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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby jhiggi02 on Thu May 18, 2017 2:30 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Last night had everything to do with timing. Everyone knew they were going to get crushed. They'll only get a game or two, and they won't overtake the Cavs until Isaiah walks and Fultz assumes lead dog responsibility, but they aren't far off. Draft Fultz, extend Bradley, sign Griffin or Hayward, the only two real options for FAs

I don't think they were trading that pick under any circumstances.


I'd prefer Hayward to the no-knees Blake

In addition to his injuries this year, past injuries include:
"Blake Griffin’s history of injuries to his left leg is troublingly long: broken kneecap, meniscus tear, partially torn quadriceps, knee bone bruise, sprained knee, and strained hamstring. Along with numerous other injuries (back stress fracture, right elbow staph infection, and broken right hand), Griffin’s health has caused him to miss nearly two full NBA seasons’ worth of games, the 2012 Olympics, the 2014 FIBA World Cup, and the 2016 Olympics."


I agree, the difference is they need Griffin's skill set more than Hayward's. In two years, Jalen Brown is probably going to be as good or better.


Noted on the skill set. Problem is, by the time Griffin would bring them to the next level, 2-3 years, he will be on the decline or potentially worse due to injury history. I also think brown will be damn good but I still would rather sign Hayward because Danny boy can eventually trade when Brown gets good. If they don't get Hayward, I would prefer not signing Griffin as it would be way too big of a risk and an impulsive move.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Thu May 18, 2017 2:40 pm

jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Last night had everything to do with timing. Everyone knew they were going to get crushed. They'll only get a game or two, and they won't overtake the Cavs until Isaiah walks and Fultz assumes lead dog responsibility, but they aren't far off. Draft Fultz, extend Bradley, sign Griffin or Hayward, the only two real options for FAs

I don't think they were trading that pick under any circumstances.


I'd prefer Hayward to the no-knees Blake

In addition to his injuries this year, past injuries include:
"Blake Griffin’s history of injuries to his left leg is troublingly long: broken kneecap, meniscus tear, partially torn quadriceps, knee bone bruise, sprained knee, and strained hamstring. Along with numerous other injuries (back stress fracture, right elbow staph infection, and broken right hand), Griffin’s health has caused him to miss nearly two full NBA seasons’ worth of games, the 2012 Olympics, the 2014 FIBA World Cup, and the 2016 Olympics."


I agree, the difference is they need Griffin's skill set more than Hayward's. In two years, Jalen Brown is probably going to be as good or better.


Noted on the skill set. Problem is, by the time Griffin would bring them to the next level, 2-3 years, he will be on the decline or potentially worse due to injury history. I also think brown will be damn good but I still would rather sign Hayward because Danny boy can eventually trade when Brown gets good. If they don't get Hayward, I would prefer not signing Griffin as it would be way too big of a risk and an impulsive move.


It's going to be Hayward, they are going to draft Fultz, and they are going to extend Bradley. Team will be stupid deep but still won't have the first team horses to get to the Finals. Lose Amir Johnson and Jerebko and add Fultz and Hayward? Yes please.

Maybe the stashed French dude in China can come over and grab 12 rebounds a game and beat people up.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby jhiggi02 on Thu May 18, 2017 3:10 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Last night had everything to do with timing. Everyone knew they were going to get crushed. They'll only get a game or two, and they won't overtake the Cavs until Isaiah walks and Fultz assumes lead dog responsibility, but they aren't far off. Draft Fultz, extend Bradley, sign Griffin or Hayward, the only two real options for FAs

I don't think they were trading that pick under any circumstances.


I'd prefer Hayward to the no-knees Blake

In addition to his injuries this year, past injuries include:
"Blake Griffin’s history of injuries to his left leg is troublingly long: broken kneecap, meniscus tear, partially torn quadriceps, knee bone bruise, sprained knee, and strained hamstring. Along with numerous other injuries (back stress fracture, right elbow staph infection, and broken right hand), Griffin’s health has caused him to miss nearly two full NBA seasons’ worth of games, the 2012 Olympics, the 2014 FIBA World Cup, and the 2016 Olympics."


