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2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Go home Teddy, you're drunk.

You guys want to watch him shoot 30 times and lead his team to a .389 winning percentage, I am sure Greece has a German-subsidized TV station.

You're so absurd. He attempted 15 shots a game this year. He can take 16-18 shots a game next year and provide a legitimate scoring option that takes pressure off of the new players so they aren't thrown to the wolves. A better record next year, with the small chance of a tournament appearance, only helps the recruiting efforts - which are plainly trending upward. Whoever said up above is right - there's no lottery pick for finishing DFL in the ACC next year.

The team doesn't get any better showcasing him as a PG for another season. Period. Don't care one way or the other if he comes back, but if he does not, kids that will be here for 4 more years will be taking shots.

Also, the idea that freshmen get thrown to the wolves is the most absurd thing here. If they can play as well as advertised, they will be fine.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Also, the idea that freshmen get thrown to the wolves is the most absurd thing here. If they can play as well as advertised, they will be fine.

Wrong. They aren't Tyus Jones, Justice Winslow and Okafor.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Also, the idea that freshmen get thrown to the wolves is the most absurd thing here. If they can play as well as advertised, they will be fine.

Wrong. They aren't Tyus Jones, Justice Winslow and Okafor.

Or Troy Bell or Craig Smith or Ty Rice or *** ******* or Olivier Hanlan.

Or Ryan Sidney or Jared Dudley.

Freshmen play all the time, and play well.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Go home Teddy, you're drunk.

You guys want to watch him shoot 30 times and lead his team to a .389 winning percentage, I am sure Greece has a German-subsidized TV station.

You're so absurd. He attempted 15 shots a game this year. He can take 16-18 shots a game next year and provide a legitimate scoring option that takes pressure off of the new players so they aren't thrown to the wolves. A better record next year, with the small chance of a tournament appearance, only helps the recruiting efforts - which are plainly trending upward. Whoever said up above is right - there's no lottery pick for finishing DFL in the ACC next year.

The team doesn't get any better showcasing him as a PG for another season. Period. Don't care one way or the other if he comes back, but if he does not, kids that will be here for 4 more years will be taking shots.

This is bat shit insane. They are better next year with him than without him. And his return avoids a wholesale bottoming out. You're only dumb sometimes, but when you are, you're impressively dumb.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Go home Teddy, you're drunk.

You guys want to watch him shoot 30 times and lead his team to a .389 winning percentage, I am sure Greece has a German-subsidized TV station.

You're so absurd. He attempted 15 shots a game this year. He can take 16-18 shots a game next year and provide a legitimate scoring option that takes pressure off of the new players so they aren't thrown to the wolves. A better record next year, with the small chance of a tournament appearance, only helps the recruiting efforts - which are plainly trending upward. Whoever said up above is right - there's no lottery pick for finishing DFL in the ACC next year.

The team doesn't get any better showcasing him as a PG for another season. Period. Don't care one way or the other if he comes back, but if he does not, kids that will be here for 4 more years will be taking shots.

This is bat shit insane. They are better next year with him than without him. And his return avoids a wholesale bottoming out. You're only dumb sometimes, but when you are, you're impressively dumb.

They are bad next year either way - they just aren't as bad if he stays. They are better the years following if he leaves and other guys get his shots next year. If they are going to stink, let's do it with the guys that will be around for a while and quit pretending that this team is remotely close to an NIT team with Olivier Hanlan.

Oh, and the point is not that they are better without him next season. The point is that I don't give a shit if he leaves because it doesn't make enough of a difference to make them a .500 team (as was pretty evident when he was here). I'd rather see the young guys get the shots, that is the only point. Hanlan will never be part of a good BC team whether he stays or not but hopefully these other guys will be.

With Davis and a 5th year they are an NIT team

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Go home Teddy, you're drunk.

You guys want to watch him shoot 30 times and lead his team to a .389 winning percentage, I am sure Greece has a German-subsidized TV station.

You're so absurd. He attempted 15 shots a game this year. He can take 16-18 shots a game next year and provide a legitimate scoring option that takes pressure off of the new players so they aren't thrown to the wolves. A better record next year, with the small chance of a tournament appearance, only helps the recruiting efforts - which are plainly trending upward. Whoever said up above is right - there's no lottery pick for finishing DFL in the ACC next year.

The team doesn't get any better showcasing him as a PG for another season. Period. Don't care one way or the other if he comes back, but if he does not, kids that will be here for 4 more years will be taking shots.

