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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:58 pm

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P.S. eepstein, who gives a rat's ass that the tight flex is boring. Were you bitching when the team was 20 and fucking 0 and ranked #4 in the country?


I hate that people need to make dumbass comparisons to your husband's coaching success, of which there was much.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby Mike_S on Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:01 pm

Don't understand all the anti-Epstein stuff -- he's dead right a lot of the time. I agree with him that a .500+ season is a reasonable goal for next year (just like Wake Forest's progression from last year to this). Even if the guys all improve, the team is short a scorer or two unless next year's freshmen really surprise.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:15 pm

Mike_S wrote:Don't understand all the anti-Epstein stuff -- he's dead right a lot of the time. I agree with him that a .500+ season is a reasonable goal for next year (just like Wake Forest's progression from last year to this). Even if the guys all improve, the team is short a scorer or two unless next year's freshmen really surprise.


eepstein gets shit because he said there were no ACC players on the roster in like the first half of the UNH game. I think he knows how ridiculous that was at this point, but that deserves some ball busting. I also don't think anyone has disagreed that .500 is reasonable for next year's goal.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby bignick33 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:16 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
Mike_S wrote:Don't understand all the anti-Epstein stuff -- he's dead right a lot of the time. I agree with him that a .500+ season is a reasonable goal for next year (just like Wake Forest's progression from last year to this). Even if the guys all improve, the team is short a scorer or two unless next year's freshmen really surprise.


eepstein gets shit because he said there were no ACC players on the roster in like the first half of the UNH game. I think he knows how ridiculous that was at this point, but that deserves some ball busting. I also don't think anyone has disagreed that .500 is reasonable for next year's goal.


As for the goal for next year, I would add that it's not so much a goal as it is a necessity.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:26 pm

bignick33 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
Mike_S wrote:Don't understand all the anti-Epstein stuff -- he's dead right a lot of the time. I agree with him that a .500+ season is a reasonable goal for next year (just like Wake Forest's progression from last year to this). Even if the guys all improve, the team is short a scorer or two unless next year's freshmen really surprise.


eepstein gets shit because he said there were no ACC players on the roster in like the first half of the UNH game. I think he knows how ridiculous that was at this point, but that deserves some ball busting. I also don't think anyone has disagreed that .500 is reasonable for next year's goal.


As for the goal for next year, I would add that it's not so much a goal as it is a necessity.


to add to this, if we do not get to .500 next year there will be actual damage to recruiting and there will be transfers.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby DrJackRyan on Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:31 pm

eagle9903 wrote:Additionally, BC absolutely does not have the same academic leniency as UNC, Georgetown or Syracuse, they may have the same basic standards but those other athletic departments allow more leeway for exceptions. Fab Melo, Victor Page, Allen Iverson, Rasheed Wallace, Patrick Ewing, I don't believe those guys would be accepted to BC.



Patrick Ewing almost went to BC. His final two were Georgetown and BC.

BC would have had the national player of the year in football and in basketball in 1985. Not to mention the Hoops team would probably gone to the Final Four. Ewing plus Michael Adams...would have been amazing.

Of course, it was pretty easy to get into BC in the fall of 80/winter of 81.

Does Campion still post here? My memory is a little foggy but he remembers that stuff pretty well.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby HJS on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:51 pm

First... enough of the academic excuse in FB and BB. It simply ain't true and ain't something that holds BC back. This is just some BS platitude peddled by those who want to feel better about sucking... like we are sucking on purpose for the greater good. BC cannot stock its roster with partial qualifiers, but it certainly bring in a Steven Daniels every year.

Second... Nerlens Noel would be admitted to BC should he want to come here (which I truly heard he did). If he isn't, then it is 100% on GDF for not supporting his coaches.

Third... Nerlens makes this team an instant Tourney Team. A front line of Clifford, Anderson and Noel with Jackson hit 3s is a goddamn Sweet Sixteen squad (when you consider that Clifford et al will be sophs then).

Fourth... landing Noel is a game changer for a coach like Donahue and a struggling program like BC. It creates excitement and interest... two things that haven't been at BC in any sport for almost 4 years.

Fifth... anyone tying to rationalize otherwise has simply internalized the "we are what we are" mantra excreted by Flip.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby HJS on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:56 pm

To further support my point... and to stick it to the "Why would Nerlens ever want to come to a program like BC" jerks... rumor floating around is that he is bound for Cooley and effing PROVIDENCE!!!
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/exclu ... owards-pc/
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby thebigskinny31 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:57 pm

HJS wrote:To further support my point... and to stick it to the "Why would Nerlens ever want to come to a program like BC" jerks... rumor floating around is that he is bound for Cooley and effing PROVIDENCE!!!
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/exclu ... owards-pc/


This wouldn't surprise me. Cooley has made it quite obvious that he can recruit. He was the guy I was hoping BC was going to hire but I can understand them wanting to move away from the Skinner Era and not bringing back one of his assistants. It's been obvious since day 1 Cooley is gunna turn Providence into a power very soon.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby joemack13 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:57 pm

I know nothing about nerlins but if he's someone that can come in at the 4 and be a star year one then this would definitely be a tourney team
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:13 pm

thebigskinny31 wrote:
HJS wrote:To further support my point... and to stick it to the "Why would Nerlens ever want to come to a program like BC" jerks... rumor floating around is that he is bound for Cooley and effing PROVIDENCE!!!
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/exclu ... owards-pc/


This wouldn't surprise me. Cooley has made it quite obvious that he can recruit. He was the guy I was hoping BC was going to hire but I can understand them wanting to move away from the Skinner Era and not bringing back one of his assistants. It's been obvious since day 1 Cooley is gunna turn Providence into a power very soon.


The PC thing is a joke. He's not picking Providence over UNC and Kentucky.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby HJS on Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:27 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
thebigskinny31 wrote:
HJS wrote:To further support my point... and to stick it to the "Why would Nerlens ever want to come to a program like BC" jerks... rumor floating around is that he is bound for Cooley and effing PROVIDENCE!!!
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/exclu ... owards-pc/


This wouldn't surprise me. Cooley has made it quite obvious that he can recruit. He was the guy I was hoping BC was going to hire but I can understand them wanting to move away from the Skinner Era and not bringing back one of his assistants. It's been obvious since day 1 Cooley is gunna turn Providence into a power very soon.


The PC thing is a joke. He's not picking Providence over UNC and Kentucky.

