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MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:

Iggle {l Wrote}:is Hanlan a legit ACC ROY candidate? more importantly, does he have a legit shot at winning the ACC ROY given that he plays for BC and the team is still not good?

Almost every game the announcers suggest he is the leading candidate to win ACC ROY. Who else is in contention?

MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:

Iggle {l Wrote}:is Hanlan a legit ACC ROY candidate? more importantly, does he have a legit shot at winning the ACC ROY given that he plays for BC and the team is still not good?

Almost every game the announcers suggest he is the leading candidate to win ACC ROY. Who else is in contention?

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Solid win.

Logan Aronholt was the leading scorer for MD? Christ that is bad. Both in that that was their best option and that BC gave up that many to Albany's third option last season. I hadn't even realized he transferred there.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:anyone notice that this team is now no. 2 in the ACC in team FT% at .720. That's a big improvement from earlier in the year.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

Only some offense intended, but you have dismissed half of the contributing members of the team as non contributors either before they played a game or before they played a whole season (most notably criticisms of Odio, Rahon, Jackson but you are also on record as thinking the Hanlan/Rahon recruiting class wasn't talented enough to compete in the ACC). This team is adding two more players(i won't count Donahue the player at this point since he gets not schollie) at least next year and my guess would be four. The depth issue should be diminished, one way or another. We will see.

It is absurd to say Donahue can't recruit and to say Hanlan is going to be less than a four year player at this point (because those things are contradictory). It is also absurd to say Donahue can't recruit bigs when his PF is the fourth leading rebounder and sixth leading scorer in the ACC and his talented 7'0 center got hurt especially when the attempted point is that he should have an extra 7'0 center lying around for such circumstances. At this point people are down to complaining that the 2011 class is too big which is completely and utterly retarded, unless they were proponents of fielding a 5-6 scholarship team. Or people are down to carving out stupid niches, like Donahue can't recruit players over 6'6 since Joe Jones left which lacks heartily for shown causal relationship not to mention its prematurity.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

Only some offense intended, but you have dismissed half of the contributing members of the team as non contributors either before they played a game or before they played a whole season (most notably criticisms of Odio, Rahon, Jackson but you are also on record as thinking the Hanlan/Rahon recruiting class wasn't talented enough to compete in the ACC). This team is adding two more players(i won't count Donahue the player at this point since he gets not schollie) at least next year and my guess would be four. The depth issue should be diminished, one way or another. We will see.

It is absurd to say Donahue can't recruit and to say Hanlan is going to be less than a four year player at this point (because those things are contradictory). It is also absurd to say Donahue can't recruit bigs when his PF is the fourth leading rebounder and sixth leading scorer in the ACC and his talented 7'0 center got hurt especially when the attempted point is that he should have an extra 7'0 center lying around for such circumstances. At this point people are down to complaining that the 2011 class is too big which is completely and utterly retarded, unless they were proponents of fielding a 5-6 scholarship team. Or people are down to carving out stupid niches, like Donahue can't recruit players over 6'6 since Joe Jones left which lacks heartily for shown causal relationship not to mention its prematurity.

Recruiting is not just bringing in 2 guys that are legit and a bunch of marginal guys that contribute. The point missing in your post is that recruiting 1 top guard and 1 top big man in 3 years is hardly proof of good recruiting.

1st, the concept of what constitutes a "marginal" player is wrong. This is similar to the "ACC Player" designation of old. Going through former BC teams, it is not normal to have more than 2 All-ACC/BE candidate players on a given team. Odio, Jackson and Clifford are all solid recruitment gets. Heckmann is a contributor with upside. Caudill and Moton are the only clear recruiting misses. Daniels is whatever you want to call him.

Depth has always been an issue. That's recruiting. The guard problem can be blamed on Daniels leaving (fair excuse) and having to run 3-guard (not fair excuse because of next point) but the forward problem is an abysmal failure in recruiting. BC has one healthy player over 6'5'' that can truly contribute to a winning team. Unacceptable.

