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bcbasketball20 {l Wrote}:i agree this is bad, but with the limited scholarships, ill give a pass on 2014.

MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:

bcbasketball20 {l Wrote}:i agree this is bad, but with the limited scholarships, ill give a pass on 2014.

Donahue doesn't get a pass for 2014...Are you serious, so because he only has limited scholarships he doesn't have to recruit anymore? I understand giving him a pass for the the Moton/Rubin class where he had little time to recruit and most recruits had already signed elsewhere but in year 4 are you kidding me?

I have said before and still believe that Donahue is a great gameday coach, but he absolutely sucks as a recruiter.

The h00ps w3ird0s must be feeling real good about the 100 or so names they dropped on here that have no interest in.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i agree with matt the eagle.

the world is officially coming to an end

BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:steve turned a volleyball player into an ACC power forward. when it comes to development, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. he's not a good recruiter (he has a good eye for talent and potential) but if you put a good recruiting assistant there that problem is solved.

BCEagles25 {l Wrote}: but if you put a good recruiting assistant there that problem is solved.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:steve turned a volleyball player into an ACC power forward. when it comes to development, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. he's not a good recruiter (he has a good eye for talent and potential) but if you put a good recruiting assistant there that problem is solved.

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TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:steve turned a volleyball player into an ACC power forward. when it comes to development, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. he's not a good recruiter (he has a good eye for talent and potential) but if you put a good recruiting assistant there that problem is solved.

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if we could just figure out a way to get the ball in odio's hands in space, this team would be golden...

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i've asked this question before and never gotten a very good answer. why does donahue get a pass going into season #4 but spaz couldn't get one going into season 2, 3 or 4?

don't get me wrong, i hated spaz with the passion similar to huang's love of anime but why was he held to a different standard than beeker?

MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i've asked this question before and never gotten a very good answer. why does donahue get a pass going into season #4 but spaz couldn't get one going into season 2, 3 or 4?

don't get me wrong, i hated spaz with the passion similar to huang's love of anime but why was he held to a different standard than beeker?

Nobody should have to explain this to you. It's pretty obvious after you look at all of the facts. To explain it fully could easily be a long essay. I'm too lazy and I've got work to do tonight so I'll do some bullet points:

-Spaz inherited a team that went to back-to-back ACC Championships so he was expected to keep them competitive. No rebuild required. He failed. yes the team was under .500. but it was 15-16, not 5-26
-Donahue inherited a team with a losing record, no recruits the previous year and then the recruits coming in bailed after Skinner left. The ones originally coming in weren't really great anyway. Two years of no recruits plus inheriting a team that had a losing record is what we call a rebuild (unlike Spaziani).you fail to mention donahue couldn't keep any of them. and I'm pretty sure heslip could have gotten time on any of these past years' teams. actually, no shot he could beat out cahill.
-BC is a football school and actually used to have decent attendance by both students and alumni. BC has a much more accomplished history in football than in basketball (Heisman (Flutie), several bowls in a row, Matty Ice, 1940, 1993, BC-ND rivalry, etc.) this is ridiculous.
-Basketball competes with 300 other schools and each school only needs 7 or 8 decent players to be competitive. Football only has 60-something BCS schools and the non-BCS schools struggle to stay competitive. It should be easier for BC to be in the top half of all FBS teams and therefore go to a Bowl. if thats how were measuring success spaz succeeded right? he got to back to back bowls the first two years. donahue hasn't made it to the ncaa tournament yet.
-Spaz was old and never had been a head coach and nobody wanted him. how in the world does that merit a pass for donahues coaching?
-Donahue had been a head coach and led Cornell to three straight Ivy titles (never done before in their history) and then went to the Sweet 16. Skinner couldn't even go farther than that with all of his ACC talent. it took donahue 8 years to get to the ncaa tournament. it took donahue 7 years to have a winning record...im sure if we gave donahue a decade he could stumble into an ncaa win or two
-The trend for Spaz was down all four years. this is true...but spaz was getting grilled after 15 games...well before we hit rock bottom
-The trend for Donahue is a little more tricky, but if you followed things closely, then you knew there would be a drop off after year 1 and the rebuild would begin in year 2. They were bad in year 2, as expected, and then they improved last year. More improvement will come this year. Therefore the trend is up. maybe year 2 wouldn't have been so bad had he not ran reggie jackson off the team.
-Spaz recruiting was terrible ...
-Donahue's recruiting has been suspect lately, but he has brought in somebody who might be the best player to ever put on a BC uniform (Hanlan) i like hanlan, but no and Gatorade Player of the Year from Cali (Anderson) starz!!!and some nice supporting players - Rahon, Clifford (when healthy) ...and Odio (yes, Odio). These three freshmen may prove to be good players as well. This time last year, tw wanted Daniels over Hanlan in the starting lineup. Not trying to call out tw, but just trying to demonstrate that we don't know what these freshmen can do yet. Unfortunately we won't know about Hicks until next year. And he is supposed to be the best one.
-Spaz was an excuse making machine with a defeatist attitude who almost cried at halftime. ...weve already passed 50 games...
-Donahue, for the most part, doesn't seem to play that card. He has ambition and believes in his system.belief in system does not nor should it warrant a pass. you can be sure spaz had the utmost belief in his system.

