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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby Shaddix on Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:44 pm

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bignick33 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Not a huge loss, Heckmann should be able to drive like Humphrey did next year without being an idiot.


What basis do you have for this assertion?


no one who speaks german could be a stupid man?


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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby BCEaglesFan on Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:47 pm

Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby Shaddix on Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:55 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.


I'm sure that they will either get a JUCO or another 2012 to fill the spot. There are still some great players out there, Russell Westbrook committed in April and he could be NBA MVP this year.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby HJS on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:12 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.

That might not be bad offensively, but it would easily give up 90-points a game defensively.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:14 pm

HJS wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.

That might not be bad offensively, but it would easily give up 90-points a game defensively.


They really weren't bad defensively towards the end of last season and we have no idea how Hanlan will be defensively.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby HJS on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:18 pm

Shaddix wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.


I'm sure that they will either get a JUCO or another 2012 to fill the spot. There are still some great players out there, Russell Westbrook committed in April and he could be NBA MVP this year.

I'm glad you feel so confident, but we've been monitoring the various names through various threads and no one seems to think that we will be adding anyone of value.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:22 pm

HJS wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.


I'm sure that they will either get a JUCO or another 2012 to fill the spot. There are still some great players out there, Russell Westbrook committed in April and he could be NBA MVP this year.

I'm glad you feel so confident, but we've been monitoring the various names through various threads and no one seems to think that we will be adding anyone of value.


This is dangerously near Step 4, do you think you're ready to pull out Step 4 yet? I'd say you should stick with Step 3 until at least the summer.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby HJS on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:24 pm

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HJS wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.

That might not be bad offensively, but it would easily give up 90-points a game defensively.


They really weren't bad defensively towards the end of last season and we have no idea how Hanlan will be defensively.

There is no evidence that LoJack will be anywhere near as good at defending SFs as Humphreys and there is even less evidence that Hanlan can defend anything. You would also be giving up 2 inches at (PG, SG and SF). Finally, a HUGE problem with the team last year was rebounding (or a lack thereof). It just got worse if you substitute Hanlan for Humphries.

Look... Hump was very wild at times and took some terrible shots. But, he was initially the only player not afraid on the court. His role evolved during the season as the frosh stepped up and he began to play more in the flow of the offense. In my opinion, he got a lot better as the season progressed and he wasn't the #1 option. Nonetheless, his departure sucks because no one is walking in and helping this team next year like he would have.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby HJS on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:27 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
HJS wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Donahue needs to get a transfer like Gerard Coleman NOW! Coleman can create his own shot.

Wouldn't Coleman have to sit a season?


Yes Coleman has to sit. A lineup of Daniels, Jackson, Heckmann, Anderson and Clifford wins 9 games next season total.


How many would it have won with Humphrey?


15. I actually think Matt is a really good player. He's the only guy who can drive to the basket and finish.

They might get Tebbutt.

They certainly could offer him an immediate starting position. I like Tebbutt... think he works well with what Don is trying to do... would potentially be a nice replacement for Hump. But, it certainly sounds from everyone that there ain't much of a chance.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby HJS on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:29 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
HJS wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.


I'm sure that they will either get a JUCO or another 2012 to fill the spot. There are still some great players out there, Russell Westbrook committed in April and he could be NBA MVP this year.

I'm glad you feel so confident, but we've been monitoring the various names through various threads and no one seems to think that we will be adding anyone of value.


This is dangerously near Step 4, do you think you're ready to pull out Step 4 yet? I'd say you should stick with Step 3 until at least the summer.

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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby BCEaglesFan on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:29 pm

HJS wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
HJS wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Donahue needs to get a transfer like Gerard Coleman NOW! Coleman can create his own shot.

Wouldn't Coleman have to sit a season?


Yes Coleman has to sit. A lineup of Daniels, Jackson, Heckmann, Anderson and Clifford wins 9 games next season total.


How many would it have won with Humphrey?


15. I actually think Matt is a really good player. He's the only guy who can drive to the basket and finish.

They might get Tebbutt.

They certainly could offer him an immediate starting position. I like Tebbutt... think he works well with what Don is trying to do... would potentially be a nice replacement for Hump. But, it certainly sounds from everyone that there ain't much of a chance.

