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pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Did I hear right? VT has 6 scholarship players suited up tonight? Shaddix of course will claim this 2nd road win (if) of the last 2 seasons means they are officially over that hump.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying without that our team has played good ball, enough to get the job done with 95% of scoring coming from underclassmen. Did you think BC would be Clemson, VT, and a ranked FSU last year? Hell no, but they raised their game and they did. They are playing decent ball now.

Your main problem is that you take their high end of achievement as some kind of average. The horrible losses even those wins out and put them in a place far below their max potential over the course of a full season. Do I believe they can progress and surprise a lot of teams and that future years can bring a higher upside? Yes. Have they shown they can win in a top hoops league? No.

Just be a little more realistic and less cheerleader and you wouldn't have to go through this over and over.

And you problem is that you don't take into account youth. I went through this with teddy earlier int he week with Maryland. If you'd like to take a look, I listed every school's bad losses. Everyone plays bad games, realize that. Wins build confidence for young teams.

Lonnie has hit some big 3's today, you knew that slump wouldn't last

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BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:This team makes me glad to be an Eagles fan. I'm also glad that I'm not the guy who said Lonnie and Heck aren't even worthy of being a ACC role players.

Heckmann is a turnover machine. Jackson is a good 4 th guard.

If neither were tied so closely to the immediate success of this team, I'd be far more proud.

Solid last 4 min. Lonnie throwing up bricks and Heckmann taking stupid shots.

You mean the brick that went in? And the good passes Heckmann made?

Heckmann fouls out with just 3 points...

joeyfenn {l Wrote}:Heckmann fouls out with just 3 points...

heckmann blows. im so tired of people trying to say otherwise.

Anderson should absolutely destroy that kid in the post

the good news is with a 1-6 shooting night (and 0-4 from 3), he greatly increased his averages for the year.

Erik Green could play in the NBA this year, man he's good

Since when does Green get start treatment calls. This isn't the NBA

Lonnie did a nice job breaking that press and finding Ryan Anderson. This is the first game in a while where I can say "yeah, we have a legitimate shot at scoring on this possession" on every possession.

Didn't know Clifford isn't practicing, makes sense.

Donahue is an idiot if he doesn't bring in a 5

Edit: Yes I know

8-21 from the line. I don't think I've ever seen that.

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claver2010 {l Wrote}:Hanlan is great at getting to the line.

The D is so much better than last year. Now just need to make some open shots

And box out for a full second longer. And make FTs. And not leave your feet with nowhere to go. And, well you get the point.

I don't think they're as far off as you think they are.

It's not great but last year they'd be down big already

Better than last year versus what it takes to be winners in this league...huge gap there.

They have what it takes to be winners. I don't know why anyone would think they wouldn't?

Because they don't win.

8-6 going into this game...

First off, that's extremely unimpressive through non-league play. Second, you musta missed the "in this league" part.

So you'd prefer the 5-10 they went going into conference play last year to the 8-5 this year?

Wow dude...you aren't good at this.

VT commits a ton of fouls

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pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Did I hear right? VT has 6 scholarship players suited up tonight? Shaddix of course will claim this 2nd road win (if) of the last 2 seasons means they are officially over that hump.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying without that our team has played good ball, enough to get the job done with 95% of scoring coming from underclassmen. Did you think BC would be Clemson, VT, and a ranked FSU last year? Hell no, but they raised their game and they did. They are playing decent ball now.

Your main problem is that you take their high end of achievement as some kind of average. The horrible losses even those wins out and put them in a place far below their max potential over the course of a full season. Do I believe they can progress and surprise a lot of teams and that future years can bring a higher upside? Yes. Have they shown they can win in a top hoops league? No.

Just be a little more realistic and less cheerleader and you wouldn't have to go through this over and over.

And you problem is that you don't take into account youth. I went through this with teddy earlier int he week with Maryland. If you'd like to take a look, I listed every school's bad losses. Everyone plays bad games, realize that. Wins build confidence for young teams.

I did and have taken to account youth...guess you don't consider the talk of the future as a reference to that. Even in this short paragraph you're giving wins more credence than losses. You're fairly helpless in your blind optimism.

Good win for BC.

When VaTech gets Brown and Wood back, they aren't going to be this easy. It's still a solid ACC road win. Eddie is a borderline NBA player at this point.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

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pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Did I hear right? VT has 6 scholarship players suited up tonight? Shaddix of course will claim this 2nd road win (if) of the last 2 seasons means they are officially over that hump.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying without that our team has played good ball, enough to get the job done with 95% of scoring coming from underclassmen. Did you think BC would be Clemson, VT, and a ranked FSU last year? Hell no, but they raised their game and they did. They are playing decent ball now.

Your main problem is that you take their high end of achievement as some kind of average. The horrible losses even those wins out and put them in a place far below their max potential over the course of a full season. Do I believe they can progress and surprise a lot of teams and that future years can bring a higher upside? Yes. Have they shown they can win in a top hoops league? No.

Just be a little more realistic and less cheerleader and you wouldn't have to go through this over and over.

And you problem is that you don't take into account youth. I went through this with teddy earlier int he week with Maryland. If you'd like to take a look, I listed every school's bad losses. Everyone plays bad games, realize that. Wins build confidence for young teams.

I did and have taken to account youth...guess you don't consider the talk of the future as a reference to that. Even in this short paragraph you're giving wins more credence than losses. You're fairly helpless in your blind optimism.

Because wins deserve more credence than losses, especially when your defense has improved ten fold since your last loss (not including NC State, we played great D).

People are quick to forget that the only person on this roster to win an ACC road game is Danny Rubin.

Question - defense is better lately, but why do we give up so many second half points?

