Jay Bilas ranks the 2012-13 ACC season

[Shaddix]

The 2011-12 season can be termed a "down year" in the ACC only when judged by the performance of the league from top to bottom and a "disappointing year" when judged by the performance of its top teams in the NCAA tournament. Five ACC teams reached the NCAA tournament, but 10 of the 12 teams in the conference lost 10 or more games, and eight of the 12 teams lost at least 13.

North Carolina was the ACC's best team in 2012, but it was tripped up by injury in the NCAA tournament. Duke bowed out of the NCAA tournament in the Round of 64, becoming just the sixth No. 2 seed to lose an opening game. The bright spot was NC State, which found its way to the Sweet 16 before losing to NCAA runner-up Kansas.

The 2012-13 season appears to be a promising one for the ACC, with nationally competitive teams at the top and more competitive teams in the middle and bottom of the league. Here is how the teams rank, from best to worst.


Tier one

1. North Carolina State Wolfpack:
Mark Gottfried has done a masterful job at NC State and has the most talented team in the ACC. Lorenzo Brown is a dynamic athlete playing point, Scott Wood is a great shooter and C.J. Leslie is an ACC Player of the Year candidate. Gottfried has size, versatility, athleticism, talent and a hot recruiting class. Rodney Purvis, a 6-foot-4 wing who could've have gone anywhere, will be a major factor. NC State has a roster that can compete for a Final Four.


2. North Carolina Tar Heels: Roy Williams loses Harrison Barnes, Kendall Marshall, John Henson and Tyler Zeller, all NBA first-round selections. But don't feel too sorry for Williams, because he has another capable team. Dexter Strickland and Leslie McDonald return from injury, James Michael McAdoo is set to explode, Reggie Bullock and P.J. Hairston are top-flight ACC players and lefty Marcus Paige is a terrific point guard prospect who can motor. The Heels won't be as powerful as last year's team, but they will still vie for the ACC crown.


3. Duke Blue Devils: Mike Krzyzewski lost Austin Rivers and Miles Plumlee, but Duke should be better in 2013. Veterans Seth Curry, Mason Plumlee and Ryan Kelly return, and first-year contributors Rasheed Sulaimon, Amile Jefferson, Alex Murphy and Marshall Plumlee will provide quality depth. Kelly is the team's best pure player, but the key will be the point. Which player runs the team and brings it together?


4. Florida State Seminoles: Defense and quality talent firmly place the defending ACC tournament champions in this tier. Leonard Hamilton has built his program on getting stops and being hard to score upon, and he has size and athleticism up and down his roster. This year, Florida State should score it easier and take pressure off of its defense to get stops. The key is Michael Snaer, a great competitor who could be first-team All-ACC.

Tier two

5. Virginia Cavaliers: The Cavaliers played at one of the slowest paces in the nation last season but fought for their tempo and won 22 games (the most by Virginia since 1995), frustrating opponents with patience, good defense and Mike Scott. Scott is gone, but head coach Tony Bennett has a terrific defender and passer in Jontel Evans, a good shooter in Joe Harris, a talented wing in Malcolm Brogdon and a rebounding forward in Akil Mitchell. Bennett has a nice recruiting class, but the veterans will carry this team.


6. Maryland Terrapins: Mark Turgeon lost scoring guard Terrell Stoglin but returns emerging center Alex Len, quality wing Nick Faust and offensive rebounder James Padgett. Freshman big men Shaquille Cleare and Jake Layman and combo guards Seth Allen and Sam Cassell Jr. should all contribute right away. A key is point guard, where Pe'Shon Howard will have to step forward and take over the position.


7. Miami Hurricanes: Jim Larranaga had some really nice wins and was close to an NCAA tournament berth last season, and his team has some quality players back. Durand Scott is the best scorer, Reggie Johnson is a difference-maker with his size, Kenny Kadji has shown some great flashes and Shane Larkin is a very good, but small, point guard. Freshman Tonye Jekiri is a shot-blocking athlete.


8. Clemson Tigers: The Tigers finished 8-8 in ACC play but lost top scorers Andre Young and Tanner Smith. Coach Brad Brownell has frontcourt starters Devin Booker and Milton Jennings back, and Clemson adds a five-man recruiting class led by 6-7 forward Jaron Blossomgame, a quick, athletic interior player who can step away and face the basket. Clemson will be relying on a lot of new pieces.