Tebbutt visited BC 2 weeks ago and they have offered him. Even though he visited Kansas they never offered. BC has. I say they have a decent shot.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby MattTheEagle on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:43 pm

I actually liked Humphrey's game but ultimately this doesn't hurt us all that much. Let's face it his shooting percentage sucked...it wasn't like he was being held back with playing for a team of freshman. Nonetheless, he was definitely a contributor.

I am just confused he would transfer given that (1) he is an average D1 player, (2) he got plenty of playing time at BC, (3) he had already transferred once before, and (4) Donahue is as good a coach as any to bring out the potential in players.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:43 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
HJS wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Donahue needs to get a transfer like Gerard Coleman NOW! Coleman can create his own shot.

Wouldn't Coleman have to sit a season?


Yes Coleman has to sit. A lineup of Daniels, Jackson, Heckmann, Anderson and Clifford wins 9 games next season total.


How many would it have won with Humphrey?


15. I actually think Matt is a really good player. He's the only guy who can drive to the basket and finish.


Dude, you're killing me.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby Shaddix on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:47 pm

MattTheEagle wrote:I actually liked Humphrey's game but ultimately this doesn't hurt us all that much. Let's face it his shooting percentage sucked...it wasn't like he was being held back with playing for a team of freshman. Nonetheless, he was definitely a contributor.

I am just confused he would transfer given that (1) he is an average D1 player, (2) he got plenty of playing time at BC, (3) he had already transferred once before, and (4) Donahue is as good a coach as any to bring out the potential in players.


Confused is a good word for that. By no means was I shocked when I heard the news though, his facial expressions during games were pretty bad. Seemed to get frustrated a lot with the developing team.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:55 pm

Look, Humphrey played very good defense and was aggressive at times when the frosh played timid. He occasionally would get hot like any streaker player and could carry the team to 12 point losses instead of 20 point losses offensively.

That said, Jordan Daniels was the only player on this team that regularly got in the paint on the bounce from the perimeter. Humphrey was a chucker, most of his points were scored from the outside. Which is fine, but let's not overrate his impact. I think BC will be much better offensively but weaker defensively without him.

I liked his game, but Humphrey was just a part. Moving on to replacements, where I do agree with HJS is that you cannot replace him by starting Hanlon, Daniels and LoJack. You need to have a 3 or 4 in there. Furthermore, the idea that Heckmann has the potential to replace him in any categories other than "bad shot selection" and "terrible passing" is idiotic.

BC will improve because the freshman will improve with a season under their belts. Losing Humphrey won't change that much. But they need a plan to get a guy in here that can help with defense and rebounding ASAP and moving forward or this freshman group will never be much more than a .500 team in conference.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby Shaddix on Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:05 pm

twballgame9 wrote:Look, Humphrey played very good defense and was aggressive at times when the frosh played timid. He occasionally would get hot like any streaker player and could carry the team to 12 point losses instead of 20 point losses offensively.

That said, Jordan Daniels was the only player on this team that regularly got in the paint on the bounce from the perimeter. Humphrey was a chucker, most of his points were scored from the outside. Which is fine, but let's not overrate his impact. I think BC will be much better offensively but weaker defensively without him.

I liked his game, but Humphrey was just a part. Moving on to replacements, where I do agree with HJS is that you cannot replace him by starting Hanlon, Daniels and LoJack. You need to have a 3 or 4 in there. Furthermore, the idea that Heckmann has the potential to replace him in any categories other than "bad shot selection" and "terrible passing" is idiotic.

BC will improve because the freshman will improve with a season under their belts. Losing Humphrey won't change that much. But they need a plan to get a guy in here that can help with defense and rebounding ASAP and moving forward or this freshman group will never be much more than a .500 team in conference.


You were doing good until you ran into that. Heckmann scored more points in one game last season than any other player in any other game for BC. You cannot forget or overlook that. You don't "accidentally" score 33 against a D1 opponent in your first month of college ball.

He does need to get his head on straight though. Forcing balls that lead to stupid turnovers are a major concern for him.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:22 pm

Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Look, Humphrey played very good defense and was aggressive at times when the frosh played timid. He occasionally would get hot like any streaker player and could carry the team to 12 point losses instead of 20 point losses offensively.

That said, Jordan Daniels was the only player on this team that regularly got in the paint on the bounce from the perimeter. Humphrey was a chucker, most of his points were scored from the outside. Which is fine, but let's not overrate his impact. I think BC will be much better offensively but weaker defensively without him.

