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Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:In any case, if BC is going to go cheap, they might as well go hire Coen. He’d be an upgrade over Christian—he was a successful assistant at BC—and would likely take the job (I have good reason to think Schmidt has no interest if that is the direction, so he is no longer a fallback option). We will be marginally better in our irrelevancy, which might be less painful than a full Battle of Zama situation. I wouldn’t really care, but IB’s pain would amuse me.

I know you are just having fun Dick. You don't really mean this but if it happened, I would lose my shit. Actually I would lose my shit if any school picks him up. I suppose the least painful it would be for me is if the school that grabbed him is your school.

Did you or Duchie know or even have any classes with Amy Poehler?

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:you forget that the guy that knows everything and predicts everything correctly all of the time says it is gates.

that's enough to make me nervous that it will actually be gates.

if it is gates, i will post nothing to the basketball board but long, thick, glistening, vein filled cocks because that's what this program deserves. in fact, that is too good for this program but it will bother the rest of you more than anything else and THAT is what this program deserves

HJS {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There is zero reason not to hire Eisley over the rest of these names. And a few years running a program at what is essentially a different level should not move the needle. What Eisley can tell recruits about what BC was and what the path to the NBA is, is far more valuable.

Yup. If Gates is the hire it’s because BC is small time and cheap. There’s still a chance that BC gets lucky and he succeeds but it’s still not the right move if you’re really committed to giving this program the resources to succeed.

Woah... hold on... I love the guy, but... How is Eisley NOT small time and cheap? He is the third paid assistant on Michigan's staff. BC offering $600k doubles his salary. Eisley is easily the cheapest option of all candidates. Gates gets paid more and would cost a buy-out.

Gates could be great or be terrible. He is a lottery ticket and literally NO ONE on here knows anything about him. Zero. People on here really don't know anything about Eisley either. They probably haven't even listened to his interviews on YouTube. In my mind, the only difference between Eisley and Gates is that Eisley knows BC and would stay if the lottery ticket hit.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There is zero reason not to hire Eisley over the rest of these names. And a few years running a program at what is essentially a different level should not move the needle. What Eisley can tell recruits about what BC was and what the path to the NBA is, is far more valuable.

Yup. If Gates is the hire it’s because BC is small time and cheap. There’s still a chance that BC gets lucky and he succeeds but it’s still not the right move if you’re really committed to giving this program the resources to succeed.

Woah... hold on... I love the guy, but... How is Eisley NOT small time and cheap? He is the third paid assistant on Michigan's staff. BC offering $600k doubles his salary. Eisley is easily the cheapest option of all candidates. Gates gets paid more and would cost a buy-out.

Gates could be great or be terrible. He is a lottery ticket and literally NO ONE on here knows anything about him. Zero. People on here really don't know anything about Eisley either. They probably haven't even listened to his interviews on YouTube. In my mind, the only difference between Eisley and Gates is that Eisley knows BC and would stay if the lottery ticket hit.

An Eisley hire might be cheap, that would depend on what they ultimately pay him of course, but I would characterize it as small time. He’s a guy with a 12 year NBA career, 7-8 years coaching in the NBA and a few years recruiting and coaching at a big time college program. Completely different profile than Gates.

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There is zero reason not to hire Eisley over the rest of these names. And a few years running a program at what is essentially a different level should not move the needle. What Eisley can tell recruits about what BC was and what the path to the NBA is, is far more valuable.

Yup. If Gates is the hire it’s because BC is small time and cheap. There’s still a chance that BC gets lucky and he succeeds but it’s still not the right move if you’re really committed to giving this program the resources to succeed.

Woah... hold on... I love the guy, but... How is Eisley NOT small time and cheap? He is the third paid assistant on Michigan's staff. BC offering $600k doubles his salary. Eisley is easily the cheapest option of all candidates. Gates gets paid more and would cost a buy-out.

Gates could be great or be terrible. He is a lottery ticket and literally NO ONE on here knows anything about him. Zero. People on here really don't know anything about Eisley either. They probably haven't even listened to his interviews on YouTube. In my mind, the only difference between Eisley and Gates is that Eisley knows BC and would stay if the lottery ticket hit.