This is bat shit insane. They are better next year with him than without him. And his return avoids a wholesale bottoming out. You're only dumb sometimes, but when you are, you're impressively dumb.

i think he's saying that we will suck next year regardless of what continent hanlan is playing. his continued point is that without hanlan, the suck next year will be by players that are going to need to suck for a little while until they can learn how to suck less at the college level. the conclusion on this point is that this progression of suck to sucking less could be accelerated by hanlan not being there and could allow for a lot less sucky 2016/2017 and beyond.

without hanlan i think it's safe to say that next year this team sure will suck, moe. i mean, they'll just plain suck. sure, we've seen teams that suck before but they have the chance to be the suckiest bunch of sucks who ever sucked.

edit - teddy pretty much explained himself in exactly the same way but he didn't point out that they will suck because his damn weiner kids are listening

I think they are an NIT team in two years. They'll be closer to realizing that if the guys that are going to be here then are the ones getting the PT and taking the shots next season.

As ball dominant as he is, he's only one guy. The freshman will progress with or without Hanlan on the floor. Not sucking for the millionth year in a row could go a long way towards a good class in 2016

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Or Ryan Sidney or Jared Dudley.

As a freshman, Craig Smith had Bell averaging 25 points a game to open up the interior.

Dudley had Craig.

Sidney had Bell and scored 9 points a game.

*** ******* averaged 4 and 3, playing with Dudley and Smith.

Maybe Bell somewhat supports your assertion, but he was probably the best freshman to play basketball at BC in the last 20 years. If one of the new guys is this generation's Troy Bell, then sign me up, but that still doesn't mean that BC would be better off without Hanlan next year.

StratEagle {l Wrote}:As ball dominant as he is, he's only one guy. The freshman will progress with or without Hanlan on the floor. Not sucking for the millionth year in a row could go a long way towards a good class in 2016

They were going to suck next year regardless. But I realize that I am arguing with a bunch of people waiting for Clifford to heal.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Or Ryan Sidney or Jared Dudley.

As a freshman, Craig Smith had Bell averaging 25 points a game to open up the interior.

Dudley had Craig.

Sidney had Bell and scored 9 points a game.

*** ******* averaged 4 and 3, playing with Dudley and Smith.

Maybe Bell somewhat supports your assertion, but he was probably the best freshman to play basketball at BC in the last 20 years. If one of the new guys is this generation's Troy Bell, then sign me up, but that still doesn't mean that BC would be better off without Hanlan next year.

Ugh. Point is that I see no reason to beg Hanlan to come back to go 16-17 with Hanlan instead of 11-22 with the rooks.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

StratEagle {l Wrote}:As ball dominant as he is, he's only one guy. The freshman will progress with or without Hanlan on the floor. Not sucking for the millionth year in a row could go a long way towards a good class in 2016

They were going to suck next year regardless. But I realize that I am arguing with a bunch of people waiting for Clifford to heal.

Like I said, if they get Davis and a 5th year they will be pretty good. At least good enough for the NIT or a bubble chance

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

StratEagle {l Wrote}:As ball dominant as he is, he's only one guy. The freshman will progress with or without Hanlan on the floor. Not sucking for the millionth year in a row could go a long way towards a good class in 2016

They were going to suck next year regardless. But I realize that I am arguing with a bunch of people waiting for Clifford to heal.

he's not out of the woods yet... injuries to 7 footers take a long time to heal

but if he gets to 100%, look out

StratEagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

StratEagle {l Wrote}:As ball dominant as he is, he's only one guy. The freshman will progress with or without Hanlan on the floor. Not sucking for the millionth year in a row could go a long way towards a good class in 2016

They were going to suck next year regardless. But I realize that I am arguing with a bunch of people waiting for Clifford to heal.

Like I said, if they get Davis and a 5th year they will be pretty good. At least good enough for the NIT or a bubble chance

Don't agree. Davis comes and the freshman play next year, that happens the year after.

Hanlan
Milon
Turner
Davis
Diallo/Clifford

w/ Magarity, a 5th year, Owens/Hicks, Robinson is definitely a massive improvement over this season. Say we win 4-ish more games, then that's an NIT bid right there

StratEagle {l Wrote}:Hanlan
Milon
Turner
Davis
Diallo/Clifford

w/ Magarity, a 5th year, Owens/Hicks, Robinson is definitely a massive improvement over this season. Say we win 4-ish more games, then that's an NIT bid right there

I think that the 4 guys you have starting with Hanlan will be eventually be good players and will even contribute next season. I don't think that team is sniffing the NIT when they are all first year starters and Hanlan. I think the talent will be better next year, but the team is going to take a little time.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Or Ryan Sidney or Jared Dudley.