What is a joke is BC not being involved to the same extent as the fucking Providence Friars. Its also a joke that so-called fans are perfectly accepting of this. It is also a joke that some so-called fans would prefer that BC not even try for a kid with BC connections once the likes f Kentucky and UNC show interest.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby Ahzeem on Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:53 am

pick6pedro wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
pick6pedro wrote:
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
pick6pedro wrote:
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
MilitantEagle wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:They win 15 games next year going 6-10 or better in conference play and I'll be happy. 2013-14, I expect a winning record and an NIT bid at a minimum. If this team does not make the NCAAs by 2014-15, it will be time to look for a new coach.


I agree with this timeline/deadline.


Also, in agreeance. How many votes do we need to make this the official stance of EO Conte Forum board?


I don't think eepstein will ever agree with anything so un-gloomy, so everyone but him and we're good to go.


You better make the NCAA's in 2013-14. Otherwise I'm cool.


Are you also operating under the assumption that the field remains at 68 for the foreseeable future and does not go to 128 as has been suggested? Want to make sure we're on the same page here.


Field is 68. This kid will all be Juniors and it'll be Donahue's 4th year.


I think you're forgetting how tough it is to make the tournament. You were at BC for Skinner's peak and I think you learned to take it for granted.


So you're saying he's spoiled, Geno?


I see what you did there.

I do think he's spoiled, but I think he's spoiled because he insinuates that people who travel to support the teams when they are not good are stupid, not because I think his standards are too high.


Agreed - just couldn't pass up the layup.


Didn't go to BC. But good try. The NCAA Tournament isn't that hard to make. Plenty of mediocre teams get in every year.


You don't have to have gone to BC to be a "spoiled fan" in the eyes of Gene D. Fillippo. So stuff your good tries in a sack, OJ.

Interesting post…. So I may as well chime in…
.. anyone thinking BC can’t land a top recruit like Nerlens is not seeing the whole picture. There are Freshman all over the league wishing they had got offered by BC. We have 9 freshman getting 20+ minutes per game with plenty of minutes still available for someone that can produce. Let’s see…. Sit on UNC bench (McCadoo) and get freshman minutes or start and play 30 minutes per night for BC. The Don is going to hand pick the right kids that fit his program just like he did this year. I am willing to bet he finds what he is lacking and beefs up his lineup to compliment what he already has begun.

As far as next year goes I too will be happy if they can be at least .500 next year… However anything short of the NIT next year will be disappointing… I really expect these guys to shock the world next year. :popcorn
The way I see it… there is no reason to assume that these guys will regress seeing that that are finding some success now and they are playing in an environment that promotes growth. BC is holding it’s own even against teams that have guys that will be graduating and or joining the NBA next year. This works two fold for BC; first by giving them the experience of playing against the top guys in the ACC nightly… and the bigger advantage for BC is that every team will lose a couple of their top players all the senior, many of the Juniors and a few of the sophomores will leave… thus BC gets stronger… other guys get weaker… I think these kids know how important it is to get those early wins and they definitely understand that losing to anyone in Mass. is unacceptable. :suicide
These guys have hit the milestones so far and have blown us away with their improvement in play. I predicted that BC will be .500 for Feb this year, if they accomplish that… they will at least make the NIT next year and should make the tournament.
They must finish strong .500 for Feb will make everyone forget about Nov. GO BC

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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby claver2010 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:45 am

Ahzeem wrote:The way I see it… there is no reason to assume that these guys will regress seeing that that are finding some success now and they are playing in an environment that promotes growth. BC is holding it’s own even against teams that have guys that will be graduating and or joining the NBA next year. This works two fold for BC; first by giving them the experience of playing against the top guys in the ACC nightly… and the bigger advantage for BC is that every team will lose a couple of their top players all the senior, many of the Juniors and a few of the sophomores will leave… thus BC gets stronger… other guys get weaker… I think these kids know how important it is to get those early wins and they definitely understand that losing to anyone in Mass. is unacceptable. :suicide


WHAT ABOUT CAHILL!!!

But seriously NIT next year. Losing these games to some bullshit AE school will be unacceptable next year. They need to rack up the wins in OOC.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby MilitantEagle on Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:09 am

HJS wrote:To further support my point... and to stick it to the "Why would Nerlens ever want to come to a program like BC" jerks... rumor floating around is that he is bound for Cooley and effing PROVIDENCE!!!
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/exclu ... owards-pc/


I doubt you've been to a game since 1995, so pipe down. Some of us actually support the program and attend the games and you are in no position to call out other fans. Internet rantings mean nothing when it comes to being a fan.

And Providence is a solid program.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby eagle9903 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:26 am

HJS wrote:First... enough of the academic excuse in FB and BB. It simply ain't true and ain't something that holds BC back. This is just some BS platitude peddled by those who want to feel better about sucking... like we are sucking on purpose for the greater good. BC cannot stock its roster with partial qualifiers, but it certainly bring in a Steven Daniels every year.


No, it is sometimes true(Kenny Britt) and it is sometimes bullshit (Rodman Noel). I don't think Noel is a guy they couldn't squeeze in, but it would absolutely be an exception and if it didn't go well it would mean no more leeway for basketball for a few years.

HJS wrote:Second... Nerlens Noel would be admitted to BC should he want to come here (which I truly heard he did). If he isn't, then it is 100% on GDF for not supporting his coaches.


Same thing as above.

HJS wrote:Third... Nerlens makes this team an instant Tourney Team. A front line of Clifford, Anderson and Noel with Jackson hit 3s is a goddamn Sweet Sixteen squad (when you consider that Clifford et al will be sophs then).


I don't think this is correct, its an awesome front court. However, unless the guards coming in next year are ready to play well right away, I don't see a tournament berth as anywhere near a foregone conclusion.

HJS wrote:Fourth... landing Noel is a game changer for a coach like Donahue and a struggling program like BC. It creates excitement and interest... two things that haven't been at BC in any sport for almost 4 years.


This is the crux of the matter. It would definitely create excitement and interest; provided the nerds or locals follow hs recruiting, which they might a little. He's a rare top talent in MA with a positive connection to BC (I think you're full of shit with your comments that he wanted to come to BC - he may have given BC consideration but you make it sound like he said hey guys I'm ready to sign and they told him to piss off). However, other than this years team, next years team makes the least sense of any in the last 12 years for the addition of a probably one and done with Noel's skill set. He doesn't really fit into the system and his offensive game is generally weak at this point. A player who wants to play in the NBA in fall of 2013 is not going to be happy if his skill set is being under utilized and he is playing for a team with a record hovering around .500.

The Good:
1) hype and excitement (probably result in a lot less espn3);
2) increased fan attendance (not all that likely, unless they win);
3) increase in MA recruiting ;
4) Potential earlier than expected tournament run;

The Bad:
1) Screw up future admissions for other borderline basketball players;
2) Unhappy Noel in poor fit offense on team with a mediocre record;
3) Potential for no increase in fan attendance;
4) blowback from local coaches and recruits if things don't go well.