I liked his game, but Humphrey was just a part. Moving on to replacements, where I do agree with HJS is that you cannot replace him by starting Hanlon, Daniels and LoJack. You need to have a 3 or 4 in there. Furthermore, the idea that Heckmann has the potential to replace him in any categories other than "bad shot selection" and "terrible passing" is idiotic.

BC will improve because the freshman will improve with a season under their belts. Losing Humphrey won't change that much. But they need a plan to get a guy in here that can help with defense and rebounding ASAP and moving forward or this freshman group will never be much more than a .500 team in conference.


You were doing good until you ran into that. Heckmann scored more points in one game last season than any other player in any other game for BC. You cannot forget or overlook that. You don't "accidentally" score 33 against a D1 opponent in your first month of college ball.

He does need to get his head on straight though. Forcing balls that lead to stupid turnovers are a major concern for him.


Heckmann is not good at basketball.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby Shaddix on Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:48 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Look, Humphrey played very good defense and was aggressive at times when the frosh played timid. He occasionally would get hot like any streaker player and could carry the team to 12 point losses instead of 20 point losses offensively.

That said, Jordan Daniels was the only player on this team that regularly got in the paint on the bounce from the perimeter. Humphrey was a chucker, most of his points were scored from the outside. Which is fine, but let's not overrate his impact. I think BC will be much better offensively but weaker defensively without him.

I liked his game, but Humphrey was just a part. Moving on to replacements, where I do agree with HJS is that you cannot replace him by starting Hanlon, Daniels and LoJack. You need to have a 3 or 4 in there. Furthermore, the idea that Heckmann has the potential to replace him in any categories other than "bad shot selection" and "terrible passing" is idiotic.

BC will improve because the freshman will improve with a season under their belts. Losing Humphrey won't change that much. But they need a plan to get a guy in here that can help with defense and rebounding ASAP and moving forward or this freshman group will never be much more than a .500 team in conference.


You were doing good until you ran into that. Heckmann scored more points in one game last season than any other player in any other game for BC. You cannot forget or overlook that. You don't "accidentally" score 33 against a D1 opponent in your first month of college ball.

He does need to get his head on straight though. Forcing balls that lead to stupid turnovers are a major concern for him.


Heckmann is not good at basketball.


You don't know basketball
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby apbc12 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:45 pm

epstein, do you share a screen name with someone else, or did you suffer a head injury at some point?
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:25 pm

I just think Matt is better than people think. If there's no addition between now and November, this team is going to struggle mightily unless the freshman make some giant leap.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:33 pm

Whoa, how did I miss this? I paid too much attention to baseball today.

I think Humphrey had decent value on this team and his absence will hurt some. I think he will be less valuable wherever he transfers (and how much interest is he really going to get?)

My bigger concern is that just when I thought this program was stabilizing, someone rocks the boat again.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby bcmurph on Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:34 pm

Fuck Matt Humphrey..... :lame

He can replace Rakim at Fairfield... As someone once said...Get the fuck out of my Alma Mater...
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby Nate2651 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:38 pm

HJS wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
HJS wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:Humphrey had some great games. He also had some awful ones. However.....

This could mean our lineup could also be Daniels, Hanlan, Jackson, Anderson, Clifford. That would not be so bad.

That might not be bad offensively, but it would easily give up 90-points a game defensively.


They really weren't bad defensively towards the end of last season and we have no idea how Hanlan will be defensively.

There is no evidence that LoJack will be anywhere near as good at defending SFs as Humphreys and there is even less evidence that Hanlan can defend anything. You would also be giving up 2 inches at (PG, SG and SF). Finally, a HUGE problem with the team last year was rebounding (or a lack thereof). It just got worse if you substitute Hanlan for Humphries.

Look... Hump was very wild at times and took some terrible shots. But, he was initially the only player not afraid on the court. His role evolved during the season as the frosh stepped up and he began to play more in the flow of the offense. In my opinion, he got a lot better as the season progressed and he wasn't the #1 option. Nonetheless, his departure sucks because no one is walking in and helping this team next year like he would have.


One of the things Hanlan is known for is defense. He's shut down a lot of D1 PGs in that prep league.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby pick6pedro on Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:44 pm

eepstein0 wrote:I just think Matt is better than people think. If there's no addition between now and November, this team is going to struggle mightily unless the freshman make some giant leap.