commavegarage {l Wrote}:

MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i've asked this question before and never gotten a very good answer. why does donahue get a pass going into season #4 but spaz couldn't get one going into season 2, 3 or 4?

don't get me wrong, i hated spaz with the passion similar to huang's love of anime but why was he held to a different standard than beeker?

Nobody should have to explain this to you. It's pretty obvious after you look at all of the facts. To explain it fully could easily be a long essay. I'm too lazy and I've got work to do tonight so I'll do some bullet points:

-Spaz inherited a team that went to back-to-back ACC Championships so he was expected to keep them competitive. No rebuild required. He failed. yes the team was under .500. but it was 15-16, not 5-26
-Donahue inherited a team with a losing record, no recruits the previous year and then the recruits coming in bailed after Skinner left. The ones originally coming in weren't really great anyway. Two years of no recruits plus inheriting a team that had a losing record is what we call a rebuild (unlike Spaziani).you fail to mention donahue couldn't keep any of them. and I'm pretty sure heslip could have gotten time on any of these past years' teams. actually, no shot he could beat out cahill.
-BC is a football school and actually used to have decent attendance by both students and alumni. BC has a much more accomplished history in football than in basketball (Heisman (Flutie), several bowls in a row, Matty Ice, 1940, 1993, BC-ND rivalry, etc.) this is ridiculous.
-Basketball competes with 300 other schools and each school only needs 7 or 8 decent players to be competitive. Football only has 60-something BCS schools and the non-BCS schools struggle to stay competitive. It should be easier for BC to be in the top half of all FBS teams and therefore go to a Bowl. if thats how were measuring success spaz succeeded right? he got to back to back bowls the first two years. donahue hasn't made it to the ncaa tournament yet.
-Spaz was old and never had been a head coach and nobody wanted him. how in the world does that merit a pass for donahues coaching?
-Donahue had been a head coach and led Cornell to three straight Ivy titles (never done before in their history) and then went to the Sweet 16. Skinner couldn't even go farther than that with all of his ACC talent. it took donahue 8 years to get to the ncaa tournament. it took donahue 7 years to have a winning record...im sure if we gave donahue a decade he could stumble into an ncaa win or two
-The trend for Spaz was down all four years. this is true...but spaz was getting grilled after 15 games...well before we hit rock bottom
-The trend for Donahue is a little more tricky, but if you followed things closely, then you knew there would be a drop off after year 1 and the rebuild would begin in year 2. They were bad in year 2, as expected, and then they improved last year. More improvement will come this year. Therefore the trend is up. maybe year 2 wouldn't have been so bad had he not ran reggie jackson off the team.
-Spaz recruiting was terrible ...
-Donahue's recruiting has been suspect lately, but he has brought in somebody who might be the best player to ever put on a BC uniform (Hanlan) i like hanlan, but no and Gatorade Player of the Year from Cali (Anderson) starz!!!and some nice supporting players - Rahon, Clifford (when healthy) ...and Odio (yes, Odio). These three freshmen may prove to be good players as well. This time last year, tw wanted Daniels over Hanlan in the starting lineup. Not trying to call out tw, but just trying to demonstrate that we don't know what these freshmen can do yet. Unfortunately we won't know about Hicks until next year. And he is supposed to be the best one.
-Spaz was an excuse making machine with a defeatist attitude who almost cried at halftime. ...weve already passed 50 games...
-Donahue, for the most part, doesn't seem to play that card. He has ambition and believes in his system.belief in system does not nor should it warrant a pass. you can be sure spaz had the utmost belief in his system.