An Eisley hire might be cheap, that would depend on what they ultimately pay him of course, but I would characterize it as small time. He’s a guy with a 12 year NBA career, 7-8 years coaching in the NBA and a few years recruiting and coaching at a big time college program. Completely different profile than Gates.

HJS {l Wrote}: If NBA playing career was a thing, Georgetown and Vandy and Wake and Pacific and Portland would have been crushing it with Patrick Ewing, Jerry Stackhouse, Danny Manning, Damon Staoudamire and Terry Porter as their respective head coaches.

eagle33 {l Wrote}:I can't see anyone decent taking this job unless there's a guarantee of a practice facility getting built written into the contract.

• #1 Win a national championship?
• #2 Compete for a national championship?
• #3 Win the conference tournament?
• #4 Just get into March Madness (if possible, every year) or
• #5 just graduate the players and keep them out of trouble?

HJS {l Wrote}:Leahy and the BOT want #5 with a twist. They want the MBB team to also make money. Every decision they have made (which is insane to fans) fits the adjusted motivation.

Christian was fired because (a) he lost the team (kids were filling their responsibilities off the court), (b) his contract entered the cheap buyout phase, (c) game day revs were so low they were unaffected by the pandemic and (d) he didn’t want the team to play (which slices into ACC revs and our percentage thereof).

The question you really need to ask... what is BC’s motivation to spend resources to build a competitive basketball program? In the socialist world of conference athletics, where is the benefit that BC gleans by paying Willard or Beilein $4mm per year to coach 10 players?

HJS {l Wrote}:Leahy and the BOT want #5 with a twist. They want the MBB team to also make money. Every decision they have made (which is insane to fans) fits the adjusted motivation.

Christian was fired because (a) he lost the team (kids were filling their responsibilities off the court), (b) his contract entered the cheap buyout phase, (c) game day revs were so low they were unaffected by the pandemic and (d) he didn’t want the team to play (which slices into ACC revs and our percentage thereof).

The question you really need to ask... what is BC’s motivation to spend resources to build a competitive basketball program? In the socialist world of conference athletics, where is the benefit that BC gleans by paying Willard or Beilein $4mm per year to coach 10 players?

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:Leahy and the BOT want #5 with a twist. They want the MBB team to also make money. Every decision they have made (which is insane to fans) fits the adjusted motivation.

Christian was fired because (a) he lost the team (kids were filling their responsibilities off the court), (b) his contract entered the cheap buyout phase, (c) game day revs were so low they were unaffected by the pandemic and (d) he didn’t want the team to play (which slices into ACC revs and our percentage thereof).

The question you really need to ask... what is BC’s motivation to spend resources to build a competitive basketball program? In the socialist world of conference athletics, where is the benefit that BC gleans by paying Willard or Beilein $4mm per year to coach 10 players?

There are tangible benefits to a good basketball program. Look at the application numbers at Nova and Gonzaga. The only people who don't still believe in the Flutie effect work in Chestnut Hill.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:shit athletics are also a factor to parents thinking of sending their kids to the heights. i, for one, aimed my kids in other directions because the athletics suck on top of the growth in price tag out pacing the progression in academics. i am nowhere near as rah-rah about bc as an institution as i was 10 or 15 years ago and that all holds true because of sucky athletics. seeing the 3 other schools that my kids have matriculated to (well, 2 of the 3 - 1 is still a small school that falls all over itself in simple day-to-day student life management), i feel very solid in my decision and my kids are much happier on their respective campus than they would have been punching nerds on the heights

all these discussions of revitalizing the basketball program, much like the discussions about the football program, could be applied to the school administration as well. the place has gotten stale and i have to believe i'm not the only parent/alumnus that see it

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:shit athletics are also a factor to parents thinking of sending their kids to the heights. i, for one, aimed my kids in other directions because the athletics suck on top of the growth in price tag out pacing the progression in academics. i am nowhere near as rah-rah about bc as an institution as i was 10 or 15 years ago and that all holds true because of sucky athletics. seeing the 3 other schools that my kids have matriculated to (well, 2 of the 3 - 1 is still a small school that falls all over itself in simple day-to-day student life management), i feel very solid in my decision and my kids are much happier on their respective campus than they would have been punching nerds on the heights

all these discussions of revitalizing the basketball program, much like the discussions about the football program, could be applied to the school administration as well. the place has gotten stale and i have to believe i'm not the only parent/alumnus that see it

tre did you even encourage your kids to apply to BC? Just curious. My daughter is a high school junior and is taking the SATs today and we'll be going through the college application process in the next few months. My concern is not athletics. It is which school she could attend that will give her a better shot (later) at medical school. I am having a hard time justifying the extra expense which would deplete everything in her 529 for a private education when a state university might well give her the same opportunities upon graduation, depending on her transcripts.