Sure, if you accept the "run-off" of all Skinner players as blameable and you assume a coach coming from the Ivy league (even with Joe Jones DURRRRRP) to somehow bring in a real recruiting class after an April hire and assume the blind injuries should be accounted for myth, then depth is an issue blameable on recruiting. This is added to if you want to conflate roster management with depth, assume Humphrey or Daniels would improve the situation through their added depth rather than causing a fuckload of additional problems in terms of developing their far superior replacements. What former BC teams would be able to replace their starting center in the case of injury? Not the senior year Bell team, that's why it didn't make the tourney. What peer ACC teams would be able to do so? This is oft repeated but remains wrong.

That said, he certainly did a good job with Hanlan, Rahon and Anderson, I give him credit for Clifford, and he filled in with some nice pieces like Jackson. The problem is that there were too many misses to provide sufficient depth. He has time to fix it, but he better do it soon - Drago will help but Owens is a long term fix and there is no big on the horizon. He must get a decent big in this class.

There are two clear misses as far as recruited high school students. One was in the transition class. I don't like Van Nest but he is contributing and it is better to have him than not have him. Since Clifford's injury wasn't known until the season began or right before, he was a reasonable acquisition at the time. Humphrey stinks. Is three misses really too many? Or are we pretending that Odio, Jackson and Heckmann aren't and can't be contributors?

Bunratty {l Wrote}:The jury is still out on Donahue's ability to recruit. Hanlan (especially) and Rahon were good gets. So far next year is not so good, to put it mildly. By all accounts Garland Owens is a "project" and the other recruits ..... oh, wait ...... there are no other recruits.

commavegarage {l Wrote}:also a 4-1 finish (so lose to duke beat nc state uva clemson and gt) would be massive because it would put us at 16-15 pre tournament.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

Bunratty {l Wrote}:The jury is still out on Donahue's ability to recruit. Hanlan (especially) and Rahon were good gets. So far next year is not so good, to put it mildly. By all accounts Garland Owens is a "project" and the other recruits ..... oh, wait ...... there are no other recruits.

Right the jury is still out. Last year around this time Donahue couldn't recruit because Olivier Hanlan and Joe Rahon were both unheralded, now Garland Owens is a project. I absolutely love calling the recruiting class before its over too.

Bunratty {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

Bunratty {l Wrote}:The jury is still out on Donahue's ability to recruit. Hanlan (especially) and Rahon were good gets. So far next year is not so good, to put it mildly. By all accounts Garland Owens is a "project" and the other recruits ..... oh, wait ...... there are no other recruits.

Right the jury is still out. Last year around this time Donahue couldn't recruit because Olivier Hanlan and Joe Rahon were both unheralded, now Garland Owens is a project. I absolutely love calling the recruiting class before its over too.

Incorrect. Hanlan was Rivals 3-star with offers from Dayton, Rice, TCU and VTech. He was "blowing up" in recruiting circles, but committed early on 10/25/12. Rahon was also a Rivals 3-star with offers from Fresno St., Georgetown, Loyola, St. Mary's, San Diego and San Diego St. He committed on 10/12/12. Conversely, Owens is unranked by Rivals and has offers from New Hampshire, N.J.I.T., Hartford, Seton Hall, and UTEP. Virtually every write up on him refers to him as a "project" particularly offensively. Maybe he'll surprise - we'll see.

The bigger concern is that it is 2/20/13 and The Don has whiffed on several good recruits and there is no one else in sight. It's getting late.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

Only some offense intended, but you have dismissed half of the contributing members of the team as non contributors either before they played a game or before they played a whole season (most notably criticisms of Odio, Rahon, Jackson but you are also on record as thinking the Hanlan/Rahon recruiting class wasn't talented enough to compete in the ACC). This team is adding two more players(i won't count Donahue the player at this point since he gets not schollie) at least next year and my guess would be four. The depth issue should be diminished, one way or another. We will see.