HJS wrote:Fifth... anyone tying to rationalize otherwise has simply internalized the "we are what we are" mantra excreted by Flip.


This is retarded. Anyone who makes statements like this can suck about 20-25 dicks and shut the fuck up. You water your legitimate GDF issues down with overuse. GDF is a shitty AD with an inflated role and he is responsible directly for the murder of the football program. Donahue is arguably a worse hire than Cooley, and may never reach Skinner's level of success but seems to me like a good hire so far.

Finally, I would very much like to see Noel at BC, but I don't think its as clear of a home run as you make it out to be. Please respond without using the word "ain't" like 6 times because it is annoying. As an aside, I want them to go all out after Vonleh, especially, and also Selden. Also if Noel was a class behind or a class ahead, I would want them to pull out all the stops.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:38 am

MilitantEagle wrote:
HJS wrote:To further support my point... and to stick it to the "Why would Nerlens ever want to come to a program like BC" jerks... rumor floating around is that he is bound for Cooley and effing PROVIDENCE!!!
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/exclu ... owards-pc/


I doubt you've been to a game since 1995, so pipe down. Some of us actually support the program and attend the games and you are in no position to call out other fans. Internet rantings mean nothing when it comes to being a fan.

And Providence is a solid program.


I'll echo this. I've driven about to the end of the Earth for BC Basketball games. I care much more about BC Basketball than I do BC Football.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby joemack13 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:06 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
HJS wrote:First... enough of the academic excuse in FB and BB. It simply ain't true and ain't something that holds BC back. This is just some BS platitude peddled by those who want to feel better about sucking... like we are sucking on purpose for the greater good. BC cannot stock its roster with partial qualifiers, but it certainly bring in a Steven Daniels every year.


No, it is sometimes true(Kenny Britt) and it is sometimes bullshit (Rodman Noel). I don't think Noel is a guy they couldn't squeeze in, but it would absolutely be an exception and if it didn't go well it would mean no more leeway for basketball for a few years.

HJS wrote:Second... Nerlens Noel would be admitted to BC should he want to come here (which I truly heard he did). If he isn't, then it is 100% on GDF for not supporting his coaches.


Same thing as above.

HJS wrote:Third... Nerlens makes this team an instant Tourney Team. A front line of Clifford, Anderson and Noel with Jackson hit 3s is a goddamn Sweet Sixteen squad (when you consider that Clifford et al will be sophs then).


I don't think this is correct, its an awesome front court. However, unless the guards coming in next year are ready to play well right away, I don't see a tournament berth as anywhere near a foregone conclusion.

HJS wrote:Fourth... landing Noel is a game changer for a coach like Donahue and a struggling program like BC. It creates excitement and interest... two things that haven't been at BC in any sport for almost 4 years.


This is the crux of the matter. It would definitely create excitement and interest; provided the nerds or locals follow hs recruiting, which they might a little. He's a rare top talent in MA with a positive connection to BC (I think you're full of shit with your comments that he wanted to come to BC - he may have given BC consideration but you make it sound like he said hey guys I'm ready to sign and they told him to piss off). However, other than this years team, next years team makes the least sense of any in the last 12 years for the addition of a probably one and done with Noel's skill set. He doesn't really fit into the system and his offensive game is generally weak at this point. A player who wants to play in the NBA in fall of 2013 is not going to be happy if his skill set is being under utilized and he is playing for a team with a record hovering around .500.

The Good:
1) hype and excitement (probably result in a lot less espn3);
2) increased fan attendance (not all that likely, unless they win);
3) increase in MA recruiting ;
4) Potential earlier than expected tournament run;

The Bad:
1) Screw up future admissions for other borderline basketball players;
2) Unhappy Noel in poor fit offense on team with a mediocre record;
3) Potential for no increase in fan attendance;
4) blowback from local coaches and recruits if things don't go well.

HJS wrote:Fifth... anyone tying to rationalize otherwise has simply internalized the "we are what we are" mantra excreted by Flip.


This is retarded. Anyone who makes statements like this can suck about 20-25 dicks and shut the fuck up. You water your legitimate GDF issues down with overuse. GDF is a shitty AD with an inflated role and he is responsible directly for the murder of the football program. Donahue is arguably a worse hire than Cooley, and may never reach Skinner's level of success but seems to me like a good hire so far.

Finally, I would very much like to see Noel at BC, but I don't think its as clear of a home run as you make it out to be. Please respond without using the word "ain't" like 6 times because it is annoying. As an aside, I want them to go all out after Vonleh, especially, and also Selden. Also if Noel was a class behind or a class ahead, I would want them to pull out all the stops.


It really sounds like you're reaching. I agree with your positives, and actually think you're being a little soft on the impact on both attendance and performance. But "The Bad"... I'm not even really sure what you're suggesting might go wrong... how would the concerns be different for any other player? It's crazy to say that we should think twice about bringing in a player because he's too good...

If you're worried he'd be that bad of a fit for the system to the point where he wouldn't get good minutes then it would make sense to cross him off the list, but I'd really be surprised to find a kid that highly touted couldn't contribute something on this team, especially with our need for another big guy.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby eagle9903 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:16 pm

joemack13 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
HJS wrote:First... enough of the academic excuse in FB and BB. It simply ain't true and ain't something that holds BC back. This is just some BS platitude peddled by those who want to feel better about sucking... like we are sucking on purpose for the greater good. BC cannot stock its roster with partial qualifiers, but it certainly bring in a Steven Daniels every year.


No, it is sometimes true(Kenny Britt) and it is sometimes bullshit (Rodman Noel). I don't think Noel is a guy they couldn't squeeze in, but it would absolutely be an exception and if it didn't go well it would mean no more leeway for basketball for a few years.

HJS wrote:Second... Nerlens Noel would be admitted to BC should he want to come here (which I truly heard he did). If he isn't, then it is 100% on GDF for not supporting his coaches.


Same thing as above.

HJS wrote:Third... Nerlens makes this team an instant Tourney Team. A front line of Clifford, Anderson and Noel with Jackson hit 3s is a goddamn Sweet Sixteen squad (when you consider that Clifford et al will be sophs then).


I don't think this is correct, its an awesome front court. However, unless the guards coming in next year are ready to play well right away, I don't see a tournament berth as anywhere near a foregone conclusion.

HJS wrote:Fourth... landing Noel is a game changer for a coach like Donahue and a struggling program like BC. It creates excitement and interest... two things that haven't been at BC in any sport for almost 4 years.


