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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:29 am

RedBaron67 {l Wrote}:
BCHerbert {l Wrote}:
bcbasketball20 {l Wrote}:think they will take 2 guys and plan for some one to leave the program or play it safe and just sign one guy for 2014?


I think they take 1 and plan for a huge 2015 class.


As matters stand, "huge" is almost an understatement. At present, BC has seven (7) scholarship players on the roster whose eligibility expires in 2015: Odio, Caudill, Anderson, Jackson, Dragicevich, Clifford, and Heckmann. If Donahue fills all their slots with incoming freshmen, we'll still be stuck with the gross imbalance of classes Skinner saddled us with; if he can find a couple of quality transfers, it might inconvenience us for one year, but would help over the longer term.


You forgot Hanlan, whose eligibility will almost certainly expire after 2014.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby HJS on Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:58 am

Bonzie Colson Jr going to ND.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby BCHerbert on Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:42 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:Bonzie Colson Jr going to ND.


Where is Colson Sr coaching these days? Possibly a position at ND now that Jr has given his verbal?
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby BCEaglesFan on Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:28 pm

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Chris Anderson of BC's 247 site predicted Justin Johnson to BC after his visit.

WOW!!! That's pretty impressive considering the other schools we are in competition with for his services. Way to go Don!!! This should shut-up all the Wah-Wahs who constantly complain about this staff's ability to recruit.


If you don't want to be horrified, dont watch his highlights.

In fairness, wasnt Providence and Auburn in his Final 5?

I believe he had a really good performance in the Peach Jam, where BC, Auburn and PC offered. He was the backup plan to Ben Bentil for PC, but Auburn still wants him.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eagle9903 on Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:58 am

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Chris Anderson of BC's 247 site predicted Justin Johnson to BC after his visit.

WOW!!! That's pretty impressive considering the other schools we are in competition with for his services. Way to go Don!!! This should shut-up all the Wah-Wahs who constantly complain about this staff's ability to recruit.


If you don't want to be horrified, dont watch his highlights.

In fairness, wasnt Providence and Auburn in his Final 5?


You didn't really need a video, did you farrakhan?
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:16 am

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Chris Anderson of BC's 247 site predicted Justin Johnson to BC after his visit.

WOW!!! That's pretty impressive considering the other schools we are in competition with for his services. Way to go Don!!! This should shut-up all the Wah-Wahs who constantly complain about this staff's ability to recruit.


If you don't want to be horrified, dont watch his highlights.

In fairness, wasnt Providence and Auburn in his Final 5?


You didn't really need a video, did you farrakhan?

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:49 am

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Chris Anderson of BC's 247 site predicted Justin Johnson to BC after his visit.

WOW!!! That's pretty impressive considering the other schools we are in competition with for his services. Way to go Don!!! This should shut-up all the Wah-Wahs who constantly complain about this staff's ability to recruit.


If you don't want to be horrified, dont watch his highlights.

In fairness, wasnt Providence and Auburn in his Final 5?


You didn't really need a video, did you farrakhan?

jimmy the greek would have been better here. just sayin


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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:51 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Chris Anderson of BC's 247 site predicted Justin Johnson to BC after his visit.

WOW!!! That's pretty impressive considering the other schools we are in competition with for his services. Way to go Don!!! This should shut-up all the Wah-Wahs who constantly complain about this staff's ability to recruit.


If you don't want to be horrified, dont watch his highlights.

In fairness, wasnt Providence and Auburn in his Final 5?


You didn't really need a video, did you farrakhan?

jimmy the greek would have been better here. just sayin


Baby steps, TRE, baby steps.

you can say that all you want but you should also remember that i don't even like sports... however, i like sports analogies when discussing sports so, there's that
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:52 am

My point was that funny doesn't happen overnight. It takes time and practice.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:53 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:My point was that funny doesn't happen overnight. It takes time and practice.

like being good at sporting things. now i get it (and don't like it)
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby HJS on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:15 am

It's hard to be funny when you are pre-occupied coming up with an argument to justify Don's recruiting. Defending coaches as a an internet warrior is a full-time, serious business job.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:20 am

HJS {l Wrote}:It's hard to be funny when you are pre-occupied coming up with an argument to justify Don's recruiting. Defending coaches as a an internet warrior is a full-time, serious business job.

this isn't true of all coaches but is certainly true of our coaches (sans jerry, king of york of course)

by the way, this thread needs more names of kids that will never, ever set foot on campus (for the w3ird0s to beat off to) and less internet warrior fighting/thinly disguised racism
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby HJS on Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:00 am

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:by the way, this thread needs more names of kids that will never, ever set foot on campus (for the w3ird0s to beat off to) and less internet warrior fighting/thinly disguised racism

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby eagle9903 on Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:38 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
BCEaglesFan {l Wrote}:Chris Anderson of BC's 247 site predicted Justin Johnson to BC after his visit.