9. Virginia Tech Hokies: The Hokies have some quality young talent and some quality players coming in, but the coaching transition has also changed that. James Johnson takes over but will not have Dorian Finney-Smith, who transferred to Florida, and Montrezl Harrell, who signed with Louisville. Still, Jarell Eddie, Erick Green and Cadarian Raines return, and Robert Brown should be ready to go after foot surgery.


10. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets: Brian Gregory made good strides building a new culture but lost a good recruit when Corey Heyward tore his ACL and will miss the season. Freshmen Robert Carter, Marcus Hunt and Chris Bolden should help right away. Returning big man Daniel Miller and point guard Mfon Udofia will have to lead the way.


11. Wake Forest Demon Deacons: Jeff Bzdelik took over a tough situation and has revamped the Deacon roster. Wake Forest should be far more competitive this season with seven freshmen coming in, led by solid point Codi Miller-McIntyre, skilled forward Tyler Cavanaugh and long, versatile wing Arnaud Moto. Wake Forest is steadily building back up.


12. Boston College Eagles: Steve Donahue has some good young players, and they had a tough baptism in the ACC as freshmen last season, going 9-22 and finishing 0-9 on the road. Returnees Ryan Anderson, and Lonnie Jackson averaged at, or just below, double figures last year and need to get better. Freshmen expected to contribute are shooter Joe Rahon and point guard prospect Olivier Hanlan.

thanks, for the great and in-depth analysis, Jay.

[joeyfenn]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

[eepstein0]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

[RedBaron67]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

What Bilas isn't saying about BC (although he obliquely hints at it) is what most of the rest of the ACC thinks, which is that BC has an inferior roster that will never compete consistently in the ACC even with experience. It's up to Donahue and the players to prove them wrong by showing substantial improvement (i.e., a better record) this coming season.

[eepstein0]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

[eagle9903]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

What Bilas isn't saying about BC (although he obliquely hints at it) is what most of the rest of the ACC thinks, which is that BC has an inferior roster that will never compete consistently in the ACC even with experience. It's up to Donahue and the players to prove them wrong by showing substantial improvement (i.e., a better record) this coming season.

Is this what you believe?

[RedBaron67]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

What Bilas isn't saying about BC (although he obliquely hints at it) is what most of the rest of the ACC thinks, which is that BC has an inferior roster that will never compete consistently in the ACC even with experience. It's up to Donahue and the players to prove them wrong by showing substantial improvement (i.e., a better record) this coming season.

Is this what you believe?

Right now I have an open mind on the question. On the one hand, they had a really bad season last winter (which formed ACC opinion); on the other hand, they were very inexperienced, and Donahue is vehemently insistent that they're going to improve dramatically and be a serious contender by 2013-14. I'm waiting to be persuaded one way or the other by future evidence.

[twballgame9]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

[eagle9903]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

What Bilas isn't saying about BC (although he obliquely hints at it) is what most of the rest of the ACC thinks, which is that BC has an inferior roster that will never compete consistently in the ACC even with experience. It's up to Donahue and the players to prove them wrong by showing substantial improvement (i.e., a better record) this coming season.

Is this what you believe?

Right now I have an open mind on the question. On the one hand, they had a really bad season last winter (which formed ACC opinion); on the other hand, they were very inexperienced, and Donahue is vehemently insistent that they're going to improve dramatically and be a serious contender by 2013-14. I'm waiting to be persuaded one way or the other by future evidence.

Fair enough, I agree with your opinion that future evidence will determine talent level. As to perspective from ACC media, however, I remember distinctly the lack of respect that Skinner teams used to get in preseason rankings and as such, I don't necessarily believe they need an excuse like last season. In the instant breakdown I believe it is incorrect to list VT and GT ahead of us, even without relying on assumed improvement.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

[twballgame9]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

[eepstein0]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

[eepstein0]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

What Bilas isn't saying about BC (although he obliquely hints at it) is what most of the rest of the ACC thinks, which is that BC has an inferior roster that will never compete consistently in the ACC even with experience. It's up to Donahue and the players to prove them wrong by showing substantial improvement (i.e., a better record) this coming season.

