bcmurph {l Wrote}:Speaking of depth, anyone know what happened to Heckmann today?
He blew a few defensive assignment and found a seat next to Donahue.
He'll be gone next year anyway
bcmurph {l Wrote}:Speaking of depth, anyone know what happened to Heckmann today?
MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:I am still convinced that Donahue is a good coach but he has major difficulty recruiting talent. I think it was only after the 2011 class that he realized what it takes to be successful in the ACC.
Next year is NCAA tourney or bust. I think we can make it and adding Owens will certainly help, but without more recruits we will still be thin.
I've started retyping a reply to this post four times, none could express just how dumb I think the first two lines are. Clifford, Anderson and Jackson are still fine, just like they were before this loss. There was no epiphany. The difference is that there was no longer an empty F'ing roster to fill with bodies in 2012.
I will be done with Donahue if they are not a bubble team next year. I nearly guarantee Donahue gets a fourth year if he has a .500 record next year and maybe even if not and I wonder what BC athletics department people who think otherwise have been watching. I'm not saying this is good, its generally terrible but it is what is likely to happen.
My problem from the 2011 class isn't that we recruited zero talented players, but rather that we lacked consistency. Anderson, Clifford, and Jackson were all good recruits who I was happy with from Day 1. They had few high major offers but were getting tons of interest - similar to Rahon and Hanlan. The problem is that Donahue combined getting under-the-radar recruits that had lot of potential with other players that had zero interest from any of the big conferences - Caudill, Odio, and arguably Heckmann. Donahue doesn't have to be Ed Cooley on the recruiting trail to be successful, but he should at least be successful enough to beat out other schools that are towards the top of mid-major conferences or towards the bottom of major conferences. Instead, half of Donahue's roster are players that not even Big East bottom feeders wanted.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:For those who didn't watch or pretend not to remember last year this is what last year was like.
We played much better last year at UVA. This performance is a joke
73CAV {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:For those who didn't watch or pretend not to remember last year this is what last year was like.
We played much better last year at UVA. This performance is a joke
Which game at UVa? UVa won 66 - 49 in 2012, and Virginia shot 50% or better in both halves.
2008Eagle {l Wrote}:73CAV {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:For those who didn't watch or pretend not to remember last year this is what last year was like.
We played much better last year at UVA. This performance is a joke
Which game at UVa? UVa won 66 - 49 in 2012, and Virginia shot 50% or better in both halves.
Did you see that game? BC was only down a few until a couple minutes to go, then UVA ran away with it after BC ran out of gas late in the 2nd half.
73CAV {l Wrote}:2008Eagle {l Wrote}:73CAV {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:For those who didn't watch or pretend not to remember last year this is what last year was like.
We played much better last year at UVA. This performance is a joke
Which game at UVa? UVa won 66 - 49 in 2012, and Virginia shot 50% or better in both halves.
Did you see that game? BC was only down a few until a couple minutes to go, then UVA ran away with it after BC ran out of gas late in the 2nd half.
I don't remember it that way. At the half, it was UVa 31 - 23. In the second, UVA outscored BC 35 - 26. Virginia shot above 50% in each half. BC was 40% or lower in both halves. BC did go on a brief run (8 straight points) to tie things at about the 10 minute mark of the second half, but UVa outscored them 22 - 5 the rest of the way.
73CAV {l Wrote}:2008Eagle {l Wrote}:73CAV {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:For those who didn't watch or pretend not to remember last year this is what last year was like.
We played much better last year at UVA. This performance is a joke
Which game at UVa? UVa won 66 - 49 in 2012, and Virginia shot 50% or better in both halves.
Did you see that game? BC was only down a few until a couple minutes to go, then UVA ran away with it after BC ran out of gas late in the 2nd half.
I don't remember it that way. At the half, it was UVa 31 - 23. In the second, UVA outscored BC 35 - 26. Virginia shot above 50% in each half. BC was 40% or lower in both halves. BC did go on a brief run (8 straight points) to tie things at about the 10 minute mark of the second half, but UVa outscored them 22 - 5 the rest of the way.
apbc12 {l Wrote}:73CAV {l Wrote}:2008Eagle {l Wrote}:73CAV {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:For those who didn't watch or pretend not to remember last year this is what last year was like.
We played much better last year at UVA. This performance is a joke
Which game at UVa? UVa won 66 - 49 in 2012, and Virginia shot 50% or better in both halves.