WOW!!! That's pretty impressive considering the other schools we are in competition with for his services. Way to go Don!!! This should shut-up all the Wah-Wahs who constantly complain about this staff's ability to recruit.


If you don't want to be horrified, dont watch his highlights.

In fairness, wasnt Providence and Auburn in his Final 5?


You didn't really need a video, did you farrakhan?

jimmy the greek would have been better here. just sayin


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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Brablc on Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:21 am

Looks like Dominque Uhl will have a decision tomorrow:

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:36 am

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby HJS on Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:56 am

Brablc {l Wrote}:Looks like Dominque Uhl will have a decision tomorrow:

http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/uhl-enjo ... rthcoming/

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Brablc on Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:38 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
Brablc {l Wrote}:Looks like Dominque Uhl will have a decision tomorrow:

http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/uhl-enjo ... rthcoming/

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Haha yeah, doesn't look like the prognosticators think it's likely: http://247sports.com/Player/Dominique-U ... redictions
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby 31southst on Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:23 am

Uhl to Iowa. In some ways I think this year's class is worse than last year's - you'd think we could get a pretty good guy when we only have 1 scholarship.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby commavegarage on Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:27 am

you think we can steal a sleeper from brighton high this year?
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:29 am

commavegarage {l Wrote}:you think we can steal a sleeper from brighton high this year?


Maybe Brighton High can be a new feeder school now that we've lost Fairfield Prep.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby commavegarage on Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:30 am

DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:you think we can steal a sleeper from brighton high this year?


Maybe Brighton High can be a new feeder school now that we've lost Fairfield Prep.


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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby HJS on Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:08 am

I think it is pretty clear at this point that Don sans Joe Jones is Skinner sans Cooley, O'Shea and Cohen. He has absolutely no ability to close on any of his top targets. Strangely, in spite of this undeniable truth, he casts a very small net. Under Don (with Graham, Waheed and whoever has replaced the demoted Kampmann), we will never (repeat NEVER) land anything but mid-major/Ivy league talent. As schools like Butler, Gonzaga, Wichita and VCU have recently shown, you can win with mid-major talent. However, you (a) need the right coach, (b) need the right schedule and (c) have very little margin for error. For the school, the best thing would either be to have Don win big (20+ like Skinner did his 4th year) or stagnate with a similar record as last year (which would lead to Don's ouster). The worst thing for the program would be for a middling season that puts Don on the hot seat when he needs to go out and recruit 7 new players.

While I have continuously questioned Don's recruiting the past year a half, I have never killed an actual recruit (more questioned Don not pursuing big men). All that said, Justin Johnson is not an ACC player. He is has limited athletic ability and is pretty. While that would be OK if he was 6'9"/6'10", at 6'6" he will be a 3... and will simply not be able to defend other wings in the ACC. At this point, Don should cut bait on the early signing period and hope that he can find something this winter.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby GodofBeasts94 on Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:33 am

HJS {l Wrote}:I think it is pretty clear at this point that Don sans Joe Jones is Skinner sans Cooley, O'Shea and Cohen. He has absolutely no ability to close on any of his top targets. Strangely, in spite of this undeniable truth, he casts a very small net. Under Don (with Graham, Waheed and whoever has replaced the demoted Kampmann), we will never (repeat NEVER) land anything but mid-major/Ivy league talent. As schools like Butler, Gonzaga, Wichita and VCU have recently shown, you can win with mid-major talent. However, you (a) need the right coach, (b) need the right schedule and (c) have very little margin for error. For the school, the best thing would either be to have Don win big (20+ like Skinner did his 4th year) or stagnate with a similar record as last year (which would lead to Don's ouster). The worst thing for the program would be for a middling season that puts Don on the hot seat when he needs to go out and recruit 7 new players.

While I have continuously questioned Don's recruiting the past year a half, I have never killed an actual recruit (more questioned Don not pursuing big men). All that said, Justin Johnson is not an ACC player. He is has limited athletic ability and is pretty. While that would be OK if he was 6'9"/6'10", at 6'6" he will be a 3... and will simply not be able to defend other wings in the ACC. At this point, Don should cut bait on the early signing period and hope that he can find something this winter.