This is the crux of the matter. It would definitely create excitement and interest; provided the nerds or locals follow hs recruiting, which they might a little. He's a rare top talent in MA with a positive connection to BC (I think you're full of shit with your comments that he wanted to come to BC - he may have given BC consideration but you make it sound like he said hey guys I'm ready to sign and they told him to piss off). However, other than this years team, next years team makes the least sense of any in the last 12 years for the addition of a probably one and done with Noel's skill set. He doesn't really fit into the system and his offensive game is generally weak at this point. A player who wants to play in the NBA in fall of 2013 is not going to be happy if his skill set is being under utilized and he is playing for a team with a record hovering around .500.

The Good:
1) hype and excitement (probably result in a lot less espn3);
2) increased fan attendance (not all that likely, unless they win);
3) increase in MA recruiting ;
4) Potential earlier than expected tournament run;

The Bad:
1) Screw up future admissions for other borderline basketball players;
2) Unhappy Noel in poor fit offense on team with a mediocre record;
3) Potential for no increase in fan attendance;
4) blowback from local coaches and recruits if things don't go well.

HJS wrote:Fifth... anyone tying to rationalize otherwise has simply internalized the "we are what we are" mantra excreted by Flip.


This is retarded. Anyone who makes statements like this can suck about 20-25 dicks and shut the fuck up. You water your legitimate GDF issues down with overuse. GDF is a shitty AD with an inflated role and he is responsible directly for the murder of the football program. Donahue is arguably a worse hire than Cooley, and may never reach Skinner's level of success but seems to me like a good hire so far.

Finally, I would very much like to see Noel at BC, but I don't think its as clear of a home run as you make it out to be. Please respond without using the word "ain't" like 6 times because it is annoying. As an aside, I want them to go all out after Vonleh, especially, and also Selden. Also if Noel was a class behind or a class ahead, I would want them to pull out all the stops.


It really sounds like you're reaching. I agree with your positives, and actually think you're being a little soft on the impact on both attendance and performance. But "The Bad"... I'm not even really sure what you're suggesting might go wrong... how would the concerns be different for any other player? It's crazy to say that we should think twice about bringing in a player because he's too good...

If you're worried he'd be that bad of a fit for the system to the point where he wouldn't get good minutes then it would make sense to cross him off the list, but I'd really be surprised to find a kid that highly touted couldn't contribute something on this team, especially with our need for another big guy.


I'm sure I'm not being clear, it is nearly impossible to argue with HJS without seeming like you are stating that we should give up playing division one sports and lay down and die.

The only argument I am trying to set forth is that of devil's advocate, in light of the "noel wanted to come here, but Donahue is a GDF hire, so he didn't let him" school of thought, that it is wrong that every one-and-done type top talent is a foregone conclusion to bring success and that their might be reasons not to pursue this guy if it means pushing him through admissions.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby Ahzeem on Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:39 am

claver2010 wrote:
Ahzeem wrote:The way I see it… there is no reason to assume that these guys will regress seeing that that are finding some success now and they are playing in an environment that promotes growth. BC is holding it’s own even against teams that have guys that will be graduating and or joining the NBA next year. This works two fold for BC; first by giving them the experience of playing against the top guys in the ACC nightly… and the bigger advantage for BC is that every team will lose a couple of their top players all the senior, many of the Juniors and a few of the sophomores will leave… thus BC gets stronger… other guys get weaker… I think these kids know how important it is to get those early wins and they definitely understand that losing to anyone in Mass. is unacceptable. :suicide


WHAT ABOUT CAHILL!!!

But seriously NIT next year. Losing these games to some bullshit AE school will be unacceptable next year. They need to rack up the wins in OOC.


What about Cahill...?
He proves my point... the rest of the teams will be full of players that could not get on the court this year because of a better player playing in front of them. Of course the top teams will have quality players filling the gaps and an influx of new players but that too will lend a helping hand to BC's success next year. :whiteflag The other teams will be relying on their incoming freshman and sophomores that will have had limited minutes this year to come together and find themselves early on. I expect BC to pick up where they left off this year and come into the season playing together as one unit and they will be much stronger than they are this year.

They finish strong this year… and they will come into the season in playoff form! All of them will live in the gym day one after the season is over. Clifford mentioned in a post game interview that he was slacking a bit in the weight room prior to his freshman season and vowed he would not do that again. I really expect them to make the tourney and I think they would feel that the NIT would be a disappointing consolation for them. :81 I believe these kids believe they can win in the ACC they have proven they can do that… I mean win against some of these teams that they lost to this year. The UNC’s of the world may be out of reach for now but everyone of those OOC games is in reach. Remember the Don had to teach them everything this year next year it will be more of a sharpening of the saw.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby bcmurph on Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:06 pm

We can follow Nerlens on his magical journey courtesy of ESPN Boston...

http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/boys-basketball/post/_/id/2871/nerlens-notebook-back-to-2012
"Stay with this young team - there are great days ahead." Coach Donahue tweet 2/19/2012
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby BC923 on Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:50 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
781 wrote:
Hunta518 wrote:
781 wrote:But Skinner did land top 150 recruits and players that could step in and be a MAJOR contributor from day 1. I don't need to list the recruiting classes skinner brought in cause you can catch a couple of his players on TNT, ESPN... Brady Heslip should be in a BC uniform instead look what he's doing for BC. I would hope that some of you come out to the big Prep tournament in R.I. this weekend and see how BC coaches don't even show up sometimes.



yeah and those players you see on ESPN and TNT weren't top 150, world beater recruits. Dudley was a last second find and Smith had to prep a year but still had decent offers, revisionist history



Reggie Jackson(OKC) *** *******(Dallas) were top 150 recruits


The Skinner teams with Reggie Jackson sucked. In 3 years, they went a whopping 19-29 in the ACC with an absolutely mauling from USC in 1 Round in the only NCAA Tournament appearance. We also brought in the "World Beater" class of Southern, Sanders, Paris and Raji. Those teams blew as well. The best results they got were under the current coach.

Once we start winning, the recruiting will follow.

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Postby eepstein0 on Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:58 pm

BC923 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
781 wrote:
Hunta518 wrote:
781 wrote:But Skinner did land top 150 recruits and players that could step in and be a MAJOR contributor from day 1. I don't need to list the recruiting classes skinner brought in cause you can catch a couple of his players on TNT, ESPN... Brady Heslip should be in a BC uniform instead look what he's doing for BC. I would hope that some of you come out to the big Prep tournament in R.I. this weekend and see how BC coaches don't even show up sometimes.



yeah and those players you see on ESPN and TNT weren't top 150, world beater recruits. Dudley was a last second find and Smith had to prep a year but still had decent offers, revisionist history



Reggie Jackson(OKC) *** *******(Dallas) were top 150 recruits


The Skinner teams with Reggie Jackson sucked. In 3 years, they went a whopping 19-29 in the ACC with an absolutely mauling from USC in 1 Round in the only NCAA Tournament appearance. We also brought in the "World Beater" class of Southern, Sanders, Paris and Raji. Those teams blew as well. The best results they got were under the current coach.

