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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BuffaloEagle on Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:45 pm

Great to see another win! I still feel like Clifford could be more aggressive down low, especially when there's only one man on him, but he played great. Daniels is also getting better with every game IMO. Anderson played extremely well on the boards today too. Humphrey had some very bad moments, but on the whole I think he did more good than bad.

I was very impressed with how easily we broke the press at the end. Just needed a few more buckets there. Let VT make it look MUCH closer than it was.

I hated Heckmann today. Thought he was outplayed by Odio. If he's gonna be given minutes he should be given the ball with an open shot or a clear lane to the basket.

Cahill looked like he separated/dislocated his right shoulder in the first. Came out for the alma mater with a huge sling.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby missoulaEagle on Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:49 pm

Shaddix wrote:
missoulaEagle wrote:Solid win today; good games from the starters with good contributions from Moton. I hadn't realized Heckmann was having back problems; might explain some things. Nicely done Eagles!

Any word on Cahill's shoulder?


Heckmann is having back problems? Interesting. Where did you hear this?


TV Commentator; suggested that he was really only seeing court time because his mother was in from Germany??
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby eepstein0 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:01 pm

Didn't play our best but another good win.

NCST on the road on Thursday Night will be a good test to see where this team is at.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby Shaddix on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:01 pm

BuffaloEagle wrote:Great to see another win! I still feel like Clifford could be more aggressive down low, especially when there's only one man on him, but he played great. Daniels is also getting better with every game IMO. Anderson played extremely well on the boards today too. Humphrey had some very bad moments, but on the whole I think he did more good than bad.

I was very impressed with how easily we broke the press at the end. Just needed a few more buckets there. Let VT make it look MUCH closer than it was.

I hated Heckmann today. Thought he was outplayed by Odio. If he's gonna be given minutes he should be given the ball with an open shot or a clear lane to the basket.

Cahill looked like he separated/dislocated his right shoulder in the first. Came out for the alma mater with a huge sling.


Odio really looks like a true freshman out there. Passing up decent looks, looking uncomfortable, not taking advantage of any opportunities.

He is still in first gear, while Daniels, Jackson, Clifford, Anderson seem to be in like third gear.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BuffaloEagle on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:08 pm

Shaddix wrote:
BuffaloEagle wrote:Great to see another win! I still feel like Clifford could be more aggressive down low, especially when there's only one man on him, but he played great. Daniels is also getting better with every game IMO. Anderson played extremely well on the boards today too. Humphrey had some very bad moments, but on the whole I think he did more good than bad.

I was very impressed with how easily we broke the press at the end. Just needed a few more buckets there. Let VT make it look MUCH closer than it was.

I hated Heckmann today. Thought he was outplayed by Odio. If he's gonna be given minutes he should be given the ball with an open shot or a clear lane to the basket.

Cahill looked like he separated/dislocated his right shoulder in the first. Came out for the alma mater with a huge sling.


Odio really looks like a true freshman out there. Passing up decent looks, looking uncomfortable, not taking advantage of any opportunities.

He is still in first gear, while Daniels, Jackson, Clifford, Anderson seem to be in like third gear.


I don't disagree with you, but read what I actually said eh? I still think he outplayed Heckmann.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby Shaddix on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:12 pm

BuffaloEagle wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
BuffaloEagle wrote:Great to see another win! I still feel like Clifford could be more aggressive down low, especially when there's only one man on him, but he played great. Daniels is also getting better with every game IMO. Anderson played extremely well on the boards today too. Humphrey had some very bad moments, but on the whole I think he did more good than bad.

I was very impressed with how easily we broke the press at the end. Just needed a few more buckets there. Let VT make it look MUCH closer than it was.

I hated Heckmann today. Thought he was outplayed by Odio. If he's gonna be given minutes he should be given the ball with an open shot or a clear lane to the basket.

Cahill looked like he separated/dislocated his right shoulder in the first. Came out for the alma mater with a huge sling.


Odio really looks like a true freshman out there. Passing up decent looks, looking uncomfortable, not taking advantage of any opportunities.

He is still in first gear, while Daniels, Jackson, Clifford, Anderson seem to be in like third gear.


I don't disagree with you, but read what I actually said eh? I still think he outplayed Heckmann.


