Ahzeem wrote:RedBaron67 wrote:twballgame9 wrote:eepstein0 wrote:Anderson was a great get and as inconsistent as he is Matt Humphrey was a good transfer. Clifford's close and could have used another year to develop but the situation we're in forced him to play 30 minutes a game instead of 10. He's already better than at least a 1/3 of the big-men in the ACC. I'll also give you Hanlan, he's a high major recruit. Heckmann is a wildcard but had Michigan & Maryland offers.
Aside from that, you have a big collection of mid-major players, who coincidentally were only recruited by mid-major schools except for BC (Daniels, Jackson, Caudill, Odio & Moton). With the style we play, this mix of talent may work out, but to pretend the 2011 or 2012 recruiting classes, which were ranked dead last in the conference both years, was some overwhelming success is incorrect. Instead of 5* recruiting and 2* coaching, we've got it the other way around.
I really see 3 major issues with this team, one of which Hanlan will fix. The PG play has been sketchy at best. Daniels playing less minutes as a spark-plug guard off the bench will be beneficial. Hanlan is a pretty strong kid, should be able to contribute immediately. The other problems (shot creation and rebounding) have not been addressed at all in recruiting. BC still needs 1 more player in 2012, we're going to have the same scoring problems and the same rebounding problems next year unless something is addressed.
Can't possibly disagree more with your assessment of Jackson and Daniels. I also think pointing to recruiting class rankings continues to be retarded. I agree with your assessment of the rest of the players.
Based on what I saw on the court, Anderson, Clifford, Jackson and Daniels were a home run recruiting wise. Humphrey was an excellent transfer. Heckmann doesn't impress me much and worst of all, he makes it worse when 90% of his passes and shots are either lazy or need mustard. Caudill is just fine off of the bench, and Moton is okay in limited minutes.
For me, the only wasted schollies was Odio, but with the number of schollies he gave out in two seasons, you are bound to have a few misses. The idea that the Don hasn't done a good job recruiting is stupid.
You're looking at this team with very heavily rose-tinted glasses. I agree entirely with eepstein0 about Jackson and Daniels; they figure at best as useful role players on any respectable ACC team. Caudill will have to remove a lot of lard to accomplish even that much. Humphrey has some talent, but is extremely streaky and unreliable; he was like that at Oregon, and a transfer year of practice plus a season of play at BC hasn't changed him. Moton and Odio aren't even worth talking about at present, and have a very long way to go before they become so.
I also agree with him about the team's glaring needs. Hanlan might possibly help with shot creation if he can penetrate and dish, but that still leaves a desperate need for someone to go get the ball on the boards; Gill or January might help, but the prospect of getting either one is iffy at best.
This team didn't repeatedly get blown out in pre-conference play or finish last in the ACC just because they were mostly freshmen; this team has conspicuous deficiencies which physical maturation alone won't eliminate. As tiresome as the mantra "ACC talent" may be, reality is that a certain level of ability on the team is necessary in order to win with any consistency in a high-major conference. Recruiting is the meat and potatoes of college basketball, and the rest is secondary; coaching may make the difference in getting to the Final Four, but recruiting is what gets a team into the NCAA Tournament with a respectable seeding on a regular basis. Skinner and his assistants produced a string of tournament teams by finding overlooked players with high-major or even All-American potential; Donahue and his assistants (especially after Jones' departure) still have to prove that they can do as much. They may do so spectacularly within the next year or two, but they haven't yet. This is plain present fact, and it would be really foolish not to acknowledge it.
Hmmm Rose colored glasses or a Fan full of shit (“roflmao” no matter how I play with this wordplay)
With all the crap hitting the so called fan around these young Eagles they may never figure out how to get this thing turned around.
I digress… back to the subject at hand.
These young players…. The good the bad and the ugly of it.
These kids are good, all of them. Some better than others that’s a given and all of them have areas to improve on (I’ll get to that in the bad). I think these guys showed the world what kind of men they are with the effort they put out on and off the court as freshman. Like it or not guys they have proven themselves to be not only decent ACC players but better than a lot of ACC caliper players final ACC stat sheet will confirm that.
You might want to check…there may still be some poop on your fan if you discount the difference in age of this team vs it’s opponents. I am the last one to excuse them for being young …seniors just have a lot more “git er done” in them than freshman do. They lost some games that could have earn The Don C.O.Y. nomination had they won. (19) Anderson’s matchup in the 1st NCState game turned 27 the night before the game.
Daniels simply needs to tighten up his dribble. He needs to get his hand on top of the ball instead of that west coast carry dribble it’s just to easy to time and pick.
The addition of the additional guards and some competition for the PG job will do him good. It will also do Jackson some good; he only needs to improve his defense he got taken off the dribble to easily and must learn to move his feet.
You are as wrong about your assessment of these two guys as you were about BC’s chances of winning this year.
Recruiting Last I checked the Don’s 1st class got a win over a ranked opponent, he had four guys on the ACC freshman watch one that made the ALL Frosh team and was 2nd to Rivers for F.o.Y. The rest of those that had 10+mins per game contributed and their actual ACC stats will show how many unquestionable ACC players they out performed this year.
As was previously stated recruiting is critical. The cover up at guard seems to have been addressed which should open up the offense properly. As stated a little competition for minutes will work wonders. The real ugly of it is in the 3,4,5… not for BC but for their opponents. Did you see the UNC game? Their freshman got major minutes and looked like ours did in Dec; this too should turn out well for BC basketball next year. I am sure these guys will be as average as the next freshman going into their sophomore year when it comes to working out and they should fair as well or not better than most. This team has a solid core /a ship and a crew add a few more and there is no telling what they can do!
One point: the BC freshmen's stats aren't properly comparable to those of most other ACC freshmen, because, of necessity, they got much more playing time.
That said, we''ll have to wait for next season to see whose assessment is confirmed by results. The more optimistic outlook suggests that they should at least come close to .500. I hope you optimists are right, but I don't think so.