Is this what you believe?

Right now I have an open mind on the question. On the one hand, they had a really bad season last winter (which formed ACC opinion); on the other hand, they were very inexperienced, and Donahue is vehemently insistent that they're going to improve dramatically and be a serious contender by 2013-14. I'm waiting to be persuaded one way or the other by future evidence.

Fair enough, I agree with your opinion that future evidence will determine talent level. As to perspective from ACC media, however, I remember distinctly the lack of respect that Skinner teams used to get in preseason rankings and as such, I don't necessarily believe they need an excuse like last season. In the instant breakdown I believe it is incorrect to list VT and GT ahead of us, even without relying on assumed improvement.

We're not going to be good this year, but we're not finishing 12th either. VT and GT will be worse. Those players Bilas referenced for GT were absolutely awful.

[eagle9903]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

What Bilas isn't saying about BC (although he obliquely hints at it) is what most of the rest of the ACC thinks, which is that BC has an inferior roster that will never compete consistently in the ACC even with experience. It's up to Donahue and the players to prove them wrong by showing substantial improvement (i.e., a better record) this coming season.

Is this what you believe?

Right now I have an open mind on the question. On the one hand, they had a really bad season last winter (which formed ACC opinion); on the other hand, they were very inexperienced, and Donahue is vehemently insistent that they're going to improve dramatically and be a serious contender by 2013-14. I'm waiting to be persuaded one way or the other by future evidence.

Fair enough, I agree with your opinion that future evidence will determine talent level. As to perspective from ACC media, however, I remember distinctly the lack of respect that Skinner teams used to get in preseason rankings and as such, I don't necessarily believe they need an excuse like last season. In the instant breakdown I believe it is incorrect to list VT and GT ahead of us, even without relying on assumed improvement.

We're not going to be good this year, but we're not finishing 12th either. VT and GT will be worse. Those players Bilas referenced for GT were absolutely awful.

I agree. I think, optimistically I see a middle of the ACC finish, about .500 in league play definitely above .500 over all. Pessimistically, I see little to no improvement (in which case make room on the Donahue can't recruit ACC players wagon).

[eepstein0]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

What Bilas isn't saying about BC (although he obliquely hints at it) is what most of the rest of the ACC thinks, which is that BC has an inferior roster that will never compete consistently in the ACC even with experience. It's up to Donahue and the players to prove them wrong by showing substantial improvement (i.e., a better record) this coming season.

Is this what you believe?

Right now I have an open mind on the question. On the one hand, they had a really bad season last winter (which formed ACC opinion); on the other hand, they were very inexperienced, and Donahue is vehemently insistent that they're going to improve dramatically and be a serious contender by 2013-14. I'm waiting to be persuaded one way or the other by future evidence.

Fair enough, I agree with your opinion that future evidence will determine talent level. As to perspective from ACC media, however, I remember distinctly the lack of respect that Skinner teams used to get in preseason rankings and as such, I don't necessarily believe they need an excuse like last season. In the instant breakdown I believe it is incorrect to list VT and GT ahead of us, even without relying on assumed improvement.

We're not going to be good this year, but we're not finishing 12th either. VT and GT will be worse. Those players Bilas referenced for GT were absolutely awful.

I agree. I think, optimistically I see a middle of the ACC finish, about .500 in league play definitely above .500 over all. Pessimistically, I see little to no improvement (in which case make room on the Donahue can't recruit ACC players wagon).

These kids by all accounts work really hard. As they get more comfortable with this offense, I think the scoring goes way up.

[pick6pedro]

Wow, the ACC is sooooooooooooooooooooooo average.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

[twballgame9]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

I have no idea how you decide that they are good players when they didn't put up any stats while playing. Actually, I do, you are going off of high school and recruiting ratings.

They are big boys now, if they were anywhere as good as they were hyped to be, Stoglin would have passed the ball. He was a ball hog for a reason - see Jackson, Reggie.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

I have no idea how you decide that they are good players when they didn't put up any stats while playing. Actually, I do, you are going off of high school and recruiting ratings.