It is absurd to say Donahue can't recruit and to say Hanlan is going to be less than a four year player at this point (because those things are contradictory). It is also absurd to say Donahue can't recruit bigs when his PF is the fourth leading rebounder and sixth leading scorer in the ACC and his talented 7'0 center got hurt especially when the attempted point is that he should have an extra 7'0 center lying around for such circumstances. At this point people are down to complaining that the 2011 class is too big which is completely and utterly retarded, unless they were proponents of fielding a 5-6 scholarship team. Or people are down to carving out stupid niches, like Donahue can't recruit players over 6'6 since Joe Jones left which lacks heartily for shown causal relationship not to mention its prematurity.

Recruiting is not just bringing in 2 guys that are legit and a bunch of marginal guys that contribute. The point missing in your post is that recruiting 1 top guard and 1 top big man in 3 years is hardly proof of good recruiting.

1st, the concept of what constitutes a "marginal" player is wrong. This is similar to the "ACC Player" designation of old. Going through former BC teams, it is not normal to have more than 2 All-ACC/BE candidate players on a given team. Odio, Jackson and Clifford are all solid recruitment gets. Heckmann is a contributor with upside. Caudill and Moton are the only clear recruiting misses. Daniels is whatever you want to call him.

Depth has always been an issue. That's recruiting. The guard problem can be blamed on Daniels leaving (fair excuse) and having to run 3-guard (not fair excuse because of next point) but the forward problem is an abysmal failure in recruiting. BC has one healthy player over 6'5'' that can truly contribute to a winning team. Unacceptable.

Sure, if you accept the "run-off" of all Skinner players as blameable and you assume a coach coming from the Ivy league (even with Joe Jones DURRRRRP) to somehow bring in a real recruiting class after an April hire and assume the blind injuries should be accounted for myth, then depth is an issue blameable on recruiting. This is added to if you want to conflate roster management with depth, assume Humphrey or Daniels would improve the situation through their added depth rather than causing a fuckload of additional problems in terms of developing their far superior replacements. What former BC teams would be able to replace their starting center in the case of injury? Not the senior year Bell team, that's why it didn't make the tourney. What peer ACC teams would be able to do so? This is oft repeated but remains wrong.

That said, he certainly did a good job with Hanlan, Rahon and Anderson, I give him credit for Clifford, and he filled in with some nice pieces like Jackson. The problem is that there were too many misses to provide sufficient depth. He has time to fix it, but he better do it soon - Drago will help but Owens is a long term fix and there is no big on the horizon. He must get a decent big in this class.

There are two clear misses as far as recruited high school students. One was in the transition class. I don't like Van Nest but he is contributing and it is better to have him than not have him. Since Clifford's injury wasn't known until the season began or right before, he was a reasonable acquisition at the time. Humphrey stinks. Is three misses really too many? Or are we pretending that Odio, Jackson and Heckmann aren't and can't be contributors?

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

Only some offense intended, but you have dismissed half of the contributing members of the team as non contributors either before they played a game or before they played a whole season (most notably criticisms of Odio, Rahon, Jackson but you are also on record as thinking the Hanlan/Rahon recruiting class wasn't talented enough to compete in the ACC). This team is adding two more players(i won't count Donahue the player at this point since he gets not schollie) at least next year and my guess would be four. The depth issue should be diminished, one way or another. We will see.

It is absurd to say Donahue can't recruit and to say Hanlan is going to be less than a four year player at this point (because those things are contradictory). It is also absurd to say Donahue can't recruit bigs when his PF is the fourth leading rebounder and sixth leading scorer in the ACC and his talented 7'0 center got hurt especially when the attempted point is that he should have an extra 7'0 center lying around for such circumstances. At this point people are down to complaining that the 2011 class is too big which is completely and utterly retarded, unless they were proponents of fielding a 5-6 scholarship team. Or people are down to carving out stupid niches, like Donahue can't recruit players over 6'6 since Joe Jones left which lacks heartily for shown causal relationship not to mention its prematurity.

