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Re: URI

Postby RedBaron67 on Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:51 pm

Cadillac90 wrote:
MattTheEagle wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:Individual stats are beside the point. BC is last in the ACC in points per game (300th in D-1), rebounds per game (309th in D-1), and field goal percentage (246th in D-1). I can't find any ranked listing of opponents' averages, but I suspect the numbers there are about as bad (and the horrors of the conference season are just about to begin). One expects freshmen to have growing pains, but this team's performance to date has been extremely poor. Without a steep improvement curve (and the general trend of recruiting doesn't make me optimistic in this regard), Donahue will be gone by 2014 at the latest.

It seems like half this board is treating BC basketball like :titanic . I wouldn't worry too much. Pretty much all of our guys are straight out of high school. They need time to develop. They have hardly even been through Donahue's off-season conditioning and practice regimen. By 2014 we should be really really good. Our freshman are getting tons of early experience. And I know people don't like looking for positives but there are tons of them with this group of players. For once, we have a legit 7' who has the potential to become the best center BC has ever had. I know there were a lot of dislikes from URI, but there were definitely a few positives, particularly with Anderson who looked to play with a ton of poise for the first time all year. We aren't going for wins this year, if we were, we wouldn't be playing Cahill. But he helps bring the much-needed leadership to the floor, which is intended to improve our players long-term development. And for those still complaining about Cahill's minutes, we aren't going to win many games regardless of his minutes. He is gone next year anyways, which will be good because our freshman will finally have a year of experience under their belt. I don't think Humphrey is ever going to step up and help this team, but he will also be gone in two years.

I trust in the Don. :angrychicken


Some concern is warranted but it is still way too early to punt on this team. Definitely need to give them the rest of this year and a large part of next season to continue to develop before a real panic/dread settles in.


I'm not giving up on this team, but I'd like to see more incremental improvement, along with a greater sense of urgency. Anderson appears to be starting to come around, but Clifford is still too passive; he needs to pump up his aggressiveness as much as (maybe even more than) his weight and muscle. Of course they need time, but every one needs to understand that an AWFUL LOT of improvement is necessary to make this a respectable ACC team (although I suspect the upcoming conference season will take care of that). I"d agree that next year will be critical; if there isn't substantial improvement by around midseason, discontent will become much louder and more widespread.
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Re: URI

Postby BuffaloEagle on Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:27 pm

Ahzeem wrote:Frostbyte dude... :gun spare us... do you still have a wall mount phone? :laugh

Check the stats :hokie Each of our top 7 players are currently in the ESPN 2011-2012 Top 50 ACC in every catagory. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... me/group/2 ( yeah yeah I know, I know a couple of them are just outside the top 50 but still top 70) but sucks...? C'mon man...lol most of these guys are posting top 40 numbers in the ACC as true freshman and you want to smash on them and call them under achievers... ...let it go dude :whiteflag


When you lower your standards to "top-70" in the ACC, I question how impressive that is. There are 70 starters in the ACC.
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Re: URI

Postby BCEaglesFan on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:54 pm

RedBaron67 wrote:
Cadillac90 wrote:
MattTheEagle wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:Individual stats are beside the point. BC is last in the ACC in points per game (300th in D-1), rebounds per game (309th in D-1), and field goal percentage (246th in D-1). I can't find any ranked listing of opponents' averages, but I suspect the numbers there are about as bad (and the horrors of the conference season are just about to begin). One expects freshmen to have growing pains, but this team's performance to date has been extremely poor. Without a steep improvement curve (and the general trend of recruiting doesn't make me optimistic in this regard), Donahue will be gone by 2014 at the latest.

It seems like half this board is treating BC basketball like :titanic . I wouldn't worry too much. Pretty much all of our guys are straight out of high school. They need time to develop. They have hardly even been through Donahue's off-season conditioning and practice regimen. By 2014 we should be really really good. Our freshman are getting tons of early experience. And I know people don't like looking for positives but there are tons of them with this group of players. For once, we have a legit 7' who has the potential to become the best center BC has ever had. I know there were a lot of dislikes from URI, but there were definitely a few positives, particularly with Anderson who looked to play with a ton of poise for the first time all year. We aren't going for wins this year, if we were, we wouldn't be playing Cahill. But he helps bring the much-needed leadership to the floor, which is intended to improve our players long-term development. And for those still complaining about Cahill's minutes, we aren't going to win many games regardless of his minutes. He is gone next year anyways, which will be good because our freshman will finally have a year of experience under their belt. I don't think Humphrey is ever going to step up and help this team, but he will also be gone in two years.

I trust in the Don. :angrychicken


Some concern is warranted but it is still way too early to punt on this team. Definitely need to give them the rest of this year and a large part of next season to continue to develop before a real panic/dread settles in.


I'm not giving up on this team, but I'd like to see more incremental improvement, along with a greater sense of urgency. Anderson appears to be starting to come around, but Clifford is still too passive; he needs to pump up his aggressiveness as much as (maybe even more than) his weight and muscle. Of course they need time, but every one needs to understand that an AWFUL LOT of improvement is necessary to make this a respectable ACC team (although I suspect the upcoming conference season will take care of that). I"d agree that next year will be critical; if there isn't substantial improvement by around midseason, discontent will become much louder and more widespread.

