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TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:We're really about to hire Dennis fucking Gates aren't we

casting couch works both ways

this will be another failure of a hire and will send me back into my groundhog den both for this board and for donating to the school. uninspired and destined for failure. i'll be back to eat crow if i'm wrong - i don't expect that to be a problem

I'm not terribly certain that Gates is the hire yet (despite the Tweeter buzz). That said, I actually don't have a terrible objection to it.

We have spent the past searches that resulted in the hiring of consecutive coaches who were well-liked, respected, had a long of history of running successful programs, who cared about their players and worked their way up the ranks. Don and JC were universally considered "good guys" and they were effing horrible. I view Gates as a boom/bust type of candidate who could potentially be a homerun/lightning-in-a-bottle type. Or he could suck and fail miserably. But, if he busts... it isn't any different than what we have been dealing with from his the "safe" established predecessors.

I would have preferred someone from the A10, BE or Power 5. But, outside of that, I wanted to swing for the fences. Guys like Coen, Amaker or Hewitt were the worst way to go... Gates is pretty much the polar opposite of them.

except firing him also means likely firing the award winning Jr AD - which would take longer than simply firing a coach that's way over his head a year or two in

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:nepotism provides some pretty sweet job security, so i would assume the daz model at the very least

HJS {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:nepotism provides some pretty sweet job security, so i would assume the daz model at the very least

College sports has been nothing but nepotism. Keno Davis and Richard Pitino don't get jobs if they had different names. But, now... that a minority has the opportunity to better themselves through the same system... folks suddenly are feverishly defending some sort of new standard? I haven't a clue whether Gates would be decent, if I was Kraft I wouldn't come anywhere near him without a firm transition plan for Jocelyn. But, the dumbest of dumb things would be NOT to go after him solely because his wife works as an assistant for chick sports. That's like your kiosk not hiring someone because he is the husband of the Auntie Anne's manager.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:nepotism provides some pretty sweet job security, so i would assume the daz model at the very least

College sports has been nothing but nepotism. Keno Davis and Richard Pitino don't get jobs if they had different names. But, now... that a minority has the opportunity to better themselves through the same system... folks suddenly are feverishly defending some sort of new standard? I haven't a clue whether Gates would be decent, if I was Kraft I wouldn't come anywhere near him without a firm transition plan for Jocelyn. But, the dumbest of dumb things would be NOT to go after him solely because his wife works as an assistant for chick sports. That's like your kiosk not hiring someone because he is the husband of the Auntie Anne's manager.

you're right - these are all total similar scenarios and analogies. i remember rick pitino being the ad or jr ad at minnesota when his son was hired as the head basketball coach, as an example. go gophers

i'm also sure gates's name would have come up as our potential head basketball coach if his wife wasn't the big boss of the athletic department when krafty pat goes on vacation. he's here purely because of how awesome he's been at leading a team in the horizon league.

lastly, nice try, race baiter. i'd have the same complaints if kraft's totally white children were hired to head a team or department

and i'm not sure you know what "nepotism" means

HJS {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:nepotism provides some pretty sweet job security, so i would assume the daz model at the very least

College sports has been nothing but nepotism. Keno Davis and Richard Pitino don't get jobs if they had different names. But, now... that a minority has the opportunity to better themselves through the same system... folks suddenly are feverishly defending some sort of new standard? I haven't a clue whether Gates would be decent, if I was Kraft I wouldn't come anywhere near him without a firm transition plan for Jocelyn. But, the dumbest of dumb things would be NOT to go after him solely because his wife works as an assistant for chick sports. That's like your kiosk not hiring someone because he is the husband of the Auntie Anne's manager.

you're right - these are all total similar scenarios and analogies. i remember rick pitino being the ad or jr ad at minnesota when his son was hired as the head basketball coach, as an example. go gophers

i'm also sure gates's name would have come up as our potential head basketball coach if his wife wasn't the big boss of the athletic department when krafty pat goes on vacation. he's here purely because of how awesome he's been at leading a team in the horizon league.

lastly, nice try, race baiter. i'd have the same complaints if kraft's totally white children were hired to head a team or department

and i'm not sure you know what "nepotism" means

you're right - these are all total similar scenarios and analogies. I just didn't realize Kraft was the father of Dennis Gates.