Recruiting is not just bringing in 2 guys that are legit and a bunch of marginal guys that contribute. The point missing in your post is that recruiting 1 top guard and 1 top big man in 3 years is hardly proof of good recruiting.

1st, the concept of what constitutes a "marginal" player is wrong. This is similar to the "ACC Player" designation of old. Going through former BC teams, it is not normal to have more than 2 All-ACC/BE candidate players on a given team. Odio, Jackson and Clifford are all solid recruitment gets. Heckmann is a contributor with upside. Caudill and Moton are the only clear recruiting misses. Daniels is whatever you want to call him.

Depth has always been an issue. That's recruiting. The guard problem can be blamed on Daniels leaving (fair excuse) and having to run 3-guard (not fair excuse because of next point) but the forward problem is an abysmal failure in recruiting. BC has one healthy player over 6'5'' that can truly contribute to a winning team. Unacceptable.

Sure, if you accept the "run-off" of all Skinner players as blameable and you assume a coach coming from the Ivy league (even with Joe Jones DURRRRRP) to somehow bring in a real recruiting class after an April hire and assume the blind injuries should be accounted for myth, then depth is an issue blameable on recruiting. This is added to if you want to conflate roster management with depth, assume Humphrey or Daniels would improve the situation through their added depth rather than causing a fuckload of additional problems in terms of developing their far superior replacements. What former BC teams would be able to replace their starting center in the case of injury? Not the senior year Bell team, that's why it didn't make the tourney. What peer ACC teams would be able to do so? This is oft repeated but remains wrong.

That said, he certainly did a good job with Hanlan, Rahon and Anderson, I give him credit for Clifford, and he filled in with some nice pieces like Jackson. The problem is that there were too many misses to provide sufficient depth. He has time to fix it, but he better do it soon - Drago will help but Owens is a long term fix and there is no big on the horizon. He must get a decent big in this class.

There are two clear misses as far as recruited high school students. One was in the transition class. I don't like Van Nest but he is contributing and it is better to have him than not have him. Since Clifford's injury wasn't known until the season began or right before, he was a reasonable acquisition at the time. Humphrey stinks. Is three misses really too many? Or are we pretending that Odio, Jackson and Heckmann aren't and can't be contributors?

Can't possibly disagree with your first point more. Solid recruiting gets for a below .500 conference team during a down period of the conference. I'd rather win.

Second point, you have the excuse train talking points down.

Third point, I disagree with your definition of "clear misses". If you are looking to win a conference championship, there are a ton of misses. Ever to Reach .500!

Final point. Odio is not a good basketball player. He works hard, jumps high, and shouldn't be on an ACC roster.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

Only some offense intended, but you have dismissed half of the contributing members of the team as non contributors either before they played a game or before they played a whole season (most notably criticisms of Odio, Rahon, Jackson but you are also on record as thinking the Hanlan/Rahon recruiting class wasn't talented enough to compete in the ACC). This team is adding two more players(i won't count Donahue the player at this point since he gets not schollie) at least next year and my guess would be four. The depth issue should be diminished, one way or another. We will see.

It is absurd to say Donahue can't recruit and to say Hanlan is going to be less than a four year player at this point (because those things are contradictory). It is also absurd to say Donahue can't recruit bigs when his PF is the fourth leading rebounder and sixth leading scorer in the ACC and his talented 7'0 center got hurt especially when the attempted point is that he should have an extra 7'0 center lying around for such circumstances. At this point people are down to complaining that the 2011 class is too big which is completely and utterly retarded, unless they were proponents of fielding a 5-6 scholarship team. Or people are down to carving out stupid niches, like Donahue can't recruit players over 6'6 since Joe Jones left which lacks heartily for shown causal relationship not to mention its prematurity.

Recruiting is not just bringing in 2 guys that are legit and a bunch of marginal guys that contribute. The point missing in your post is that recruiting 1 top guard and 1 top big man in 3 years is hardly proof of good recruiting.