Matt is a loss, no doubt. However, the reputation he has gained simply by this declaration is at best a joke.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:07 pm

Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Look, Humphrey played very good defense and was aggressive at times when the frosh played timid. He occasionally would get hot like any streaker player and could carry the team to 12 point losses instead of 20 point losses offensively.

That said, Jordan Daniels was the only player on this team that regularly got in the paint on the bounce from the perimeter. Humphrey was a chucker, most of his points were scored from the outside. Which is fine, but let's not overrate his impact. I think BC will be much better offensively but weaker defensively without him.

I liked his game, but Humphrey was just a part. Moving on to replacements, where I do agree with HJS is that you cannot replace him by starting Hanlon, Daniels and LoJack. You need to have a 3 or 4 in there. Furthermore, the idea that Heckmann has the potential to replace him in any categories other than "bad shot selection" and "terrible passing" is idiotic.

BC will improve because the freshman will improve with a season under their belts. Losing Humphrey won't change that much. But they need a plan to get a guy in here that can help with defense and rebounding ASAP and moving forward or this freshman group will never be much more than a .500 team in conference.


You were doing good until you ran into that. Heckmann scored more points in one game last season than any other player in any other game for BC. You cannot forget or overlook that. You don't "accidentally" score 33 against a D1 opponent in your first month of college ball.

He does need to get his head on straight though. Forcing balls that lead to stupid turnovers are a major concern for him.


Heckmann is not good at basketball.


You don't know basketball


I know enough to know that BC had 4 good freshman and Heckmann wasn't one of them.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby RedBaron67 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:33 am

The best I can say about Humphrey transferring is that Donahue can now give out a third scholarship for 2012 without screwing things up impossibly for 2013. One can also note that Hanlan is likely to have a lot of PT to develop his game next season. How much difference Humphrey's absence will really make remains to be seen. As for why he's transferring, who knows? He might even actually be interested in a master's that BC doesn't offer (although I wouldn't bet on it).
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:15 am

twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Look, Humphrey played very good defense and was aggressive at times when the frosh played timid. He occasionally would get hot like any streaker player and could carry the team to 12 point losses instead of 20 point losses offensively.

That said, Jordan Daniels was the only player on this team that regularly got in the paint on the bounce from the perimeter. Humphrey was a chucker, most of his points were scored from the outside. Which is fine, but let's not overrate his impact. I think BC will be much better offensively but weaker defensively without him.

I liked his game, but Humphrey was just a part. Moving on to replacements, where I do agree with HJS is that you cannot replace him by starting Hanlon, Daniels and LoJack. You need to have a 3 or 4 in there. Furthermore, the idea that Heckmann has the potential to replace him in any categories other than "bad shot selection" and "terrible passing" is idiotic.

BC will improve because the freshman will improve with a season under their belts. Losing Humphrey won't change that much. But they need a plan to get a guy in here that can help with defense and rebounding ASAP and moving forward or this freshman group will never be much more than a .500 team in conference.


You were doing good until you ran into that. Heckmann scored more points in one game last season than any other player in any other game for BC. You cannot forget or overlook that. You don't "accidentally" score 33 against a D1 opponent in your first month of college ball.

He does need to get his head on straight though. Forcing balls that lead to stupid turnovers are a major concern for him.


Heckmann is not good at basketball.


You don't know basketball


I know enough to know that BC had 4 good freshman and Heckmann wasn't one of them.


Heckmann dropped 33 and then got a sprained ankle and mono. The kid can clearly play at this level or at least more so than some of the other guys we've trotted out onto the court recently.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:16 am

pick6pedro wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:I just think Matt is better than people think. If there's no addition between now and November, this team is going to struggle mightily unless the freshman make some giant leap.


Matt is a loss, no doubt. However, the reputation he has gained simply by this declaration is at best a joke.


He's also our best defender and most athletic player.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby wildcat81 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:17 am

Is this kid leaving because he can't play with Anderson? Didn't they have an on court issue?

Good luck Humphrey and grow up.
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Re: Matt Humphrey to transfer

Postby joemack13 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:58 am

I think this hurts us more in terms of depth than anything. During the season there were guys I would have liked to see starting ahead of him, but he was definitely going to provide a good amount of minutes either way. The most disappointing thing is that when I heard transfer I was hoping it would be one of the lesser used kids from the big class to alleviate our schollie distribution problem.

On the bright side, I do remember the on-court "issue" with andersen (not sure how much truth there was to it). It could be a good thing if it improves the team chemistry, who knows.
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