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:BC wouldn't let Addazio hire Louie. He tried.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:if you are saying gates is the best guy, i completely agree he should be hired regardless of his other family members employed at the school.

at the same time, if you are saying gates is the best guy - we are of very different opinions on the definition of "best guy."

same holds true if you are saying gates didn't only come to our attention because of a closer than close friend he has employed by the school. i will never believe that he would be on our radar if not for his better half cashing a bc check

25GeraldRd {l Wrote}:... I'll defer to the AD we pay handsomely and the search firm we are also paying handsomely. ...

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i will never believe that he would be on our radar if not for his better half cashing a bc check

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:if you are saying gates is the best guy, i completely agree he should be hired regardless of his other family members employed at the school.

at the same time, if you are saying gates is the best guy - we are of very different opinions on the definition of "best guy."

same holds true if you are saying gates didn't only come to our attention because of a closer than close friend he has employed by the school. i will never believe that he would be on our radar if not for his better half cashing a bc check

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Unlike JC who I knew was a disaster from Day 1, I’m definitely willing to give Gates a chance. FSU has always had awesome talent and at least he’s winning as a HC.

I’d way prefer an established HC from the Big East, etc. but my guess is they all said no. If Gates got the right facilities and institutional support I bet he’s successful (getting us back to the NCAAs).

How are the candidates Hafley and Gates any different?

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Unlike JC who I knew was a disaster from Day 1, I’m definitely willing to give Gates a chance. FSU has always had awesome talent and at least he’s winning as a HC.

I’d way prefer an established HC from the Big East, etc. but my guess is they all said no. If Gates got the right facilities and institutional support I bet he’s successful (getting us back to the NCAAs).

How are the candidates Hafley and Gates any different?

It won't be Gates.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Unlike JC who I knew was a disaster from Day 1, I’m definitely willing to give Gates a chance. FSU has always had awesome talent and at least he’s winning as a HC.

I’d way prefer an established HC from the Big East, etc. but my guess is they all said no. If Gates got the right facilities and institutional support I bet he’s successful (getting us back to the NCAAs).

How are the candidates Hafley and Gates any different?

It won't be Gates.

Who is left who gives you info?

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Unlike JC who I knew was a disaster from Day 1, I’m definitely willing to give Gates a chance. FSU has always had awesome talent and at least he’s winning as a HC.

I’d way prefer an established HC from the Big East, etc. but my guess is they all said no. If Gates got the right facilities and institutional support I bet he’s successful (getting us back to the NCAAs).

How are the candidates Hafley and Gates any different?

It won't be Gates.

Who is left who gives you info?

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:I will say again, we all pretty much knew Hafley was probably going to be a home run from Day 1. The reaction to hiring Gates being "I'm willing to give him a chance. Maybe he'll pan out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" Does not inspire confidence.

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:I will say again, we all pretty much knew Hafley was probably going to be a home run from Day 1. The reaction to hiring Gates being "I'm willing to give him a chance. Maybe he'll pan out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" Does not inspire confidence.

He went 6-6.

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:I will say again, we all pretty much knew Hafley was probably going to be a home run from Day 1. The reaction to hiring Gates being "I'm willing to give him a chance. Maybe he'll pan out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" Does not inspire confidence.

He went 6-6.

We knew that Murt? What is this "we?" I don't know it. I hope it, but I don't know it.

According to the marine, 6-5 is a homerun. I think it is more a "single" and Hafley is still on base. Lets see if he can cross the plate before the inning (inning = his tenure at BC) ends.