1st, the concept of what constitutes a "marginal" player is wrong. This is similar to the "ACC Player" designation of old. Going through former BC teams, it is not normal to have more than 2 All-ACC/BE candidate players on a given team. Odio, Jackson and Clifford are all solid recruitment gets. Heckmann is a contributor with upside. Caudill and Moton are the only clear recruiting misses. Daniels is whatever you want to call him.

Depth has always been an issue. That's recruiting. The guard problem can be blamed on Daniels leaving (fair excuse) and having to run 3-guard (not fair excuse because of next point) but the forward problem is an abysmal failure in recruiting. BC has one healthy player over 6'5'' that can truly contribute to a winning team. Unacceptable.

Sure, if you accept the "run-off" of all Skinner players as blameable and you assume a coach coming from the Ivy league (even with Joe Jones DURRRRRP) to somehow bring in a real recruiting class after an April hire and assume the blind injuries should be accounted for myth, then depth is an issue blameable on recruiting. This is added to if you want to conflate roster management with depth, assume Humphrey or Daniels would improve the situation through their added depth rather than causing a fuckload of additional problems in terms of developing their far superior replacements. What former BC teams would be able to replace their starting center in the case of injury? Not the senior year Bell team, that's why it didn't make the tourney. What peer ACC teams would be able to do so? This is oft repeated but remains wrong.

That said, he certainly did a good job with Hanlan, Rahon and Anderson, I give him credit for Clifford, and he filled in with some nice pieces like Jackson. The problem is that there were too many misses to provide sufficient depth. He has time to fix it, but he better do it soon - Drago will help but Owens is a long term fix and there is no big on the horizon. He must get a decent big in this class.

There are two clear misses as far as recruited high school students. One was in the transition class. I don't like Van Nest but he is contributing and it is better to have him than not have him. Since Clifford's injury wasn't known until the season began or right before, he was a reasonable acquisition at the time. Humphrey stinks. Is three misses really too many? Or are we pretending that Odio, Jackson and Heckmann aren't and can't be contributors?

Can't possibly disagree with your first point more. Solid recruiting gets for a below .500 conference team during a down period of the conference. I'd rather win.

Second point, you have the excuse train talking points down.

Third point, I disagree with your definition of "clear misses". If you are looking to win a conference championship, there are a ton of misses. Ever to Reach .500!

Final point. Odio is not a good basketball player. He works hard, jumps high, and shouldn't be on an ACC roster.

OK, so even though what we've been talking about all along has been first to get back into the tournament by next season, we've now moved the goalposts to conference champion. I'll take that as a good sign.

Your Odio comment is assinine. Name your clear misses.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

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eepstein0 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

Only some offense intended, but you have dismissed half of the contributing members of the team as non contributors either before they played a game or before they played a whole season (most notably criticisms of Odio, Rahon, Jackson but you are also on record as thinking the Hanlan/Rahon recruiting class wasn't talented enough to compete in the ACC). This team is adding two more players(i won't count Donahue the player at this point since he gets not schollie) at least next year and my guess would be four. The depth issue should be diminished, one way or another. We will see.

It is absurd to say Donahue can't recruit and to say Hanlan is going to be less than a four year player at this point (because those things are contradictory). It is also absurd to say Donahue can't recruit bigs when his PF is the fourth leading rebounder and sixth leading scorer in the ACC and his talented 7'0 center got hurt especially when the attempted point is that he should have an extra 7'0 center lying around for such circumstances. At this point people are down to complaining that the 2011 class is too big which is completely and utterly retarded, unless they were proponents of fielding a 5-6 scholarship team. Or people are down to carving out stupid niches, like Donahue can't recruit players over 6'6 since Joe Jones left which lacks heartily for shown causal relationship not to mention its prematurity.

Recruiting is not just bringing in 2 guys that are legit and a bunch of marginal guys that contribute. The point missing in your post is that recruiting 1 top guard and 1 top big man in 3 years is hardly proof of good recruiting.