No I understand, I was just adding my personal input on Odio. I agree with what you originally said.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BCEagles25 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:25 pm

Heckmann has back problems. This is THE game he wanted to show up for, believe me. If he was well, he would've done much better.
Odio's only problem is that he's a bit nervous. He's athletic, works hard, and if he plays more, he will be a steal for Donahue.
Daniels, Jackson, Anderson, Humphrey and Clifford are very clearly the five best players right now. Heckmann makes that 6 legitimate ACC players when he's healthy.
Liked what I saw out of Moton. He's improving dramatically.
KC Caudill looked very good out there rebounding.
Lonnie Jackson is the best player on the floor. When he's not scoring, he's setting others up to score. He has an unreal IQ for the game. Ray Allen Jr.
Matt Humphrey, with the exception of one or two bad shots, made the game for us tonight. Tied with a few others for a game-high 8 rebounds. Made some smart choices.

And what can I say about Steve Donahue? He's looking like the ACC's best coach not named "Roy" or "Coach K". He brings so much fire to the team, he recruits hard workers with hidden talent, and he brings out the four-five star recruits within the two and three stars he signs. Moreover, he does what Spaziani, and sometimes Skinner, could NOT do... Adjusting the gameplan to put his players in the best position to win.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby eepstein0 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:39 pm

Roy Williams sucks as a coach. He just gets 5 star recruits.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BCEagles25 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:57 pm

eepstein0 wrote:Roy Williams sucks as a coach. He just gets 5 star recruits.


Roy Williams is an okay in-game coach. "Sucks" is dramatic.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby dixieagle on Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:20 pm

So glad to see this "W". Progress is what this year is about, and it seems that we're seeing some of that. I'm liking Donahue; the man actually coaches.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby eepstein0 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:24 pm

BCEagles25 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:Roy Williams sucks as a coach. He just gets 5 star recruits.


Roy Williams is an okay in-game coach. "Sucks" is dramatic.


He completely sucks.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby Ahzeem on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:15 am

bcnyceagle wrote:How did a team that looked like it was going to get blown out in every ACC game go 2-1 in its first 3 games?

ahhhhhh there is the question? :geek:

yal starting to beleive yet? They are gonna do some dumb stuff but these kids can all play. All of them!

The core of this team was Nike's 2008 freshman Elite team. They were fully sponsered and played every tournment played across the country that year lost the final at the buzzer. They played all the top players and teams... they beat all these guys (the freshman). KC Cahill was the center for that team now the have Clifford

The Don is strickly playing matchups, that's why all the lineup changes. He is going to put a squad on the court with a gameplan to stifle his opponent each night. The help defense these kids are playing is unbeleivable... did you see Heckman pick that lob out of the air... they are really watching each others backs.

He got the tools he needed to be able to compete in the ACC and he got some goooood tools. They all need to get stronger best weight lifting I ever did was out on the court banging. ...of course ya have ta be able to see the forest despite all the trees.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BCEagles25 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:52 am

Ahzeem wrote:
bcnyceagle wrote:How did a team that looked like it was going to get blown out in every ACC game go 2-1 in its first 3 games?

ahhhhhh there is the question? :geek:

yal starting to beleive yet? They are gonna do some dumb stuff but these kids can all play. All of them!

The core of this team was Nike's 2008 freshman Elite team. They were fully sponsered and played every tournment played across the country that year lost the final at the buzzer. They played all the top players and teams... they beat all these guys (the freshman). KC Cahill was the center for that team now the have Clifford

The Don is strickly playing matchups, that's why all the lineup changes. He is going to put a squad on the court with a gameplan to stifle his opponent each night. The help defense these kids are playing is unbeleivable... did you see Heckman pick that lob out of the air... they are really watching each others backs.

He got the tools he needed to be able to compete in the ACC and he got some goooood tools. They all need to get stronger best weight lifting I ever did was out on the court banging. ...of course ya have ta be able to see the forest despite all the trees.


I like this post... but.. um... were you drunk?
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby EagleDave on Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:27 am

I grossly underrated the annual crapiness of Virginia Tech when I said BC would lose this game. BC thoroughly outplayed them in the second half. 5 or 6 ACC wins might be realistic at this point, which would be nothing short of a miracle based on what we thought early on.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby DuchesneEast on Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:41 am

Ahzeem wrote:
bcnyceagle wrote:How did a team that looked like it was going to get blown out in every ACC game go 2-1 in its first 3 games?

ahhhhhh there is the question? :geek:

yal starting to beleive yet? They are gonna do some dumb stuff but these kids can all play. All of them!