I agree, the difference is they need Griffin's skill set more than Hayward's. In two years, Jalen Brown is probably going to be as good or better.


Noted on the skill set. Problem is, by the time Griffin would bring them to the next level, 2-3 years, he will be on the decline or potentially worse due to injury history. I also think brown will be damn good but I still would rather sign Hayward because Danny boy can eventually trade when Brown gets good. If they don't get Hayward, I would prefer not signing Griffin as it would be way too big of a risk and an impulsive move.


It's going to be Hayward, they are going to draft Fultz, and they are going to extend Bradley. Team will be stupid deep but still won't have the first team horses to get to the Finals. Lose Amir Johnson and Jerebko and add Fultz and Hayward? Yes please.

Maybe the stashed French dude in China can come over and grab 12 rebounds a game and beat people up.


And as you know, they still have the nets pick next year.

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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Thu May 18, 2017 3:48 pm

jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
jhiggi02 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Last night had everything to do with timing. Everyone knew they were going to get crushed. They'll only get a game or two, and they won't overtake the Cavs until Isaiah walks and Fultz assumes lead dog responsibility, but they aren't far off. Draft Fultz, extend Bradley, sign Griffin or Hayward, the only two real options for FAs

I don't think they were trading that pick under any circumstances.


I'd prefer Hayward to the no-knees Blake

In addition to his injuries this year, past injuries include:
"Blake Griffin’s history of injuries to his left leg is troublingly long: broken kneecap, meniscus tear, partially torn quadriceps, knee bone bruise, sprained knee, and strained hamstring. Along with numerous other injuries (back stress fracture, right elbow staph infection, and broken right hand), Griffin’s health has caused him to miss nearly two full NBA seasons’ worth of games, the 2012 Olympics, the 2014 FIBA World Cup, and the 2016 Olympics."


I agree, the difference is they need Griffin's skill set more than Hayward's. In two years, Jalen Brown is probably going to be as good or better.



Noted on the skill set. Problem is, by the time Griffin would bring them to the next level, 2-3 years, he will be on the decline or potentially worse due to injury history. I also think brown will be damn good but I still would rather sign Hayward because Danny boy can eventually trade when Brown gets good. If they don't get Hayward, I would prefer not signing Griffin as it would be way too big of a risk and an impulsive move.


It's going to be Hayward, they are going to draft Fultz, and they are going to extend Bradley. Team will be stupid deep but still won't have the first team horses to get to the Finals. Lose Amir Johnson and Jerebko and add Fultz and Hayward? Yes please.

Maybe the stashed French dude in China can come over and grab 12 rebounds a game and beat people up.


And as you know, they still have the nets pick next year.



It's all well and good, but for now, they are on path to have 11 guards and small forwards and Al Horford.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby jhiggi02 on Thu May 18, 2017 4:16 pm

I'm not too concerned, the game is definitely changing but they also have a few legit ways to snag a big in 18. They can trade for one, draft one, or try and sign one of the potential handful that will be available in free agency

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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Thu May 18, 2017 4:20 pm

Take the good Lopez in 2018 while drafting the Nets' #1 pick and complete the destruction of that franchise.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Thu May 18, 2017 4:25 pm

Probably get Nene or Zach Randolph for some pocket change.

I'd be good with a run at Monroe. Ibaka is going to cost too much for what he does.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby eepstein0 on Thu May 18, 2017 4:33 pm

twballgame9 wrote:Take the good Lopez in 2018 while drafting the Nets' #1 pick and complete the destruction of that franchise.


You can't seriously be talking about Brook Lopez right?
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Thu May 18, 2017 5:57 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Take the good Lopez in 2018 while drafting the Nets' #1 pick and complete the destruction of that franchise.


You can't seriously be talking about Brook Lopez right?