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:shit athletics are also a factor to parents thinking of sending their kids to the heights. i, for one, aimed my kids in other directions because the athletics suck on top of the growth in price tag out pacing the progression in academics. i am nowhere near as rah-rah about bc as an institution as i was 10 or 15 years ago and that all holds true because of sucky athletics. seeing the 3 other schools that my kids have matriculated to (well, 2 of the 3 - 1 is still a small school that falls all over itself in simple day-to-day student life management), i feel very solid in my decision and my kids are much happier on their respective campus than they would have been punching nerds on the heights

all these discussions of revitalizing the basketball program, much like the discussions about the football program, could be applied to the school administration as well. the place has gotten stale and i have to believe i'm not the only parent/alumnus that see it

tre did you even encourage your kids to apply to BC? Just curious. My daughter is a high school junior and is taking the SATs today and we'll be going through the college application process in the next few months. My concern is not athletics. It is which school she could attend that will give her a better shot (later) at medical school. I am having a hard time justifying the extra expense which would deplete everything in her 529 for a private education when a state university might well give her the same opportunities upon graduation, depending on her transcripts.

angrychicken {l Wrote}:I really don't care who the coach is as long as he's willing to wear a mock turtleneck from Eastern Clothing of Watertown.

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:shit athletics are also a factor to parents thinking of sending their kids to the heights. i, for one, aimed my kids in other directions because the athletics suck on top of the growth in price tag out pacing the progression in academics. i am nowhere near as rah-rah about bc as an institution as i was 10 or 15 years ago and that all holds true because of sucky athletics. seeing the 3 other schools that my kids have matriculated to (well, 2 of the 3 - 1 is still a small school that falls all over itself in simple day-to-day student life management), i feel very solid in my decision and my kids are much happier on their respective campus than they would have been punching nerds on the heights

all these discussions of revitalizing the basketball program, much like the discussions about the football program, could be applied to the school administration as well. the place has gotten stale and i have to believe i'm not the only parent/alumnus that see it

tre did you even encourage your kids to apply to BC? Just curious. My daughter is a high school junior and is taking the SATs today and we'll be going through the college application process in the next few months. My concern is not athletics. It is which school she could attend that will give her a better shot (later) at medical school. I am having a hard time justifying the extra expense which would deplete everything in her 529 for a private education when a state university might well give her the same opportunities upon graduation, depending on her transcripts.

Get married. And breed. And save for their education the way tre and I did. Then your snide comments might have value. Right now you've got nothing.

HJS {l Wrote}:

angrychicken {l Wrote}:I really don't care who the coach is as long as he's willing to wear a mock turtleneck from Eastern Clothing of Watertown.

I'm shocked that no one has yet mentioned the most obvious candidate. We don't deserve nice things when we can't come up with layup elite coaches (while tying ourselves in knots over Coen, Gates and Eisley).
There is a readily available... minority head coach... in his 40s... familiar with New England... 17 years in the NBA... and coached his team to a National Championship.

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:shit athletics are also a factor to parents thinking of sending their kids to the heights. i, for one, aimed my kids in other directions because the athletics suck on top of the growth in price tag out pacing the progression in academics. i am nowhere near as rah-rah about bc as an institution as i was 10 or 15 years ago and that all holds true because of sucky athletics. seeing the 3 other schools that my kids have matriculated to (well, 2 of the 3 - 1 is still a small school that falls all over itself in simple day-to-day student life management), i feel very solid in my decision and my kids are much happier on their respective campus than they would have been punching nerds on the heights

all these discussions of revitalizing the basketball program, much like the discussions about the football program, could be applied to the school administration as well. the place has gotten stale and i have to believe i'm not the only parent/alumnus that see it

tre did you even encourage your kids to apply to BC? Just curious. My daughter is a high school junior and is taking the SATs today and we'll be going through the college application process in the next few months. My concern is not athletics. It is which school she could attend that will give her a better shot (later) at medical school. I am having a hard time justifying the extra expense which would deplete everything in her 529 for a private education when a state university might well give her the same opportunities upon graduation, depending on her transcripts.