Once we start winning, the recruiting will follow.

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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby RedBaron67 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:34 am

Winning and recruiting are a chicken-and-egg combination. To push them into the mutually reinforcing momentum that makes a program successful, BC will have to overperform either a whole lot in one or a significant amount in both. We'll see what happens over the next two years.
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Postby claver2010 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:22 am

I know it's a couple of days late but here's a huge NYT piece on Nerlens Noel -absolutely disgustiad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/sports/ncaabasketball/everybody-wants-a-piece-of-nerlens-noel.html

Everybody Wants a Piece of Nerlens Noel

By PETE THAMEL
Published: March 10, 2012

EVERETT, Mass. — Nerlens Noel is a 6-foot-10 basketball star considered the best prospect from the Boston area since Patrick Ewing. He is the top-ranked high school senior in the country, and hailed as the best shot blocker of his generation. The 17-year-old son of working-class Haitian immigrants, he could be worth $10 million in about 16 months when he is eligible for the 2013 N.B.A draft.

A high school prospect with a promising future is immersed in the murky world of major-college recruiting.

His college choices have narrowed to some of the elite programs in the country: Kentucky, Syracuse, North Carolina, Georgetown and Connecticut.

All make the future seem blindingly bright for Noel. But in the shadowy world of recruiting, it is rarely that simple. The pursuit of Noel includes not just college coaches hoping for a star on the court. There are also fringe figures hoping to latch on to a player seemingly viewed more as a commodity than as a teenager.

“I feel like the kid is a piece of meat right now, and he’s going to be used,” said George Wright-Easy, one of the numerous adults who have mentored Noel over the years. “Grown men are fighting over a kid.”

Those tied on some level with Noel’s recruitment include a former Providence assistant who has been barred from visiting Noel’s prep school, an unemployed high school football coach, a prominent coach of a summer basketball team in Boston, Noel’s high school coach, a former star recruit who believes his career was derailed by bad advice and a low-level N.B.A. agent who works for the group that represents LeBron James, Creative Artists Agency.

The scramble to get close to Noel underscores how important it is to be associated with an elite high school recruit. For a coach, it may mean a lucrative job. For an agent, the hope is big money once the player reaches the N.B.A. For a player like Noel, however, it can mean a cacophony of voices, people with motives of their own. Choosing whom to listen to could mean the difference between a future filled with N.B.A. riches or a tale discussed in muted tones along the recruiting trail.

If Nerlens Noel is the first player selected in the 2013 N.B.A. draft, as the Web site Draft Express currently projects, he should receive a contract of about $20 million. If he is among the top 10 picks, he can expect a deal worth at least $10 million.

And that does not include endorsements, which could be lucrative for a player who has nearly 14,000 followers on Twitter and an account —
@NerlensHighTop — dedicated to his box-top Afro hairstyle. All that attention is a long way from Noel’s humble beginnings in the tight-knit community of Everett, Mass., on the outskirts of Boston. Dorcina and Yonel Noel immigrated to the area from Haiti in 1990, and friends of the family say they initially worked at cleaning jobs at a local hospital. The four Noel children, perhaps not knowing any better, would tell friends their father was a doctor.

Noel and his older brothers, Jim and Rodman, spent their afternoons in the Everett High School gym, playing basketball with the son of the school’s longtime football and basketball coach, John DiBiaso. After their games, DiBiaso would sometimes buy them Gatorade or maybe a Chicken McNugget value meal at McDonald’s.

With Noel’s parents working long hours and rarely attending school activities or sporting events, the community helped raise the Noel children. Parents of friends chipped in to provide cleats, baseball gloves and registration fees for youth sports. Someone always found them a ride to practice or a game.

Lenny Parsons, a youth coach whose son played with the Noel boys, gave one of his winter coats to Nerlens, who was wearing adult sizes when he was in junior high. Parsons learned Creole phrases — “ak pase?” means “what’s up?” — and knew Noel so well that he kept Cheez-Its, Noel’s favorite snack, at his home and jokingly demanded that Noel keep his sneakers on during visits because his feet smelled. When Noel had academic problems in seventh grade, administrators asked Parsons to help.

Parsons coached Noel on youth travel basketball teams. Even then, he noticed rival coaches sizing up his star player and attempting to poach him.

“There have been people trying to use him since the fourth or fifth grade,” said Parsons, who works at a Budweiser distribution plant and has a son who plays football at Princeton.

Noel’s older brothers were multisport stars at Everett High and earned football scholarships; Jim will be a senior at Boston College next season and Rodman a sophomore at North Carolina State. But early on, Nerlens focused on basketball.

“Nerlens is his own man, and he’s been that way for years,” said Errol Randolph, who worked as an unassigned teacher at Everett High and has advised all three Noel brothers. “Since he was in eighth grade, he pretty much went by the beat of his own drum. He don’t answer to no one.”

When Noel decided to leave Everett at the end of his sophomore year and attend the private Tilton School in New Hampshire, the move surprised the community and created hurt feelings. Some in Everett say that decision came after a meeting of the sort that can involve star players, even well before they approach college. At the meeting were Noel; his mother; Randolph, the teacher; and two former volunteers for the prominent local amateur team Noel played for, Chris Driscoll and Reggie Saladin.

Driscoll had known the Noel family since Nerlens was 10, first coaching Jim Noel. Driscoll had steered other players from lower-income backgrounds to Tilton and other prep schools. At the meeting with Noel, Saladin, the other former volunteer, was given an essential task: he translated for Dorcina Noel, the Haitian immigrant trying to decide what was best for her son.

Randolph said some in Everett blamed him for Noel’s leaving, but he insisted Noel made the best decision for his future.

“They felt like I made him to go Tilton, but if it was my kid and he could get a $60,000 education for free, I’d let my kid go there,” Randolph said of the school, which has an annual tuition of $47,600.

Noel did not discuss his decision with coaches or administrators at Everett. Suddenly, the kid who had grown up in the Everett gym and been embraced by the community was gone. He would not be graduating from the high school that his brothers Jim and Rodman starred for before heading off to college.

It is not clear how much say Noel’s parents, who are now separated, have in their son’s college decision. His father, Yonel, drives a cab in the Boston area, and Nerlens Noel recently told ESPN.com that his mother, Dorcina, can no longer work two jobs at the hospital because of back problems.