As a freshman, Craig Smith had Bell averaging 25 points a game to open up the interior.

Dudley had Craig.

Sidney had Bell and scored 9 points a game.

*** ******* averaged 4 and 3, playing with Dudley and Smith.

Maybe Bell somewhat supports your assertion, but he was probably the best freshman to play basketball at BC in the last 20 years. If one of the new guys is this generation's Troy Bell, then sign me up, but that still doesn't mean that BC would be better off without Hanlan next year.

Ugh. Point is that I see no reason to beg Hanlan to come back to go 16-17 with Hanlan instead of 11-22 with the rooks.

This is where we differ then. I think they could be mildly above 500 and on the bubble with Hanlan and players that can actually shoot and rebound around him. And I think those players will play better with Hanlan than without. I think 11-22 without Hanlan is generous.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Or Ryan Sidney or Jared Dudley.

As a freshman, Craig Smith had Bell averaging 25 points a game to open up the interior.

Dudley had Craig.

Sidney had Bell and scored 9 points a game.

*** ******* averaged 4 and 3, playing with Dudley and Smith.

Maybe Bell somewhat supports your assertion, but he was probably the best freshman to play basketball at BC in the last 20 years. If one of the new guys is this generation's Troy Bell, then sign me up, but that still doesn't mean that BC would be better off without Hanlan next year.

Ugh. Point is that I see no reason to beg Hanlan to come back to go 16-17 with Hanlan instead of 11-22 with the rooks.

This is where we differ then. I think they could be mildly above 500 and on the bubble with Hanlan and players that can actually shoot and rebound around him. And I think those players will play better with Hanlan than without. I think 11-22 without Hanlan is generous.

weren't you one of the dinks that thought jimmy mac's inaugural team was going to the nit as well? if so, that lets me know to stop paying attention to your predictions

Don't think so. But feel free to edit my posts as you see fit.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Don't think so. But feel free to edit my posts as you see fit.

nope - you were not one of those dinks. as you were...

This is insane. We saw how much Reggie Jackson leaving hurt us. The freshman that we brought in weren't ready, and we sucked. And once we sucked, we brought in recruits that sucked (besides Olivier). Losing Jackson certainly didn't help the progression of Lonnie Jackson and Jordan Daniels and the rest of the freshman class. They're graduating as the least successful class in the history of Boston College basketball.

I wish the best for Hanlan whatever he decides, but you're crazy if you believe Hanlan leaving doesn't hurt us. I'm not sold on JC, but I still think we are NIT bound with Hanlan. We just need at least one more scoring threat and I think we get that next year especially if we add Davis. The newcomers are still going to get plenty of playing time regardless.

Btw, the video with Hanlan, Hicks, and Owens is interesting. If Hicks is healthy, he might be decent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5waGWTO4w2I

I wouldn't put much stock in those clips. They show Owens making jump shots

They would have been a fringe NIT team, maybe as good as a bubble team with Hanlan and a 5th year.

10 wins is going to be an achievement without him. It's nice BC is finally getting some athletic bigs. Unfortunately, they have no clue what they're doing on offense. Next year is going to be Donahue Year 2. 30 and 40 point losses, putrid offense, etc. it at least would've been fun with Hanlan, it is going to blow without him. I think the staff is doing a great job recruiting, but this isn't Kentucky, and they're not going to be awesome as freshman.

TWB is right in that next year was a throw away either way, but to say they won't be significantly worse is insane.

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:They would have been a fringe NIT team, maybe as good as a bubble team with Hanlan and a 5th year.

10 wins is going to be an achievement without him. It's nice BC is finally getting some athletic bigs. Unfortunately, they have no clue what they're doing on offense. Next year is going to be Donahue Year 2. 30 and 40 point losses, putrid offense, etc. it at least would've been fun with Hanlan, it is going to blow without him. I think the staff is doing a great job recruiting, but this isn't Kentucky, and they're not going to be awesome as freshman.

TWB is right in that next year was a throw away either way, but to say they won't be significantly worse is insane.

this. in addition, we don't need four more years of players that have learned helplessness.