They are big boys now, if they were anywhere as good as they were hyped to be, Stoglin would have passed the ball. He was a ball hog for a reason - see Jackson, Reggie.

Stoglin was supposed to be suspended for the entire season this season and decided to leave the team for the NBA draft (which he didn't even get drafted), great attitude on him.

As far as ratings go, I have seen most of the Maryland squad play (Cassell, Faust, Len). Nick Faust is going to be their best player.

I can use the same argument against you, how can you say they are going to be bad, when all you know is the stats they put up last year. Not much opportunity to be a go-to guy last year when you had the ACC's leading scorer.

GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
player A 34 20.0 7.0 44.0 27.3 68.5 1.7 3.3 0.4 0.8
player B 32 27.7 8.9 37.4 27.1 61.9 2.1 4.0 0.3 1.0

Guess which two players these are in their respective freshman seasons

[twballgame9]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

I have no idea how you decide that they are good players when they didn't put up any stats while playing. Actually, I do, you are going off of high school and recruiting ratings.

They are big boys now, if they were anywhere as good as they were hyped to be, Stoglin would have passed the ball. He was a ball hog for a reason - see Jackson, Reggie.

Stoglin was supposed to be suspended for the entire season this season and decided to leave the team for the NBA draft (which he didn't even get drafted), great attitude on him.

As far as ratings go, I have seen most of the Maryland squad play (Cassell, Faust, Len). Nick Faust is going to be their best player.

I can use the same argument against you, how can you say they are going to be bad, when all you know is the stats they put up last year. Not much opportunity to be a go-to guy last year when you had the ACC's leading scorer.

GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
player A 34 20.0 7.0 44.0 27.3 68.5 1.7 3.3 0.4 0.8
player B 32 27.7 8.9 37.4 27.1 61.9 2.1 4.0 0.3 1.0

Guess which two players these are in their respective freshman seasons

Well, the latter is Faust, I just looked up the stats. I am assuming, since you are making a point, that the guy with less minutes and a much higher FG% is Stoglin.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

I have no idea how you decide that they are good players when they didn't put up any stats while playing. Actually, I do, you are going off of high school and recruiting ratings.

They are big boys now, if they were anywhere as good as they were hyped to be, Stoglin would have passed the ball. He was a ball hog for a reason - see Jackson, Reggie.

Stoglin was supposed to be suspended for the entire season this season and decided to leave the team for the NBA draft (which he didn't even get drafted), great attitude on him.

As far as ratings go, I have seen most of the Maryland squad play (Cassell, Faust, Len). Nick Faust is going to be their best player.

I can use the same argument against you, how can you say they are going to be bad, when all you know is the stats they put up last year. Not much opportunity to be a go-to guy last year when you had the ACC's leading scorer.

GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
player A 34 20.0 7.0 44.0 27.3 68.5 1.7 3.3 0.4 0.8
player B 32 27.7 8.9 37.4 27.1 61.9 2.1 4.0 0.3 1.0

Guess which two players these are in their respective freshman seasons

Well, the latter is Faust, I just looked up the stats. I am assuming, since you are making a point, that the guy with less minutes and a much higher FG% is Stoglin.

The guy with less minutes and a much higher FG percentage is Reggie Jackson, the difference being that Faust did that last year playing PG at 6'6, when he is clearly a SG

[twballgame9]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

I have no idea how you decide that they are good players when they didn't put up any stats while playing. Actually, I do, you are going off of high school and recruiting ratings.

They are big boys now, if they were anywhere as good as they were hyped to be, Stoglin would have passed the ball. He was a ball hog for a reason - see Jackson, Reggie.

Stoglin was supposed to be suspended for the entire season this season and decided to leave the team for the NBA draft (which he didn't even get drafted), great attitude on him.

As far as ratings go, I have seen most of the Maryland squad play (Cassell, Faust, Len). Nick Faust is going to be their best player.

I can use the same argument against you, how can you say they are going to be bad, when all you know is the stats they put up last year. Not much opportunity to be a go-to guy last year when you had the ACC's leading scorer.

GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
player A 34 20.0 7.0 44.0 27.3 68.5 1.7 3.3 0.4 0.8
player B 32 27.7 8.9 37.4 27.1 61.9 2.1 4.0 0.3 1.0

Guess which two players these are in their respective freshman seasons

Well, the latter is Faust, I just looked up the stats. I am assuming, since you are making a point, that the guy with less minutes and a much higher FG% is Stoglin.

The guy with less minutes and a much higher FG percentage is Reggie Jackson, the difference being that Faust did that last year playing PG at 6'6, when he is clearly a SG

Well if your point was that the first guy looks, solely based on the stats, like he is going to be a better player than the second guy, you made it very well. Player A is clearly a better shooter that had less opportunity.

[Shaddix]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

I have no idea how you decide that they are good players when they didn't put up any stats while playing. Actually, I do, you are going off of high school and recruiting ratings.

They are big boys now, if they were anywhere as good as they were hyped to be, Stoglin would have passed the ball. He was a ball hog for a reason - see Jackson, Reggie.

Stoglin was supposed to be suspended for the entire season this season and decided to leave the team for the NBA draft (which he didn't even get drafted), great attitude on him.

As far as ratings go, I have seen most of the Maryland squad play (Cassell, Faust, Len). Nick Faust is going to be their best player.

I can use the same argument against you, how can you say they are going to be bad, when all you know is the stats they put up last year. Not much opportunity to be a go-to guy last year when you had the ACC's leading scorer.

GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
player A 34 20.0 7.0 44.0 27.3 68.5 1.7 3.3 0.4 0.8
player B 32 27.7 8.9 37.4 27.1 61.9 2.1 4.0 0.3 1.0

Guess which two players these are in their respective freshman seasons

Well, the latter is Faust, I just looked up the stats. I am assuming, since you are making a point, that the guy with less minutes and a much higher FG% is Stoglin.

The guy with less minutes and a much higher FG percentage is Reggie Jackson, the difference being that Faust did that last year playing PG at 6'6, when he is clearly a SG

Well if your point was that the first guy looks, solely based on the stats, like he is going to be a better player than the second guy, you made it very well. Player A is clearly a better shooter that had less opportunity.

Player A averaged 2 more minutes per game. I would have loved to see player A put up those numbers playing off position.

[twballgame9]

Fuck last place. This team ought to be respected after some of the things they did last year.

It will make winning all the more sweeter.

The fact that he has Florida State ahead of Maryland is extremely questionable....but he also has Miami at number 7. Really Jay? How exactly is BC 12th...it's like you didn't even care to make an effort

Maryland will blow this year without Stoglin.

Jay Bilas is also a moron, don't discount that.

There is no way Maryland will blow this year. Nick Faust is good, like real good.

Faust has an inconsistent jump shot and has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen.

Your joking right? He was a freshman. They also have Alex Len, who ESPN couldn't hype up more as well as a strong 2012 that features Layman and Cleare.

Maryland sucks. Most of those people haven't proven a damn thing and Faust is way overrated. And Layman, really? It's a good high school team, I will give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that they are going to be outstanding, but they will be better than Florida State. Howard will be back, and he is a legit PG which can allow them to put Faust back at SG (he played out of position for most of the latter half of the year). People often forget about such talents as Mychal Parker, who seems to have gotten a bit lost in Turgeon's system...but he should get legit playing time without Stoglin.

Layman will bring to Maryland exactly what Lonnie brought to BC his freshman year.

They have Padgett returning along with Len and with the addition of Cleare.

People forget about Sam Cassell Jr as well, he was extremely underrated and played on the same team as Steven Adams, who most people had their eyes glued to as soon as he touched the court.

Guess the difference is, I am not judging college kids based on what they did in high school. Based on what I saw last year, Parker and Len did little to nothing, and Faust is not very good. Looking at Maryland's stats, it seems that Stoglin pretty much did everything for that team, and Maryland is going to have a very difficult time putting the orange ball in the round basket.

Anyway you cut it, that roster without Stoglin is going to be bottom 4 in the conference, probably closer to bottom than 8.

I agree. I went to a couple games last year and Stoglin literally didn't everything for that team offensively. Faust, as the center point of the offense, is going to have a lot of 6 for 20 games with 15 points. Len is behind Clifford in development. Parker looked more lost than Odio out there.