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pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Did I hear right? VT has 6 scholarship players suited up tonight? Shaddix of course will claim this 2nd road win (if) of the last 2 seasons means they are officially over that hump.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying without that our team has played good ball, enough to get the job done with 95% of scoring coming from underclassmen. Did you think BC would be Clemson, VT, and a ranked FSU last year? Hell no, but they raised their game and they did. They are playing decent ball now.

Your main problem is that you take their high end of achievement as some kind of average. The horrible losses even those wins out and put them in a place far below their max potential over the course of a full season. Do I believe they can progress and surprise a lot of teams and that future years can bring a higher upside? Yes. Have they shown they can win in a top hoops league? No.

Just be a little more realistic and less cheerleader and you wouldn't have to go through this over and over.

And you problem is that you don't take into account youth. I went through this with teddy earlier int he week with Maryland. If you'd like to take a look, I listed every school's bad losses. Everyone plays bad games, realize that. Wins build confidence for young teams.

I did and have taken to account youth...guess you don't consider the talk of the future as a reference to that. Even in this short paragraph you're giving wins more credence than losses. You're fairly helpless in your blind optimism.

Because wins deserve more credence than losses, especially when your defense has improved ten fold since your last loss (not including NC State, we played great D).

People are quick to forget that the only person on this roster to win an ACC road game is Danny Rubin.

Teams should be judged on their work as a whole, not based on their best possible game against an opponent's worst.

No one has forgotten, that's part of how we got here, Junior.

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Good win for BC.

Nice 17:5 assist to TO ratio.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Question - defense is better lately, but why do we give up so many second half points?

A attribute it to often slow starts for BC's offense, once they kick it into second gear, the game seems to move much faster. That is why we score much more in the second half as well as give up more in the second half.

Good to get the W...still plenty of work to do.

Hanlan is the man. Very fun to watch, quick to the hole and great instincts on D. 17 pts, 8 rebounds, 5 steals and 4 assists. It seems like he is getting better every game.

Last year, I thought every game should/could be a loss. This year, we're looking at ACC road games and calling them should wins. You've got to be proud of that, regardless if you're an eepstein or an Ahzeem.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

Shaddix {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

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pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

Shaddix {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Did I hear right? VT has 6 scholarship players suited up tonight? Shaddix of course will claim this 2nd road win (if) of the last 2 seasons means they are officially over that hump.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying without that our team has played good ball, enough to get the job done with 95% of scoring coming from underclassmen. Did you think BC would be Clemson, VT, and a ranked FSU last year? Hell no, but they raised their game and they did. They are playing decent ball now.

Your main problem is that you take their high end of achievement as some kind of average. The horrible losses even those wins out and put them in a place far below their max potential over the course of a full season. Do I believe they can progress and surprise a lot of teams and that future years can bring a higher upside? Yes. Have they shown they can win in a top hoops league? No.

Just be a little more realistic and less cheerleader and you wouldn't have to go through this over and over.

And you problem is that you don't take into account youth. I went through this with teddy earlier int he week with Maryland. If you'd like to take a look, I listed every school's bad losses. Everyone plays bad games, realize that. Wins build confidence for young teams.

I did and have taken to account youth...guess you don't consider the talk of the future as a reference to that. Even in this short paragraph you're giving wins more credence than losses. You're fairly helpless in your blind optimism.

Because wins deserve more credence than losses, especially when your defense has improved ten fold since your last loss (not including NC State, we played great D).

People are quick to forget that the only person on this roster to win an ACC road game is Danny Rubin.

Teams should be judged on their work as a whole, not based on their best possible game against an opponent's worst.

No one has forgotten, that's part of how we got here, Junior.

You basically just proved my point. Your judging a team as a WHOLE that is ranked 5th youngest in the entire NCAA D1. Our record reflects that. But as of right now, BC is 1-1 in the ACC. There ya go, Pedey

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Good win for BC.

Nice 17:5 assist to TO ratio.

Last 2 games, it's been better than 2:1

claver2010 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Good win for BC.

Nice 17:5 assist to TO ratio.

Last 2 games, it's been better than 2:1

ACTIVE HANDS!!! FINALLY!!! Won't win games posting up with our small lineup, this is their advantage...wonder what took them so long to realize it?

That was a pretty good win.

Virginia Tech is a badly coached team with one selfish scorer, a few decent role playing bigs and the guy who didn't play, Robert Brown, scores a bit but has Humphreyesque shooting numbers. I haven't seen him play so I'll withhold some judgment but he hardly seems like he would have been the difference maker tonight. Even though that's all true, this team needs to beat the bottom half of the ACC whenever it can and it needed desperately to win a road game in the ACC to get rid of that monkey. It did so, and that's great.

Jackson shot very well, including a bunch of momentum killing daggers. I believe people can justifiably be called retarded for saying he is a bad shooter in light of last year, however, I was wondering whether he would come around again. Maybe he is starting to.

Clifford makes me sad because he looks like he'd be such a weapon if he could move. Yes Claver, they need another big.

Heckmann is frustrating and I cringe when he has the ball. That said he played some very good defense before fouling out and was isntrumental in getting the ball down court following a few VT turnovers. I don't want him to go pro, I hope he stays.

All that said, I don't think Donahue had a very good game as a coach. Barksdale had 3 fouls at halftime. Instead of attacking the lane with Hanlan which worked roughly 1,000,000% of the time, he tried to accomplish the same thing with Anderson, who while he got his points and then some was having a rough time when fed in the half court. As a result, Barksdale didn't foul out until the game was over.

The Don did something just as smart as attacking Barksdale; he had Ryan Anderson attack a walk-on. Still, fouling out Barksdale would have forced VT to keep more walk-ons out on the floor. Either or, good coaching move.