DiBiaso said he had placed a call to Georgetown during Noel’s sophomore year, believing the Hoyas were a possible destination for Noel because of the team’s successful history of developing big men like Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning and Dikembe Mutombo and the university’s strong academics. Yet, DiBiaso said that a rift developed between him and the Noel family after he made the call, perhaps an early sign of others attempting to influence the young star.

“The big thing I echoed to the parents when I did speak with them was that I’ve been here 33 years; I’m not looking for anything,” DiBiaso said. “I’m going to be here when I retire or hopefully until I die. I don’t need anything. I’m not looking for anything but what’s best for Nerlens.”

He let out a long sigh and said, “They chose a different tack and we lost touch.”

Noel declined to speak to a reporter from The New York Times when he was approached for comment.

The Everett High principal, Louis Baldi, said he was “extremely concerned” about Noel, and said that his recruitment reminded him of a boxer with a teeming entourage in his heyday who might find himself penniless upon retirement.

“I pray it works out for him and that the light turns on in his head,” Baldi said of Noel. “I pray it’s not too late.”

A Questionable Climb,

And Dubious Credentials

When Providence named Chris Driscoll an assistant in the summer of 2010, the move stunned many in college basketball. Driscoll had little playing experience beyond high school, his highest basketball position to that point had been as an assistant with a prominent amateur team, and he had not graduated from a conventional college.

What Driscoll did have was access to the top players like Nerlens Noel in the Boston area, a precious commodity for Providence, which was trying to keep pace in the Big East.

Recruiting is the lifeblood of college basketball. To win, coaches need a steady stream of good players. And if a person can deliver players like that, he can often parlay that talent, rather than extensive coaching credentials, into a job as an assistant.

Driscoll, 41, is separated from his wife and has three children. Associates say his main job over the years has been running the Massachusetts-based charity Mentoring At-Risk Athletes, called MARA. Driscoll’s ascension through the coaching ranks can be traced to his connection to Will Blalock, a talented young Boston-area guard in the early 2000s. Driscoll was a presence at Blalock’s games before becoming a volunteer assistant for the Boston Amateur Basketball Club in 2005, said Leo Papile, the club’s coach since 1977.

The Boston club is a prominent amateur team of the sort that now dominate the world of summer high school basketball and often play an outsize role in the development and recruitment of elite players. (For its part, B.A.B.C. says it does not get involved in its players’ recruitment.)

Blalock was the first prominent player Driscoll became close to, and after Blalock accepted a scholarship to Iowa State in 2003, Driscoll used him as a poster child for MARA.

A photograph of Blalock, identifying him as an at-risk athlete, appeared on the cover of a MARA pamphlet, along with the photographs of several other talented players from the Boston Amateur club. Blalock said he received numerous major scholarship offers before meeting Driscoll.

“At risk of what?” said Nate Thompson, a former assistant with club. “The only thing they were at risk of was becoming great basketball players. That made me suspicious. In my opinion, he was abusing the connections.”

Papile — who has coached players like Ewing, Chris Herren and Scoonie Penn and also worked as a scout and in the front office for the Boston Celtics for almost 15 years — said he regretted allowing Driscoll to have access to the Boston summer team and its top players. He has since barred all B.A.B.C. volunteers from becoming involved in a player’s recruitment. He calls it the Chris Driscoll Rule.

“He’s a great disappointment to me,” Papile said of Driscoll. “I thought he had wanted to be a coach, but it appears that his primary object was to be a handler. He’s not a teacher, he’s not a coach.”

He added, “Bluntly, you’re dealing with the worst guy I’ve ever known in this game.”

But Driscoll also had supporters from his time with the Boston summer team. Pernell McDaniel, whose son, Jamal Coombs-McDaniel, went to Tilton with the help of Driscoll and is now a junior forward for Hofstra, called Driscoll “the best thing that happened to us.” Alex Oriakhi Sr., whose son, Alex, also went to Tilton and is a Connecticut junior, said his son called Driscoll their “white family member.”

Driscoll found himself in the middle of controversy during his season at Providence. Laurel Cannon, the mother of guard Gerard Coleman, called Providence administrators and claimed that her son was asked by Driscoll to fake an injury in order to lose games. The reason he asked, Cannon told Providence administrators, was so Coach Keno Davis would be fired and Driscoll could take over.

Coleman refused Driscoll’s request, his mother said, sending him a text message that said “the man in me” would not allow him do that.

“No one wants someone to see their child used as a product; no one does,” Cannon said. “He had us fooled. He really had us fooled.”

She informed Providence’s athletic director, Bob Driscoll, of Chris Driscoll’s request, but Bob Driscoll, who is not related, said he investigated and did not find reason to take any action.

“I took what his mother said very, very seriously,” Bob Driscoll said. “If that happened, it’s a fireable offense. Chris denied it and said it was a misunderstanding, and we moved on from there. I can’t tell you whether it happened or not.”

After multiple phone conversations, Driscoll said his lawyer advised him to say, “I vehemently deny all of the allegations.” He declined further comment.

Bob Driscoll was primarily responsible for hiring Chris Driscoll at Providence. He identified him as a candidate and suggested him as a possible assistant to Davis. Chris Driscoll received a multiyear contract, which is not standard for assistants.

One of the lines on Chris Driscoll’s résumé appeared to be dubious but apparently did not raise suspicion at Providence. He claimed to be a 1996 graduate of Amhurst University. Two of the country’s leading experts on fraudulent schools, the Illinois professor George Gollin and the former F.B.I. agent Allen Ezell, said that the apparently now-defunct Amhurst University, which billed itself as a distance learning center, was a diploma mill, essentially a school that awards a degree for money rather than the actual completion of coursework.

Gollin said that if Providence had investigated, it would have taken it little time to determine Amhurst’s illegitimacy. (A phone call placed to the number listed on Amhurst University’s Web site went directly to voice mail, and a message left received no response.)

Bob Driscoll said that Chris Driscoll passed a background check and that he was subject to the typical human resources review. Chris Driscoll also contended in his biography that he had an interim coaching record of 97-2 and won eight national championships with the Boston summer team, numbers that Papile said were exaggerated. Officials from a Massachusetts-based charity that Driscoll was involved with, Community Teamwork Inc., laughed when told that he claimed he raised $10 million; they said the actual figure was less than $100,000.

“If I had thought or learned that he didn’t have a degree or had surreptitious things on his résumé, we never would have hired him,” Bob Driscoll said. “I was under the impression he had a degree and it was legitimate.”