1st, the concept of what constitutes a "marginal" player is wrong. This is similar to the "ACC Player" designation of old. Going through former BC teams, it is not normal to have more than 2 All-ACC/BE candidate players on a given team. Odio, Jackson and Clifford are all solid recruitment gets. Heckmann is a contributor with upside. Caudill and Moton are the only clear recruiting misses. Daniels is whatever you want to call him.

Depth has always been an issue. That's recruiting. The guard problem can be blamed on Daniels leaving (fair excuse) and having to run 3-guard (not fair excuse because of next point) but the forward problem is an abysmal failure in recruiting. BC has one healthy player over 6'5'' that can truly contribute to a winning team. Unacceptable.

Sure, if you accept the "run-off" of all Skinner players as blameable and you assume a coach coming from the Ivy league (even with Joe Jones DURRRRRP) to somehow bring in a real recruiting class after an April hire and assume the blind injuries should be accounted for myth, then depth is an issue blameable on recruiting. This is added to if you want to conflate roster management with depth, assume Humphrey or Daniels would improve the situation through their added depth rather than causing a fuckload of additional problems in terms of developing their far superior replacements. What former BC teams would be able to replace their starting center in the case of injury? Not the senior year Bell team, that's why it didn't make the tourney. What peer ACC teams would be able to do so? This is oft repeated but remains wrong.

That said, he certainly did a good job with Hanlan, Rahon and Anderson, I give him credit for Clifford, and he filled in with some nice pieces like Jackson. The problem is that there were too many misses to provide sufficient depth. He has time to fix it, but he better do it soon - Drago will help but Owens is a long term fix and there is no big on the horizon. He must get a decent big in this class.

There are two clear misses as far as recruited high school students. One was in the transition class. I don't like Van Nest but he is contributing and it is better to have him than not have him. Since Clifford's injury wasn't known until the season began or right before, he was a reasonable acquisition at the time. Humphrey stinks. Is three misses really too many? Or are we pretending that Odio, Jackson and Heckmann aren't and can't be contributors?

Can't possibly disagree with your first point more. Solid recruiting gets for a below .500 conference team during a down period of the conference. I'd rather win.

Second point, you have the excuse train talking points down.

Third point, I disagree with your definition of "clear misses". If you are looking to win a conference championship, there are a ton of misses. Ever to Reach .500!

Final point. Odio is not a good basketball player. He works hard, jumps high, and shouldn't be on an ACC roster.

OK, so even though what we've been talking about all along has been first to get back into the tournament by next season, we've now moved the goalposts to conference champion. I'll take that as a good sign.

Your Odio comment is assinine. Name your clear misses.

No. Attacking a team with 4 conference wins is piling on. Their performance is shitty enough on its own. Your mental gymnastics to defend a mediocre roster with no depth and a sub-.500 record caught my attention, but I am not interested in turning this into another 5 page thread on 3 point make percentage versus take percentage as a measure of defense.

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eagle9903 {l Wrote}:so before one of you assholes goes in this direction, on BCI right now one poster is still saying Donahue can't recruit and on the topic above another poster is complaining about how Hanlan will probably leave early for the NBA and Donahue hasn't recruited his replacement yet. FUCKING BRILLIANT!

This win aside, we need more help next year. A guard and a big. Just having more scholarship bodies.

Van Nest was decent last night. Hopefully he continues to play more

Only some offense intended, but you have dismissed half of the contributing members of the team as non contributors either before they played a game or before they played a whole season (most notably criticisms of Odio, Rahon, Jackson but you are also on record as thinking the Hanlan/Rahon recruiting class wasn't talented enough to compete in the ACC). This team is adding two more players(i won't count Donahue the player at this point since he gets not schollie) at least next year and my guess would be four. The depth issue should be diminished, one way or another. We will see.