Get married. And breed. And save for their education the way tre and I did. Then your snide comments might have value. Right now you've got nothing.

Sounds like you really have life by the balls.

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

angrychicken {l Wrote}:I really don't care who the coach is as long as he's willing to wear a mock turtleneck from Eastern Clothing of Watertown.

I'm shocked that no one has yet mentioned the most obvious candidate. We don't deserve nice things when we can't come up with layup elite coaches (while tying ourselves in knots over Coen, Gates and Eisley).
There is a readily available... minority head coach... in his 40s... familiar with New England... 17 years in the NBA... and coached his team to a National Championship.

I was deep into Division III coaching staffs before I realized who you were talking about. NCAA violations notwithstanding, he couldn't be any worse than Dennis Gates.

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:shit athletics are also a factor to parents thinking of sending their kids to the heights. i, for one, aimed my kids in other directions because the athletics suck on top of the growth in price tag out pacing the progression in academics. i am nowhere near as rah-rah about bc as an institution as i was 10 or 15 years ago and that all holds true because of sucky athletics. seeing the 3 other schools that my kids have matriculated to (well, 2 of the 3 - 1 is still a small school that falls all over itself in simple day-to-day student life management), i feel very solid in my decision and my kids are much happier on their respective campus than they would have been punching nerds on the heights

all these discussions of revitalizing the basketball program, much like the discussions about the football program, could be applied to the school administration as well. the place has gotten stale and i have to believe i'm not the only parent/alumnus that see it

tre did you even encourage your kids to apply to BC? Just curious. My daughter is a high school junior and is taking the SATs today and we'll be going through the college application process in the next few months. My concern is not athletics. It is which school she could attend that will give her a better shot (later) at medical school. I am having a hard time justifying the extra expense which would deplete everything in her 529 for a private education when a state university might well give her the same opportunities upon graduation, depending on her transcripts.

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:shit athletics are also a factor to parents thinking of sending their kids to the heights. i, for one, aimed my kids in other directions because the athletics suck on top of the growth in price tag out pacing the progression in academics. i am nowhere near as rah-rah about bc as an institution as i was 10 or 15 years ago and that all holds true because of sucky athletics. seeing the 3 other schools that my kids have matriculated to (well, 2 of the 3 - 1 is still a small school that falls all over itself in simple day-to-day student life management), i feel very solid in my decision and my kids are much happier on their respective campus than they would have been punching nerds on the heights

all these discussions of revitalizing the basketball program, much like the discussions about the football program, could be applied to the school administration as well. the place has gotten stale and i have to believe i'm not the only parent/alumnus that see it

tre did you even encourage your kids to apply to BC? Just curious. My daughter is a high school junior and is taking the SATs today and we'll be going through the college application process in the next few months. My concern is not athletics. It is which school she could attend that will give her a better shot (later) at medical school. I am having a hard time justifying the extra expense which would deplete everything in her 529 for a private education when a state university might well give her the same opportunities upon graduation, depending on her transcripts.

Get married. And breed. And save for their education the way tre and I did. Then your snide comments might have value. Right now you've got nothing.

Sounds like you really have life by the balls.

I don't. If I had it by the balls I wouldn't have had to ask tre his opinion on higher education. I value is opinion.

Chickenman, I want to value your opinion again.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}: If NBA playing career was a thing, Georgetown and Vandy and Wake and Pacific and Portland would have been crushing it with Patrick Ewing, Jerry Stackhouse, Danny Manning, Damon Staoudamire and Terry Porter as their respective head coaches.

Just playing in the NBA is not the point, no one thinks Dennis Rodman should get the Indiana job. But when you also coached in the league for a long time, served as an assistant at a major program (led by a young African American ex-NBA alum with 6 years of NBA assistant coaching experience that had the squad at #2 in the country prior to yesterday), the NBA experience is another arrow in the recruiting quiver.

Eisley is not a small time hire. You might be able to get him for relatively cheap though, now. If UM continues the way they have this season, Eisley is going to blow up sooner or later.