Chris Driscoll had a strong relationship with Noel before he was hired by Providence, helping to steer him from Everett to Tilton. Just days before he took the Providence job, Driscoll drove to the house of Tilton Coach Marcus O’Neil in Eliot, Me. According to O’Neil, Driscoll told him that he thought Davis would be fired at the end of the season and that Driscoll felt he had a chance to replace him.

“He told me that he thought he was going to be the next coach at Providence College and that I could be his assistant,” O’Neil said. “All I had to do was help him to get Nerlens Noel to commit to Providence College.”

O’Neil rebuffed Driscoll, but it was not the last time he was approached. After Driscoll had been fired by Providence along with the rest of Davis’s staff in the spring of 2011, he met O’Neil at a pizza restaurant in Tilton.

“Nerlens is my last chance,” O’Neil recalled Driscoll saying. “I need to score, and I need to score big.”

O’Neil said Driscoll added, “You’re either with me or against me on this.”

A Young Player

Who Had Seen It Before

Will Blalock met Chris Driscoll at a street-ball tournament after Blalock’s sophomore year of high school. Driscoll introduced himself as someone who ran a charity for at-risk athletes. Blalock did not think much of the encounter until a secretary at his high school called him soon after to say Driscoll wanted his phone number. Blalock told her to pass it along.

Thus began a relationship that would define and perhaps undo Blalock’s basketball career. Long before Nerlens Noel, Blalock embodied some of the same qualities — an elite player for B.A.B.C. who was considered one of the country’s top 100 prospects. Blalock struggled academically but drew interest from a number of major college teams. Blalock grew close to Driscoll, who steered him to Notre Dame Prep, 60 miles outside Boston, to help with his grades and eventually took over his recruiting process.

Blalock said programs like Memphis, U.C.L.A and Pittsburgh were interested in him. He said he liked Connecticut best, however, as it was close to home and he wanted to play for a coach like Jim Calhoun.

But when it came time to choose a college team in 2003, Blalock listened to Driscoll and went to Iowa State, then enjoying success under Coach Larry Eustachy. Nearly a decade later, Blalock regrets the decision.

“When I was 16 or 17, I might have said he’s helping me out,” Blalock said. “But at 28, he may have hurt me more than he helped me. I know what kind of guy he is now. He burns a lot of bridges.”

Blalock said he believed that Driscoll sold him to Iowa State, although he stressed he had no proof. When Iowa State fired Eustachy in the spring of 2003, Blalock said, Driscoll instructed him to call the athletic director, Bruce Van De Velde, and say he would attend another university unless Iowa State hired the assistant Wayne Morgan as Eustachy’s replacement. Morgan was hired, Blalock kept his commitment and Blalock said Driscoll visited Ames about four times a season. (A spokesman at Hofstra, where Morgan now works as an assistant, said Morgan could not be reached for comment.)

“I don’t like to live with regret, but every now and then, I do regret going there,” Blalock said. “When it was time to make my decision with the N.B.A., even though my numbers were better than the guys in my class at point guard, all of them went to bigger-name schools and got picked ahead of me.”

Blalock, who left Iowa State after his junior season, also said Driscoll guided him to an agent he did not want to sign with, the Boston-based Frank Catapano.

Blalock was the final pick of the second round of the 2006 draft. He has played just 14 N.B.A. games and may never play another after having a stroke a few years ago. He is currently attempting a comeback with the Reno Bighorns of the N.B.A.’s Development League.

During Blalock’s time in the N.B.A., he said, Driscoll helped to pay his bills after Blalock gave him restricted access to his bank account. Blalock said he was not angry at the thought that Driscoll had made money off him as much as was angry that the money he believed Driscoll made from steering him to Iowa State had not been shared with him and his family.

“We never got nothing from him,” Blalock said. “There were times I’d have to ask drug dealers in my neighborhood to get a plane ticket home from college.”

Blalock said he stopped talking with Driscoll after he pushed him to sign with Catapano. Catapano denied paying to get Blalock as a client and said that he had never received a fee from Blalock for getting him a guaranteed rookie contract, the only one of his career. Catapano said he donated money to MARA years later when Driscoll asked, but only a small amount.

“I can tell you unequivocally that Chris Driscoll did not get anything from me because I signed Will Blalock,” Catapano said. “I’m not one of the whores that chases after the kids in college. I don’t take care of kids in high school.”

The Unmistakable

Influence of Agents

Agents have become an indelible part of college sports in the last two decades, with so-called runners, who do not have formal ties to agencies, given the awkward job of growing close to top teenage players like Noel or the people around them. Although the N.C.A.A. has tried to create rules to inhibit agents’ access to high school players, the presence of agents and financial planners aiming to align themselves with top prospects has become commonplace.

The involvement of agents at the high school level has become so sophisticated, the notion that schools and boosters pay for players to join their teams has become somewhat antiquated. It is more common now for agents to cut a deal with people associated with a player and find a school that will protect him from other agents. In some cases, an agent will offer a high school player to a college in exchange for signing one of the talented players who is ready to leave and enter the draft.

Agents also carefully and discreetly try to influence people who have the ear of top prospects. Papile, the coach of the Boston summer team, said he had received calls from about eight agents regarding Noel, with many of their questions related to when he would decide to become a professional. Noel, who was originally expected to graduate from high school next year, announced last month that he would attempt to graduate this spring.

If he does not qualify academically for college, he could spend a year playing professionally in Europe.

For George Wright-Easy, an unassigned teacher at Everett High School, he saw the interest of agents in Noel up close more than a year ago while at a trendy Boston nightclub called Rumor. A mutual friend introduced Wright-Easy to Ty Sullivan, a low-level agent for Creative Artists Agency, which represents star athletes and actors like Will Smith.

Wright-Easy is the half-brother of a former Penn State tailback, Omar Easy, and Sullivan immediately began dropping the names of former Nittany Lions standouts into conversation, along with basketball stars like James.

Sullivan eventually said, “Your guy is going to be the truth.”

A confused Wright-Easy asked, “Who?” When Sullivan said, “Nerlens,” Wright-Easy responded indignantly, “Man, he’s like 15 years old.”

Wright-Easy said that he did not consider Sullivan a threat to Noel. A low-level agent like Sullivan, who handles mostly players in the European and development leagues, is unlikely to land a potential big name like Noel. And he is probably one of many agents and their associates who are trying to become involved with Noel’s recruitment.

When reached on his cellphone, Sullivan acknowledged following Noel but denied any relationship with him. (Papile, who spoke with Sullivan at one of Noel’s games, said that Sullivan also denied any affiliation with Driscoll).

Whether Sullivan or C.A.A., which also represents Kentucky Coach John Calipari, will become a significant factor in Noel’s agent recruitment is not known. But Sullivan’s presence and attempt to ingratiate himself with someone close to Noel is illustrative of the increasing presence of agents at the high school level.