The core of this team was Nike's 2008 freshman Elite team. They were fully sponsered and played every tournment played across the country that year lost the final at the buzzer. They played all the top players and teams... they beat all these guys (the freshman). KC Cahill was the center for that team now the have Clifford

The Don is strickly playing matchups, that's why all the lineup changes. He is going to put a squad on the court with a gameplan to stifle his opponent each night. The help defense these kids are playing is unbeleivable... did you see Heckman pick that lob out of the air... they are really watching each others backs.

He got the tools he needed to be able to compete in the ACC and he got some goooood tools. They all need to get stronger best weight lifting I ever did was out on the court banging. ...of course ya have ta be able to see the forest despite all the trees.


Wait, we have a coach that schemes for teams and is flexible? Things are changing in the Heights.

I am suprised at the last 2 wins, after some of the early games I had no faith in us winning ant ACC games. Good to see we wont be an embaressment in league play. The local losses still sting but hopefully the Don can you this to recruit.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:35 am

DuchesneEast wrote:
Ahzeem wrote:
bcnyceagle wrote:How did a team that looked like it was going to get blown out in every ACC game go 2-1 in its first 3 games?

ahhhhhh there is the question? :geek:

yal starting to beleive yet? They are gonna do some dumb stuff but these kids can all play. All of them!

The core of this team was Nike's 2008 freshman Elite team. They were fully sponsered and played every tournment played across the country that year lost the final at the buzzer. They played all the top players and teams... they beat all these guys (the freshman). KC Cahill was the center for that team now the have Clifford

The Don is strickly playing matchups, that's why all the lineup changes. He is going to put a squad on the court with a gameplan to stifle his opponent each night. The help defense these kids are playing is unbeleivable... did you see Heckman pick that lob out of the air... they are really watching each others backs.

He got the tools he needed to be able to compete in the ACC and he got some goooood tools. They all need to get stronger best weight lifting I ever did was out on the court banging. ...of course ya have ta be able to see the forest despite all the trees.


Wait, we have a coach that schemes for teams and is flexible? Things are changing in the Heights.

I am suprised at the last 2 wins, after some of the early games I had no faith in us winning ant ACC games. Good to see we wont be an embaressment in league play. The local losses still sting but hopefully the Don can you this to recruit.


This is a different team than the one losing to UMass by 40.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby Shaddix on Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:42 am

Can someone tell me how Jeff Bzdelik even got the Wake job in the first place? Not only is he a terrible coach, but he has had like 0 success in his coaching career.

I will be the first one to tell you that Carson Desroises wasn't supposed to be in the ESPN top 100, but fact is he is 7 feet and can shoot the 3 pretty consistently. How has he not improved since his freshman year?
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby MilitantEagle on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:10 pm

Biko Paris was in attendance yesterday.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:20 pm

Shaddix wrote:Can someone tell me how Jeff Bzdelik even got the Wake job in the first place? Not only is he a terrible coach, but he has had like 0 success in his coaching career.

I will be the first one to tell you that Carson Desroises wasn't supposed to be in the ESPN top 100, but fact is he is 7 feet and can shoot the 3 pretty consistently. How has he not improved since his freshman year?


Wait until Herb Sendek takes top 5 recruiting classes to the NIT. You'll feel the same way!
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BCEagles25 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:34 pm

Jeff Bzdelik is the worst coach in the ACC, and it was even obvious last year. I didn't personally feel that Brownell was any better. Brownell shows poor body language and bitches too much... and Bzdelik doesn't even run an offense.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby Ahzeem on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:41 pm

BCEagles25 wrote:
Ahzeem wrote:
bcnyceagle wrote:How did a team that looked like it was going to get blown out in every ACC game go 2-1 in its first 3 games?

ahhhhhh there is the question? :geek:

yal starting to beleive yet? They are gonna do some dumb stuff but these kids can all play. All of them!

The core of this team was Nike's 2008 freshman Elite team. They were fully sponsered and played every tournment played across the country that year lost the final at the buzzer. They played all the top players and teams... they beat all these guys (the freshman). KC Cahill was the center for that team now the have Clifford

The Don is strickly playing matchups, that's why all the lineup changes. He is going to put a squad on the court with a gameplan to stifle his opponent each night. The help defense these kids are playing is unbeleivable... did you see Heckman pick that lob out of the air... they are really watching each others backs.