It is absurd to say Donahue can't recruit and to say Hanlan is going to be less than a four year player at this point (because those things are contradictory). It is also absurd to say Donahue can't recruit bigs when his PF is the fourth leading rebounder and sixth leading scorer in the ACC and his talented 7'0 center got hurt especially when the attempted point is that he should have an extra 7'0 center lying around for such circumstances. At this point people are down to complaining that the 2011 class is too big which is completely and utterly retarded, unless they were proponents of fielding a 5-6 scholarship team. Or people are down to carving out stupid niches, like Donahue can't recruit players over 6'6 since Joe Jones left which lacks heartily for shown causal relationship not to mention its prematurity.

Recruiting is not just bringing in 2 guys that are legit and a bunch of marginal guys that contribute. The point missing in your post is that recruiting 1 top guard and 1 top big man in 3 years is hardly proof of good recruiting.

1st, the concept of what constitutes a "marginal" player is wrong. This is similar to the "ACC Player" designation of old. Going through former BC teams, it is not normal to have more than 2 All-ACC/BE candidate players on a given team. Odio, Jackson and Clifford are all solid recruitment gets. Heckmann is a contributor with upside. Caudill and Moton are the only clear recruiting misses. Daniels is whatever you want to call him.

Depth has always been an issue. That's recruiting. The guard problem can be blamed on Daniels leaving (fair excuse) and having to run 3-guard (not fair excuse because of next point) but the forward problem is an abysmal failure in recruiting. BC has one healthy player over 6'5'' that can truly contribute to a winning team. Unacceptable.

Sure, if you accept the "run-off" of all Skinner players as blameable and you assume a coach coming from the Ivy league (even with Joe Jones DURRRRRP) to somehow bring in a real recruiting class after an April hire and assume the blind injuries should be accounted for myth, then depth is an issue blameable on recruiting. This is added to if you want to conflate roster management with depth, assume Humphrey or Daniels would improve the situation through their added depth rather than causing a fuckload of additional problems in terms of developing their far superior replacements. What former BC teams would be able to replace their starting center in the case of injury? Not the senior year Bell team, that's why it didn't make the tourney. What peer ACC teams would be able to do so? This is oft repeated but remains wrong.

That said, he certainly did a good job with Hanlan, Rahon and Anderson, I give him credit for Clifford, and he filled in with some nice pieces like Jackson. The problem is that there were too many misses to provide sufficient depth. He has time to fix it, but he better do it soon - Drago will help but Owens is a long term fix and there is no big on the horizon. He must get a decent big in this class.

There are two clear misses as far as recruited high school students. One was in the transition class. I don't like Van Nest but he is contributing and it is better to have him than not have him. Since Clifford's injury wasn't known until the season began or right before, he was a reasonable acquisition at the time. Humphrey stinks. Is three misses really too many? Or are we pretending that Odio, Jackson and Heckmann aren't and can't be contributors?

Can't possibly disagree with your first point more. Solid recruiting gets for a below .500 conference team during a down period of the conference. I'd rather win.

Second point, you have the excuse train talking points down.

Third point, I disagree with your definition of "clear misses". If you are looking to win a conference championship, there are a ton of misses. Ever to Reach .500!

Final point. Odio is not a good basketball player. He works hard, jumps high, and shouldn't be on an ACC roster.

OK, so even though what we've been talking about all along has been first to get back into the tournament by next season, we've now moved the goalposts to conference champion. I'll take that as a good sign.

Your Odio comment is assinine. Name your clear misses.

No. Attacking a team with 4 conference wins is piling on. Their performance is shitty enough on its own. Your mental gymnastics to defend a mediocre roster with no depth and a sub-.500 record caught my attention, but I am not interested in turning this into another 5 page thread on 3 point make percentage versus take percentage as a measure of defense.

So to recap, you created your own standard of good recruiting. It is indefensible when compared to reality. When faced with the task of trying to comport your tortured standard with reality you took your ball and went home.

Its better than last year and your blanket "players don't really improve as they play more" stance.