSo
G-GRAD TRANSFER
G-Chatman Jr

If Mezniaks doesn't transfer, there's still 2 open roster spots, unless there's a non-walk on player that i'm missing.

It would be shocking if Robinson declared early


even if he ended this yr and next season with a 20.0+ ppg in ACC play?

I think so, but that might depend on the draft class that year. I would think that he doesn't have the athleticism they are looking for at the NBA and will need to continue improving the rest of his game to be a sure-fire first round pick. I am also guessing that they will be a tournament caliber team his senior season and that he would want the exposure from playing in march madness.


Are you making a late run at Worst Poster?

JRob is plenty athletic (see the highlight real dunks).

There were 10+ NBA scouts there Wednesday Night, he doesn't need the NCAAT for exposure.

I think he stays for another year to improve his defense and ball-handling along with range out to the NBA line.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby BCSUPERFAN22 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:36 pm

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eepstein0 {l Wrote}:The Euro kid and Devin Newton will probably be the PF and guard in your 2017 class.

I want no part of these mid-major grad transfers like we've had lately. If you sucked at Delaware you're probably going to really suck in the ACC.

BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:To HJS's point, the kind of guys that BC lost the last 2 recruiting cycles (Silva and Marfo) would be huge assets in this program as developing players. Are they totally out on Jarrod Simmons for this class with Kraljevic committed ?

Who are we still involved with? Is Devin Newton still a possibility? jarrod Simmons?

BTW... while Kraljevic sounds like a promising prospect, I do not view him as the 6'7" bounder/defender I think we immediately need.


Simmons has such a weird final group of schools (BC and a bunch of Ivys despite reporting offers from a bunch of bigger schools ... Pitt, Texas, Providence, Georgia Tech, VCU, Temple) , its hard to really get a read.

To your point, I think he is borderline the type of 4 that you are talking about (he would have to put on some serious size where as Marfo/Silva would be coming out of HS at 6'7/6'8 and 250 lbs). Simmons at 6'6/220 seems like more of a wing/right on the cusp 4 that fits the mold of a Marfo/Silva type. The plus side is he has a more polished offensive game than both those guys, but doest appear to have the frame pack on a lot of weight. I would argue that Kravlejic and Simmons probably have similar skill sets (at least compared to the traditional rebounding/defensive 4) making them a bit redundant in this class, but idk, and I think Kraljevic is the better of the 2 if you had to pick
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:13 pm

The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby MattTheEagle on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:32 pm

I can't even believe this is a discussion. Both Bowman and Robinson have the potential to be future NBA players, but no team is going to give them a first round guarantee after just this year. This also isn't a situation like Reggie Jackson who declared early after he not only got the guarantee, but also the team was anticipated to be bad the next year so there was no meaningful opportunity to improve his draft stock. On the other hand, this team has a very real chance of going to the tournament next year where Bowman and Robinson can better showcase their talent.

I've been critical of Jim Christian, and I still need to see more before I'm on the Jim Christian train. That being said, I give JC and the staff a ton of credit for Bowman and Robinson (and having Turner and Pop as legitimate ACC supporting players). We need a serviceable PF (ideally a big body that can rebound) and backup PG. With those two additions, we can be a very good team next year so long as Bowman, Robinson, Turner, and Pop stick together.

This is the most optimistic I've been about BC Basketball since the Skinner era. This team is already a lot of fun to watch...worth noting our guys have outperformed numerous players who were much more highly-touted as recruits (see Auburn an NC State's loaded recruiting classes). That is also a credit to Jim Christian and staff.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:39 pm

MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:I can't even believe this is a discussion. Both Bowman and Robinson have the potential to be future NBA players, but no team is going to give them a first round guarantee after just this year. This also isn't a situation like Reggie Jackson who declared early after he not only got the guarantee, but also the team was anticipated to be bad the next year so there was no meaningful opportunity to improve his draft stock. On the other hand, this team has a very real chance of going to the tournament next year where Bowman and Robinson can better showcase their talent.

I've been critical of Jim Christian, and I still need to see more before I'm on the Jim Christian train. That being said, I give JC and the staff a ton of credit for Bowman and Robinson (and having Turner and Pop as legitimate ACC supporting players). We need a serviceable PF (ideally a big body that can rebound) and backup PG. With those two additions, we can be a very good team next year so long as Bowman, Robinson, Turner, and Pop stick together.

This is the most optimistic I've been about BC Basketball since the Skinner era. This team is already a lot of fun to watch...worth noting our guys have outperformed numerous players who were much more highly-touted as recruits (see Auburn an NC State's loaded recruiting classes). That is also a credit to Jim Christian and staff.


Auburn and NCST looked like terribly coached basketball teams. There are plenty of guys that can coach NBA talent to the NIT, hell NCST accomplishes this most years.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:39 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:02 am

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Corporal Funishment on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:09 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.



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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:24 am

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.



when the sun goes down, the takes heat up


My bad he won like 8 games here. Second coming of Troy Bell without the winning shit. Guy blew.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:26 am

Ps how is Hanlan making out with the Jazz? He's 2 years in now. Should be settled in
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Corporal Funishment on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:39 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.



when the sun goes down, the takes heat up


My bad he won like 8 games here. Second coming of Troy Bell without the winning shit. Guy blew.