He got the tools he needed to be able to compete in the ACC and he got some goooood tools. They all need to get stronger best weight lifting I ever did was out on the court banging. ...of course ya have ta be able to see the forest despite all the trees.


I like this post... but.. um... were you drunk?

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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:53 pm

BCEagles25 wrote:Jeff Bzdelik is the worst coach in the ACC, and it was even obvious last year. I didn't personally feel that Brownell was any better. Brownell shows poor body language and bitches too much... and Bzdelik doesn't even run an offense.


Disagree. Brownell can coach.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby Shaddix on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:01 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
BCEagles25 wrote:Jeff Bzdelik is the worst coach in the ACC, and it was even obvious last year. I didn't personally feel that Brownell was any better. Brownell shows poor body language and bitches too much... and Bzdelik doesn't even run an offense.


Disagree. Brownell can coach.


Ya, I like Brownell, he did fairly well with what he had last year leading to the tourney.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BCEagles25 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:17 pm

Brownell did fairly well last year, but he really hasn't taken advantage of his talent this year, and doesn't show positive or confident body language coaching during the game. The jury is still out at this point, and I could very well end up being wrong, but I don't think he's anything special.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby BCEagles25 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:18 pm

Brownell did fairly well last year, but he really hasn't taken advantage of his talent this year, and doesn't show positive or confident body language coaching during the game. The jury is still out at this point, and I could very well end up being wrong, but I don't think he's anything special.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby Ahzeem on Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:01 am

DuchesneEast wrote:
Ahzeem wrote:
bcnyceagle wrote:How did a team that looked like it was going to get blown out in every ACC game go 2-1 in its first 3 games?

ahhhhhh there is the question? :geek:

yal starting to beleive yet? They are gonna do some dumb stuff but these kids can all play. All of them!

The core of this team was Nike's 2008 freshman Elite team. They were fully sponsered and played every tournment played across the country that year lost the final at the buzzer. They played all the top players and teams... they beat all these guys (the freshman). KC Cahill was the center for that team now the have Clifford

The Don is strickly playing matchups, that's why all the lineup changes. He is going to put a squad on the court with a gameplan to stifle his opponent each night. The help defense these kids are playing is unbeleivable... did you see Heckman pick that lob out of the air... they are really watching each others backs.

He got the tools he needed to be able to compete in the ACC and he got some goooood tools. They all need to get stronger best weight lifting I ever did was out on the court banging. ...of course ya have ta be able to see the forest despite all the trees.


Wait, we have a coach that schemes for teams and is flexible? Things are changing in the Heights.

I am suprised at the last 2 wins, after some of the early games I had no faith in us winning ant ACC games. Good to see we wont be an embaressment in league play. The local losses still sting but hopefully the Don can you this to recruit.

I have a feeling that before long BC will be the talk of the league… if they can take NC St. they won’t be able to fly below the radar any longer…

Here is the problem I see with all these players from out of state... They just don't understand that losing to anyone from Mass is just unacceptable. :cheer
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby RedBaron67 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:00 am

I don't like to rain on the parade, but BC did have some luck getting two early home games against weak opponents (VT without Green being probably at least as weak as Clemson). After the home game against Wake the schedule gets quite a bit tougher. It was a relief to get those two wins, but if BC can improve enough to finish the conference schedule with more than four wins, then we can get seriously excited about next season.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby eagle9903 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:39 am

RedBaron67 wrote:I don't like to rain on the parade, but BC did have some luck getting two early home games against weak opponents (VT without Green being probably at least as weak as Clemson). After the home game against Wake the schedule gets quite a bit tougher. It was a relief to get those two wins, but if BC can improve enough to finish the conference schedule with more than four wins, then we can get seriously excited about next season.


Three weeks ago, some posters were adamant that this team wouldn't win an ACC game. They said this unequivocally, not taking into account the possibility of things like injuries, our guys playing up to the level of competition, the possibility of improvement, etc.

I am not in camp Azheem, although I do appreciate his loony optimism and hope he is correct. However, the ACC is not exactly firing at all cylinders and this team did just finish(albeit ugly at the end) two close wins, so i'm pretty optimistic for some nice wins going forward. They look very different to me than the team did even in late December, nevermind how different this team looks than the one who played PSU and Holy Cross. This is not all development and gelling either. The shortened rotation and different minute and role allocations are a big part of this, I think. Some posters were saying that Donahue wasn't really trying to win in the first ten(ish) games, and I think I'm pretty fully on board with that position at this point. I think there was a lot of tinkering with lineups, matchups and general getting to know the personnel.