“Going to a local high school game is, you know, I don’t think is a problem,” Sullivan said. He declined further comment.

A Venerable School

Turned Powerhouse

With its looming oak trees, elegant brick buildings and a history dating to 1845, the campus of Tilton School exudes the serenity of Norman Rockwell’s New England. But the last few months have been anything but tranquil for Tilton, which has a reputation for sending students to well-regarded universities in the Northeast and elsewhere.

Tilton has also become a national power in basketball, and Chris Driscoll is one of the people most responsible. Seven players on Tilton’s roster this season are from B.A.B.C. and he had steered several prominent players there in previous years.

For a time, the relationship between Tilton and Driscoll was mutually beneficial. The players that Driscoll steered to Tilton used their time at the school to qualify academically so they could play for the colleges of their choice. They also helped Tilton become an increasingly powerful basketball school nationally. Before, Tilton had been a middling performer on the prep school level. Now, while still mainly playing other schools in New England, Tilton has become a recognized team around the country.

It was not until Noel arrived that O’Neil, Tilton’s coach, and others at the school began to feel uncomfortable with the association.

Noel originally entered Tilton to repeat his sophomore year. (He had cracked a growth plate in his knee while warming up for a game with Everett.) After his knee healed and he became a coveted prospect, Noel decided to try to graduate from Tilton this year instead of in 2013. Tilton was annoyed by the decision, but Noel stuck to it and remained at the school for what will be his final high school season.

For his part, Driscoll is no longer welcome at the school.

Tilton’s headmaster, Jim Clements, declined to comment directly on Driscoll, whose son, Jeremy, attended Tilton as a postgraduate. But he did say it was his first time in his 14 years on campus that he had barred anyone from the school because of a relationship to an athlete. Still, Driscoll has maintained contact with Noel and acted as a liaison to college recruiters and some members of the news media about his recruitment.

O’Neil — who arrived at Tilton in 2004, works as a college counselor at the school and has a master’s degree in social work — stressed that school policy prevented him from speaking directly about Noel.

“I don’t think his primary focus is a student’s well-being,” O’Neil said of Driscoll.

From a basketball standpoint, Noel is considered raw offensively. He is not comfortable playing with his back to the basket and, at 215 pounds, the lanky Noel still seems a long way from being able to handle the physicality of the N.B.A. Still, it is believed he can make an immediate and significant defensive impact on the college level. Noel’s unusual skill set makes it difficult to compare him to another player, though some mention the former N.B.A. All-Star Shawn Kemp when discussing Noel.

Until this weekend, when Noel is scheduled to go on an official visit to Georgetown, he has had to pay for his visits to college campuses. He flew to Kentucky and Louisville on separate unofficial trips that Randolph and Wright-Easy said Noel’s father paid for. Clements said the school had had extensive discussions with Noel and his mother about the difference between official and unofficial visits and how to “not engage in behavior that would create a violation” of N.C.A.A. rules.

Papile said he considered this a lost year for Noel in terms of his basketball development.

“In my opinion, he’s given up this year because of bad advice,” Papile said.

In a recent game, Noel wore pink shoes, played out of position at point guard for long stretches and seemed to complain to the referees more than talk to his teammates. He rarely attempted to score inside.

For some who have watched him for a long time, Noel’s game seems to have stagnated, perhaps an outward sign of how the atmosphere surrounding his recruitment has affected him.

“The risk to him is that through poor choices on his part or his family’s part,” Clements said, “he would jeopardize the potential to participate in a college program with integrity and that would be of concern were that to be the case.”

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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby bcmurph on Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:56 am

I need another shower...
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby joeyfenn on Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:30 pm

ALJ was hanging out with Nerlens yesterday if that means anything. found that out on the beautiful machine called twitter
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby cvilleagle on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:05 am

joeyfenn wrote:ALJ was hanging out with Nerlens yesterday if that means anything. found that out on the beautiful machine called twitter

In my book, that means Noel to BC CONFIRMED
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby claver2010 on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:43 pm

Apparently he's down to 3 schools: Cuse, GTown & Kentucky

Several thoughts:
After reading the NYT article on him, I wouldn't touch him with a 10' pole if I were Cuse. They already have some vultures circling between the molesting case, the failed drug test issues, & Fab Melo's constant change in eligibility
Thinking about it over the years, GTown must have absolutely zero standards when it comes to basketball players.
He seems like a perfect fit for Calipari

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=1079

Three remain in the chase for Nerlens Noel
March, 19, 2012
By Dave Telep

Nerlens Noel (Everett, Mass./Tilton), the nation’s top overall recruit and best defensive player, has trimmed his list.

“I cut it a little bit today,” Noel said Sunday night. “I took North Carolina off. I didn’t want to delay the process.” A potential March 19 visit to UNC isn’t happening. While Georgetown, Syracuse and Kentucky – Noel’s final three – have been with him a long time, the Tar Heels tried to make a run at him following his reclassification. Turns out it was too late. Connecticut was also trimmed from the final list.

“I think I’m getting close,” Noel said. “I think after my mom talks to coaches and Kentucky does an in-home visit. Then Syracuse is on Wednesday and my mom already met with Georgetown when she went with me on my visit.”

Each of the three remaining schools has a different angle with which to approach the shot-swatter. The Wildcats, well, they could be four games away from replacing probably No. 1 NBA Draft pick Anthony Davis.

“I don’t like to think like I’m replacing somebody,” Noel said. “I want to go in there and play my own game. I don’t want to replace him and I know we’re similar but I want to go in there and do my own thing.

“Kentucky, when I was there they showed me how good of a job they do with their players and that maybe in 1-2 years in college I could be a professional.”

Then there’s Syracuse. Noel’s always been fond of the Orange. “Syracuse has a great tradition. Whenever I go there it’s a family thing and I like (Jim) Boeheim and (Mike) Hopkins a lot. Playing with Mike Carter-Williams again would be real good. They do a great job of explaining the place.”

The Hoyas' past is not easily lost on Noel. Some of the game's great shot-blockers roamed the lane under the watchful eye of two generations of Thompsons. From Patrick Ewing all the way through Roy Hibbert, the Hoyas have always loved having an anchor in the middle.

“Georgetown really showed me what they’re about. I watched video about how they utilized their big men and I can pass the ball and get assists in that system.”
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Re: Nerlens Noel Rclassifies to 2012

Postby HJS on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:54 am

He's going to pick GTown and there is going to be eleventy billion stories about a superstar kid from Mass going to DC to play for Thomson and turn Georgetown into a powerhouse.
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