Did you see that game? BC was only down a few until a couple minutes to go, then UVA ran away with it after BC ran out of gas late in the 2nd half.
I don't remember it that way. At the half, it was UVa 31 - 23. In the second, UVA outscored BC 35 - 26. Virginia shot above 50% in each half. BC was 40% or lower in both halves. BC did go on a brief run (8 straight points) to tie things at about the 10 minute mark of the second half, but UVa outscored them 22 - 5 the rest of the way.
More importantly, were there any good sales at Costco that day?
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:wouldn't that be trippling down?
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:so quadrupling down then... because that would be double, doubling down. or is it like two negatives and actually the second dribble off the foot made them both positive?
HJS {l Wrote}:...With the FB team in the crapper (and only BB enthralled by The Dazzler), I could see him trying to desperately make BC relevant by having a short leash with Don and replacing him with a "name" hire.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:...With the FB team in the crapper (and only BB enthralled by The Dazzler), I could see him trying to desperately make BC relevant by having a short leash with Don and replacing him with a "name" hire.
would the hiring of frank addazio sort of fly in the face of your suggestion...
HJS {l Wrote}:ideally, to accomplish a barely-in NCAA tourney bid next year, this year's team would be good enough for the NIT.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:ideally, to accomplish a barely-in NCAA tourney bid next year, this year's team would be good enough for the NIT.
I don't think this is true.
HJS {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:ideally, to accomplish a barely-in NCAA tourney bid next year, this year's team would be good enough for the NIT.
I don't think this is true.
But, you don't think it is not true. VALUE ADDED!!!
HJS {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:ideally, to accomplish a barely-in NCAA tourney bid next year, this year's team would be good enough for the NIT.
I don't think this is true.
But, you don't think it is not true. VALUE ADDED!!!
73CAV {l Wrote}:Next year I see:
BC - Improved
Clemson- Worse, if not gone
Duke - Little Change
FSU - Improved, if not gone
Georgia Tech - Improved, if not gone
UNC - Slightly Improved, if not gone
N C State - Slightly worse
Maryland - Improved, if not gone.
Miami - Worse
Virginia - Improved, if not gone
VPI - Worse, if possible
Wake - Improved
Then, of course, there are the additions of Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville. Being better may not be enough next year.
HJS {l Wrote}:I want to clarify my post from yesterday. The way this re-build-thing was meant to work under Don was (a) get a large, recruiting class that is sprinkled with real talent, (b) supplement that class each recruiting year based upon needs that show-up as the big class develops, (c) get that big class to a bubble team/1-and-done NCAA appearance junior year and (d) ride the now senior-laden team through a solid NCAA Tourney run.
Don has accomplished (a) with the class of Clifford, Anderson, LoJack, Heck...
He has been doing a good job with (b) by filling in needs (Rahon and Hanlan) but still has been unable to land the much-needed big...
He still hasn't had a chance for (c) or (d).
The reason why I said I am beginning to wonder if next year will be Don's last is that, ideally, to accomplish a barely-in NCAA tourney bid next year, this year's team would be good enough for the NIT. It is really not that big of a deal that they got killed by UVA. As I said previously, very often, close losses hurt more than what happened Saturday. However, what absolutely NEEDS to happen is that this team needs to start winning games... some against impressive opponents. They NEED something tangible to show for all their hard work. If they don't start seeing it, you will see the kids trying to do too much and that's when beatdowns will occur with regularity.
If they don't take a concrete step forward this season in win totals (not moral victories), they will not be a bubble team next year. And, if they are not a bubble team next year, Don shouldn't be given 5th year. With the FB team in the crapper (and only BB enthralled by The Dazzler), I could see him trying to desperately make BC relevant by having a short leash with Don and replacing him with a "name" hire.
HJS {l Wrote}:73CAV {l Wrote}:Next year I see:
BC - Improved
Clemson- Worse, if not gone
Duke - Little Change
FSU - Improved, if not gone
Georgia Tech - Improved, if not gone
UNC - Slightly Improved, if not gone
N C State - Slightly worse
Maryland - Improved, if not gone.
Miami - Worse
Virginia - Improved, if not gone
VPI - Worse, if possible
Wake - Improved
Then, of course, there are the additions of Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville. Being better may not be enough next year.
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