The takes will continue to get hotter until morale improves
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:44 am

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.



when the sun goes down, the takes heat up


My bad he won like 8 games here. Second coming of Troy Bell without the winning shit. Guy blew.


The takes will continue to get hotter until morale improves


You are almost as awesome as BC hoop under Olivier Lithuania
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Corporal Funishment on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:48 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.



when the sun goes down, the takes heat up


My bad he won like 8 games here. Second coming of Troy Bell without the winning shit. Guy blew.


The takes will continue to get hotter until morale improves


You are almost as awesome as BC hoop under Olivier Lithuania


Hickory dickory dock, Teddy's takes were hot
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:54 am

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.



when the sun goes down, the takes heat up


My bad he won like 8 games here. Second coming of Troy Bell without the winning shit. Guy blew.


The takes will continue to get hotter until morale improves


You are almost as awesome as BC hoop under Olivier Lithuania


Hickory dickory dock, Teddy's takes were hot


LAST WORD!

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:01 am

Out. It's not even midnight here but this is still a timezone that is Hanlan free.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:12 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The scouts weren't there for anyone but Scott. He leaves after this year he is dumber than Hanlan. Eventually though he is an nba guy.


Hanlan never got a fair shake in the Summer League in fairness.


In fairness Harlan always sucked.



when the sun goes down, the takes heat up


My bad he won like 8 games here. Second coming of Troy Bell without the winning shit. Guy blew.


The takes will continue to get hotter until morale improves


You are almost as awesome as BC hoop under Olivier Lithuania

I think he's somewhere shittier now
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:05 am

Point is that Robinson is a better NBA prospect but probably isnt ready yet. Hoop weirdos live to correct hyperbole though so you have to give the people what they want.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:54 pm

None as good as you trying to talk football with no space and Eaglekeeper. Awesome.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Corporal Funishment on Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:58 pm

Adam Finkelstein ‏@AdamFinkelstein 29m29 minutes ago
Penn has landed a commitment from Moon Area (PA) & @RivalsNation PF Jarrod Simmons. Very good get for Quakers, had HM offers at one point.

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:46 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:Adam Finkelstein ‏@AdamFinkelstein 29m29 minutes ago
Penn has landed a commitment from Moon Area (PA) & @RivalsNation PF Jarrod Simmons. Very good get for Quakers, had HM offers at one point.

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Corporal Funishment on Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:36 pm

I've been laying off posting all the little recruiting updates from twitter this year because no one was reading them, but I'll post this one for a reason you might be able to discern

New England Playaz ‏@NE_Playaz 52m52 minutes ago
Moses Flowers, Ethan Wright, Noah Fernandes, Chris Doherty, and Chris Herren will attend the Boston College game tonight at the Conte Forum.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:49 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I've been laying off posting all the little recruiting updates from twitter this year because no one was reading them, but I'll post this one for a reason you might be able to discern

New England Playaz ‏@NE_Playaz 52m52 minutes ago
Moses Flowers, Ethan Wright, Noah Fernandes, Chris Doherty, and Chris Herren will attend the Boston College game tonight at the Conte Forum.


I think tonight is major rocket ship time. Hopefully I am wrong
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby claver2010 on Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:55 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:Chris Herren will attend the Boston College game tonight at the Conte Forum.


i assume that's a coincidence?
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:22 pm

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I've been laying off posting all the little recruiting updates from twitter this year because no one was reading them, but I'll post this one for a reason you might be able to discern

New England Playaz ‏@NE_Playaz 52m52 minutes ago
Moses Flowers, Ethan Wright, Noah Fernandes, Chris Doherty, and Chris Herren will attend the Boston College game tonight at the Conte Forum.


I think tonight is major rocket ship time. Hopefully I am wrong

I agree.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:56 pm

Depends on if the threes are dropping or if they can get out on the break. They aren't scoring in the paint in the half court. UVa's one weakness this season in an otherwise stellar defense is 3 pt % against, where they are 107.

Oddly, that is one area BC is strong, at 20.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby NaturalLight on Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:46 pm

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I've been laying off posting all the little recruiting updates from twitter this year because no one was reading them, but I'll post this one for a reason you might be able to discern

New England Playaz ‏@NE_Playaz 52m52 minutes ago
Moses Flowers, Ethan Wright, Noah Fernandes, Chris Doherty, and Chris Herren will attend the Boston College game tonight at the Conte Forum.


Would you mind posting those updates more frequently? I would read them FWIW.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:03 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Depends on if the threes are dropping or if they can get out on the break. They aren't scoring in the paint in the half court. UVa's one weakness this season in an otherwise stellar defense is 3 pt % against, where they are 107.

Oddly, that is one area BC is strong, at 20.


Pack line D always gives up a lot of 3s that is the design.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby longdistanceeagle on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:39 am

BC is not recruiting the Newton kid from Texas. JC and Wu are in Illinois today to see Mark Smith of Edwardsville. They also are doing very well with the Euro big at Monteverde.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:44 am

any plans of adding an actual point guard (or two, you know, in case one gets hurt, in foul trouble, or can't play 40 minutes every night) and a 4 that can actually play in the acc?
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