Remember Wake was like this and while they aren't very good, they still are much better.
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Re: URI

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:03 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:
Cadillac90 wrote:
MattTheEagle wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:Individual stats are beside the point. BC is last in the ACC in points per game (300th in D-1), rebounds per game (309th in D-1), and field goal percentage (246th in D-1). I can't find any ranked listing of opponents' averages, but I suspect the numbers there are about as bad (and the horrors of the conference season are just about to begin). One expects freshmen to have growing pains, but this team's performance to date has been extremely poor. Without a steep improvement curve (and the general trend of recruiting doesn't make me optimistic in this regard), Donahue will be gone by 2014 at the latest.

It seems like half this board is treating BC basketball like :titanic . I wouldn't worry too much. Pretty much all of our guys are straight out of high school. They need time to develop. They have hardly even been through Donahue's off-season conditioning and practice regimen. By 2014 we should be really really good. Our freshman are getting tons of early experience. And I know people don't like looking for positives but there are tons of them with this group of players. For once, we have a legit 7' who has the potential to become the best center BC has ever had. I know there were a lot of dislikes from URI, but there were definitely a few positives, particularly with Anderson who looked to play with a ton of poise for the first time all year. We aren't going for wins this year, if we were, we wouldn't be playing Cahill. But he helps bring the much-needed leadership to the floor, which is intended to improve our players long-term development. And for those still complaining about Cahill's minutes, we aren't going to win many games regardless of his minutes. He is gone next year anyways, which will be good because our freshman will finally have a year of experience under their belt. I don't think Humphrey is ever going to step up and help this team, but he will also be gone in two years.

I trust in the Don. :angrychicken


Some concern is warranted but it is still way too early to punt on this team. Definitely need to give them the rest of this year and a large part of next season to continue to develop before a real panic/dread settles in.


I'm not giving up on this team, but I'd like to see more incremental improvement, along with a greater sense of urgency. Anderson appears to be starting to come around, but Clifford is still too passive; he needs to pump up his aggressiveness as much as (maybe even more than) his weight and muscle. Of course they need time, but every one needs to understand that an AWFUL LOT of improvement is necessary to make this a respectable ACC team (although I suspect the upcoming conference season will take care of that). I"d agree that next year will be critical; if there isn't substantial improvement by around midseason, discontent will become much louder and more widespread.

Remember Wake was like this and while they aren't very good, they still are much better.


The standards here are higher than the 2012 mediocre Wake team.
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Re: URI

Postby Ahzeem on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:29 am

BuffaloEagle wrote:
Ahzeem wrote:Frostbyte dude... :gun spare us... do you still have a wall mount phone? :laugh

Check the stats :hokie Each of our top 7 players are currently in the ESPN 2011-2012 Top 50 ACC in every catagory. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... me/group/2 ( yeah yeah I know, I know a couple of them are just outside the top 50 but still top 70) but sucks...? C'mon man...lol most of these guys are posting top 40 numbers in the ACC as true freshman and you want to smash on them and call them under achievers... ...let it go dude :whiteflag


When you lower your standards to "top-70" in the ACC, I question how impressive that is. There are 70 starters in the ACC.


..and 250 players in the ACC...and these Freshmen are all in the top 50 in all areas measured as freshmen... :titanic what do they need to do walk on water???
the numbers show they are better than 2/3's of the players in the league... they just have to work out the chemistry. What
i do know... These guys aren't responsible for the condition we are in... and they know nothing of the dramas of the past... they are here now and just ballin for BC
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Re: URI

Postby EagleNYC on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:29 am

Ahzeem wrote:
BuffaloEagle wrote:
Ahzeem wrote:Frostbyte dude... :gun spare us... do you still have a wall mount phone? :laugh

Check the stats :hokie Each of our top 7 players are currently in the ESPN 2011-2012 Top 50 ACC in every catagory. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... me/group/2 ( yeah yeah I know, I know a couple of them are just outside the top 50 but still top 70) but sucks...? C'mon man...lol most of these guys are posting top 40 numbers in the ACC as true freshman and you want to smash on them and call them under achievers... ...let it go dude :whiteflag


When you lower your standards to "top-70" in the ACC, I question how impressive that is. There are 70 starters in the ACC.


..and 250 players in the ACC...and these Freshmen are all in the top 50 in all areas measured as freshmen... :titanic what do they need to do walk on water???
the numbers show they are better than 2/3's of the players in the league... they just have to work out the chemistry. What
i do know... These guys aren't responsible for the condition we are in... and they know nothing of the dramas of the past... they are here now and just ballin for BC


First of all, I love your enthusiasm. It is necessary and important and not altogether unjustified. Second, the last part of your post is spot on: these guys didn't dig the hole; they're trying like hell to get us out.

As to your statistical analysis, I fear you are a sworn enemy of logic, and a person for whom the phrase "lie, damn lies, and statistics" would not resonate.
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