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this thread reminded me: skinners year 4 he won the big east tournament. just as an fyi.

it also reminded me that in 7 months the BIGBLUEtomato1984BEACON can reignite the BRINGBRUCEPEARL2BC movement!

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Not to interrupt this weirdo-fest, but the NY Post reported today that Farrell had an offer from UVA, so maybe he isn't as awful as reported.

HJS {l Wrote}:Yesterday was LOI Day for basketball.

I find it funny that Don's defenders still talk about the alleged "mess" he inherited because Skinner failed to recruit a single player one year. And yet... here is Don... following the same play book. I wonder how patient they'll be with the next coach, based on the similar-to-worse mess he'll be inheriting.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Ravenel..also stay

claver2010 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Ravenel..also stay

Not worth from either side but the above is at best questionable.

RedBaron67 {l Wrote}:...Donahue himself specified the fourth season as the one by which to judge his performance...

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

RedBaron67 {l Wrote}:...Donahue himself specified the fourth season as the one by which to judge his performance...

beeker said a lot of things. first it was "don't judge me until x number of games" (don't remember if it was 50 or 100) then it was "don't judge me for 4 years"

what's next "it could get ugly out there"

you h00ps w3ird0s are really something else and I truly wonder who beeker has pictures of that gets him a pass that neither spaz nor skinner received

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

RedBaron67 {l Wrote}:...Donahue himself specified the fourth season as the one by which to judge his performance...

beeker said a lot of things. first it was "don't judge me until x number of games" (don't remember if it was 50 or 100) then it was "don't judge me for 4 years"

what's next "it could get ugly out there"

you h00ps w3ird0s are really something else and I truly wonder who beeker has pictures of that gets him a pass that neither spaz nor skinner received

Beeker said 50 games after the first season - basically 50 games for the big frosh class. Happened sometime in February.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Ravenel..also stay

Not worth from either side but the above is at best questionable.

Fair enough, though he showed no indication of leaving pre-Don, and he had just started to play well for Skinner.

Regardless, the point is that the void was created when 6 recruits and players left the program because of the firing/hiring.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

RedBaron67 {l Wrote}:...Donahue himself specified the fourth season as the one by which to judge his performance...

beeker said a lot of things. first it was "don't judge me until x number of games" (don't remember if it was 50 or 100) then it was "don't judge me for 4 years"

what's next "it could get ugly out there"

you h00ps w3ird0s are really something else and I truly wonder who beeker has pictures of that gets him a pass that neither spaz nor skinner received

Beeker said 50 games after the first season - basically 50 games for the big frosh class. Happened sometime in February.

February last year or two years ago? he's at 100 games now (46-54)...

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

RedBaron67 {l Wrote}:...Donahue himself specified the fourth season as the one by which to judge his performance...

beeker said a lot of things. first it was "don't judge me until x number of games" (don't remember if it was 50 or 100) then it was "don't judge me for 4 years"

what's next "it could get ugly out there"

you h00ps w3ird0s are really something else and I truly wonder who beeker has pictures of that gets him a pass that neither spaz nor skinner received

Beeker said 50 games after the first season - basically 50 games for the big frosh class. Happened sometime in February.

February last year or two years ago? he's at 100 games now (46-54)...

The freshman class obviously wasn't on campus when they were high school seniors.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

RedBaron67 {l Wrote}:...Donahue himself specified the fourth season as the one by which to judge his performance...

beeker said a lot of things. first it was "don't judge me until x number of games" (don't remember if it was 50 or 100) then it was "don't judge me for 4 years"

what's next "it could get ugly out there"

you h00ps w3ird0s are really something else and I truly wonder who beeker has pictures of that gets him a pass that neither spaz nor skinner received

Beeker said 50 games after the first season - basically 50 games for the big frosh class. Happened sometime in February.

February last year or two years ago? he's at 100 games now (46-54)...

The freshman class obviously wasn't on campus when they were high school seniors.

did he make it clear that the 50 games did NOT include the games without the amazing freshmen that have never beaten Harvard and lost the two shitastic games played so far this year?

I was on hiatus at that point so I don't remember