To what extent do you think the unbalance of our classes affects the ability to close? If I were Uhl -- or anyone else -- I would look at the roster and say, "Where would my playing time come from Freshman year with everyone returning in 2014?" It will take a confidcent, patient and extremely good player to break into the current lineup. And let's be honest, Uhl is probably not such a sure thing that he could predict -- or be told -- that he would have 15-20 minutes a game right out of the gate. Guys understandably want to play immediately. And they want to be stars. It's hard to look at our roster -- and the Don's style of play -- and see the star opportunity (although Olivier certainly demonstrates that it can be done).

The question is, how does Donahue achieve re-balance the mess he inherited? Maybe with a couple of transfers in 2014 that can be ready to play in 2015 so he doesn't have another huge incoming class that creates a new 4-year cycle? It's not an easy situation. But I guess that's why he gets paid the big bucks.

Without question, a solid season this year with a trip to the tourney and continued success and accolades for Olivier and Ryan (and for Reggie for that matter!) will help. Great players will see this as a viable place to advance their careers.

Wouldn't hurt if Conte Forum developed a pulse..........watching the students leave the FSU and Army games in the 2nd half doesn't give me much hope that we've turned the corner on antipathy........
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:38 am

31southst {l Wrote}:Uhl to Iowa. In some ways I think this year's class is worse than last year's - you'd think we could get a pretty good guy when we only have 1 scholarship.

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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby HJS on Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:07 am

GodofBeasts94 {l Wrote}:To what extent do you think the unbalance of our classes affects the ability to close? If I were Uhl -- or anyone else -- I would look at the roster and say, "Where would my playing time come from Freshman year with everyone returning in 2014?" It will take a confidcent, patient and extremely good player to break into the current lineup. And let's be honest, Uhl is probably not such a sure thing that he could predict -- or be told -- that he would have 15-20 minutes a game right out of the gate. Guys understandably want to play immediately. And they want to be stars. It's hard to look at our roster -- and the Don's style of play -- and see the star opportunity (although Olivier certainly demonstrates that it can be done).

The question is, how does Donahue achieve re-balance the mess he inherited? Maybe with a couple of transfers in 2014 that can be ready to play in 2015 so he doesn't have another huge incoming class that creates a new 4-year cycle? It's not an easy situation. But I guess that's why he gets paid the big bucks.

Without question, a solid season this year with a trip to the tourney and continued success and accolades for Olivier and Ryan (and for Reggie for that matter!) will help. Great players will see this as a viable place to advance their careers.

Wouldn't hurt if Conte Forum developed a pulse..........watching the students leave the FSU and Army games in the 2nd half doesn't give me much hope that we've turned the corner on antipathy........

Seriously???

First... Don had 4 years to adjust the imbalance of his classes. He didn't address and actually made it worse. I personally believe that Don LIKES the imbalanced class. He did it at Cornell and he did it at BC. He takes a big class... suffers with them... and then hopes to pop in Year 4. In other words... blaming Skinner is like Barry still mentioning W.

Second... an athletic big has PLENTY of PT available. Right now, we are scheduling Drag and Owens to get a ton of run. Uhl or whoever has NEVER heard of those guys. So, they could easily believe they would be immediate starters.

Third... there is always excuses as to why you will lose a recruit (location, conference, PT, history, coach, success, bribery, AAU sleeze, connections). It is the effing job of the assistants (essentially their ONLY job) to convince a kid to overlook those problems of your school and to highlight those problems of another. Don has surrounded himself with assistants who have no experience recruiting at the high major level... and the results of the current 0-player recruiting class are self-evident.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:29 am

The past two seasons, everyone that has seen this program has known that they were going to be one more star away from being a serious ACC contender over the next two seasons. Reporters are reporting that the team looks good, coaches are seeing these guys in practice, and the fans know that experienced teams do very well in college hoop. It should not have been a tough sell to one of the local guys (Vonleh is the biggest example) that they would be the player that could step right in and make BC one of the 2-3 favorites to win the ACC. Instead, they end up with Hicks, Owens and Magarity (decent players with potential but no instant impact guys) and nothing in this upcoming class as of yet.
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby Primetime on Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:38 pm

Samuel Dingba - Quinnipiac

Did we rule him out or did he rule us out?
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Re: recruiting 2014 and beyond (h00ps weird0s beat off list)

Postby claver2010 on Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:14 pm

Primetime {l Wrote}:Samuel Dingba - Quinnipiac

Did we rule him out or did he rule us out?



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