Anyway, which part of Wake(twice), Miami(twice), GT(twice), VT again seems like a tough schedule at this point? Because that's 7/13 next games. I'm not saying they will win them all, hell I could still see some major bumps down the stretch. But I also don't concede that they will lose to NC State, Duke, Maryland or FSU.

This should be fun to watch. NC State on Thursday has the potential to be a bit of a let down, but I am optimistic that they get to three in a row, and then some really fun stuff could happen.
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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby claver2010 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:13 am

Ahzeem wrote:
BCEagles25 wrote:
Ahzeem wrote:
bcnyceagle wrote:How did a team that looked like it was going to get blown out in every ACC game go 2-1 in its first 3 games?

ahhhhhh there is the question? :geek:

yal starting to beleive yet? They are gonna do some dumb stuff but these kids can all play. All of them!

The core of this team was Nike's 2008 freshman Elite team. They were fully sponsered and played every tournment played across the country that year lost the final at the buzzer. They played all the top players and teams... they beat all these guys (the freshman). KC Cahill was the center for that team now the have Clifford

The Don is strickly playing matchups, that's why all the lineup changes. He is going to put a squad on the court with a gameplan to stifle his opponent each night. The help defense these kids are playing is unbeleivable... did you see Heckman pick that lob out of the air... they are really watching each others backs.

He got the tools he needed to be able to compete in the ACC and he got some goooood tools. They all need to get stronger best weight lifting I ever did was out on the court banging. ...of course ya have ta be able to see the forest despite all the trees.


I like this post... but.. um... were you drunk?

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Re: VT @ Eagles 3:00 PM on NESN

Postby RedBaron67 on Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:20 am

eagle9903 wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:I don't like to rain on the parade, but BC did have some luck getting two early home games against weak opponents (VT without Green being probably at least as weak as Clemson). After the home game against Wake the schedule gets quite a bit tougher. It was a relief to get those two wins, but if BC can improve enough to finish the conference schedule with more than four wins, then we can get seriously excited about next season.


Three weeks ago, some posters were adamant that this team wouldn't win an ACC game. They said this unequivocally, not taking into account the possibility of things like injuries, our guys playing up to the level of competition, the possibility of improvement, etc.

I am not in camp Azheem, although I do appreciate his loony optimism and hope he is correct. However, the ACC is not exactly firing at all cylinders and this team did just finish(albeit ugly at the end) two close wins, so i'm pretty optimistic for some nice wins going forward. They look very different to me than the team did even in late December, nevermind how different this team looks than the one who played PSU and Holy Cross. This is not all development and gelling either. The shortened rotation and different minute and role allocations are a big part of this, I think. Some posters were saying that Donahue wasn't really trying to win in the first ten(ish) games, and I think I'm pretty fully on board with that position at this point. I think there was a lot of tinkering with lineups, matchups and general getting to know the personnel.

Anyway, which part of Wake(twice), Miami(twice), GT(twice), VT again seems like a tough schedule at this point? Because that's 7/13 next games. I'm not saying they will win them all, hell I could still see some major bumps down the stretch. But I also don't concede that they will lose to NC State, Duke, Maryland or FSU.

This should be fun to watch. NC State on Thursday has the potential to be a bit of a let down, but I am optimistic that they get to three in a row, and then some really fun stuff could happen.


I'd be delighted if you were right, but I think you're straining the edges of possibility. Three weeks ago, BC didn't look as if it could win an ACC game. The team's performance rose rather sharply, and they pulled out two close home games against two of their three most vulnerable conference rivals. The scenario you're suggesting requires that the team keep improving at the same pace, which I think is a real stretch. As it is, I'm nervous about Wake next Saturday because the TV gods have screwed us with a really rotten schedule -- NC State at 8 PM on Thursday in Raleigh, Wake at noon on Saturday up here. As things stand, I think we have a reasonable shot at beating Wake and GT up here. If we could also beat Wake down there, there would be cause for optimism about next season; if we could do more than that, it would be time to pop the champagne corks and hail Donahue as a miracle worker. Remember, those two wins were AT HOME -- winning conference games on the road is a different matter. If they keep improving the way they have been, it can be done, but I think you're overoptimistic about that happening -- which doesn't prevent me from hoping that you're right and I'm wrong.
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