FSU will be top 4 in the league while Maryland will be bottom 4 in the league.

Stoglin was top 3 in the NCAA last year in shot rate, that didn't leave much room for the other players. Just because they didn't statically put up numbers doesn't mean that they aren't good players. Maryland will have a much more balanced team this year.

Agree to disagree I guess.

FSU still won't be able to shoot the ball.

I have no idea how you decide that they are good players when they didn't put up any stats while playing. Actually, I do, you are going off of high school and recruiting ratings.

They are big boys now, if they were anywhere as good as they were hyped to be, Stoglin would have passed the ball. He was a ball hog for a reason - see Jackson, Reggie.

Stoglin was supposed to be suspended for the entire season this season and decided to leave the team for the NBA draft (which he didn't even get drafted), great attitude on him.

As far as ratings go, I have seen most of the Maryland squad play (Cassell, Faust, Len). Nick Faust is going to be their best player.

I can use the same argument against you, how can you say they are going to be bad, when all you know is the stats they put up last year. Not much opportunity to be a go-to guy last year when you had the ACC's leading scorer.

GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
player A 34 20.0 7.0 44.0 27.3 68.5 1.7 3.3 0.4 0.8
player B 32 27.7 8.9 37.4 27.1 61.9 2.1 4.0 0.3 1.0

Guess which two players these are in their respective freshman seasons

Well, the latter is Faust, I just looked up the stats. I am assuming, since you are making a point, that the guy with less minutes and a much higher FG% is Stoglin.

The guy with less minutes and a much higher FG percentage is Reggie Jackson, the difference being that Faust did that last year playing PG at 6'6, when he is clearly a SG

Well if your point was that the first guy looks, solely based on the stats, like he is going to be a better player than the second guy, you made it very well. Player A is clearly a better shooter that had less opportunity.

Player A averaged 2 more minutes per game. I would have loved to see player A put up those numbers playing off position.

sorry, was going off your own stats which say player A averaged 7.7 less minutes a game. He played 2 more games. Accuracy is semantics, I guess.

[HJS]

I think, optimistically I see a middle of the ACC finish, about .500 in league play definitely above .500 over all. Pessimistically, I see little to no improvement (in which case make room on the Donahue can't recruit ACC players wagon).

I think that this team should be about .500 in conference, should be a team discussed when talking about potential bubble teams, but comfortably will make the NIT. If it finishes in last place (or near the bottom of the conference) with another year of experience AND the valuable Europe trip, I will be pushing as hard for D's dismissal as I was Spaz's last year.

[twballgame9]

I think, optimistically I see a middle of the ACC finish, about .500 in league play definitely above .500 over all. Pessimistically, I see little to no improvement (in which case make room on the Donahue can't recruit ACC players wagon).

I think that this team should be about .500 in conference, should be a team discussed when talking about potential bubble teams, but comfortably will make the NIT. If it finishes in last place (or near the bottom of the conference) with another year of experience AND the valuable Europe trip, I will be pushing as hard for D's dismissal as I was Spaz's last year.

Agreed. Between the experience gain, more stable rotations now that you know what you've got, and an opening up of the offense which needs to come sooner rather than later, there are no excuses for a lack of large improvement.

I still think the Humphreys loss hurts them short term and they lose a few games they shouldn't though. NIT.

[eepstein0]

I think, optimistically I see a middle of the ACC finish, about .500 in league play definitely above .500 over all. Pessimistically, I see little to no improvement (in which case make room on the Donahue can't recruit ACC players wagon).

I think that this team should be about .500 in conference, should be a team discussed when talking about potential bubble teams, but comfortably will make the NIT. If it finishes in last place (or near the bottom of the conference) with another year of experience AND the valuable Europe trip, I will be pushing as hard for D's dismissal as I was Spaz's last year.

Agreed. Between the experience gain, more stable rotations now that you know what you've got, and an opening up of the offense which needs to come sooner rather than later, there are no excuses for a lack of large improvement.

I still think the Humphreys loss hurts them short term and they lose a few games they shouldn't though. NIT.

We're in good shape if we make the NIT. Looks Humphrey hurts big time for depth and defense reasons.