Jesus Christ you don't like any basketball player over 6 foot 4. Offer an alternative to him that's available DeAndre 35% free throw?
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby jhiggi02 on Thu May 18, 2017 6:16 pm

twballgame9 wrote:Probably get Nene or Zach Randolph for some pocket change.

I'd be good with a run at Monroe. Ibaka is going to cost too much for what he does.

I like them, maybe Plumlee or Gibson on the lower end
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby flyingelvii on Thu May 18, 2017 10:26 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Take the good Lopez in 2018 while drafting the Nets' #1 pick and complete the destruction of that franchise.


You can't seriously be talking about Brook Lopez right?


Jesus Christ you don't like any basketball player over 6 foot 4. Offer an alternative to him that's available DeAndre 35% free throw?

Brook Lopez is basically Al Horford but worse. But he's tall so rebounds.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Thu May 18, 2017 10:34 pm

flyingelvii wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Take the good Lopez in 2018 while drafting the Nets' #1 pick and complete the destruction of that franchise.


You can't seriously be talking about Brook Lopez right?


Jesus Christ you don't like any basketball player over 6 foot 4. Offer an alternative to him that's available DeAndre 35% free throw?

Brook Lopez is basically Al Horford but worse. But he's tall so rebounds.


Al Horford is awesome. People that don't like his game are retarded.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby flyingelvii on Fri May 19, 2017 7:50 am

I didn't say Al Horford is bad. But if you want rebounds, you don't get Brook Lopez.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 8:35 am

flyingelvii wrote:I didn't say Al Horford is bad. But if you want rebounds, you don't get Brook Lopez.


Fair. But still better than crowder and brown out of position. And he fits stevens system for a big.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Fri May 19, 2017 9:00 am

Ante Zizic is coming from Europe next year to take Amir Johnson's roster spot and supposedly he is a great rebounder. Plus he'll be on a rookie contract.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 9:06 am

Corporal Funishment wrote:Ante Zizic is coming from Europe next year to take Amir Johnson's roster spot and supposedly he is a great rebounder. Plus he'll be on a rookie contract.


I'd wager that the French guy that was recalled from overseas to the D-League makes the roster before Zizic. I'd also bet neither starts next year, so you still need a 4 in the short term.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 9:15 am

Thomas
Bradley
Crowder
???
Horford

Fultz
Smart
Brown
Olynyk
Zeller

Rozier
??

If they are able to sign a max FA like Hayward, and one of last years' bigs is actually making this 12-man roster, they either need to move a group of guys for one contract or they are going to have to eat Zeller's deal for a year.

Otherwise, nice problems to have, plenty of good players and plenty of money. And a high pick next year.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Fri May 19, 2017 9:49 am

twballgame9 wrote:Thomas
Bradley
Crowder
???
Horford

Fultz
Smart
Brown
Olynyk
Zeller

Rozier
??

If they are able to sign a max FA like Hayward, and one of last years' bigs is actually making this 12-man roster, they either need to move a group of guys for one contract or they are going to have to eat Zeller's deal for a year.

Otherwise, nice problems to have, plenty of good players and plenty of money. And a high pick next year.



You really can't predict because this summer something big is getting blown up. Next summer Isaiah, Bradley, and Smart all have their contracts up and its impossible to sign all three. They're going to have to trade at least one of the three so they at least get something in return, and to clear space to go after a max player (dream scenario of course: Gordon Heyward). The real question is, does Ainge have the guts to let Isaiah go. Because it's gonna cost $200 million to resign him and that limits your possibilities elsewhere.

I've read that Zizic would be lottery pick if he was in this year's draft. Yabusele could take Jerebko's roster spot next year, since I doubt they're going to resign Jerebko anyway. I'm less sold on Yabusele going forward but who knows. In a perfect world you could trade Zeller for a mediocre pick to some stupid team to dump the salary. But if we can't resign Olynyk, Zeller might be valuable to have.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 10:54 am

Corporal Funishment wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Thomas
Bradley
Crowder
???
Horford

Fultz
Smart
Brown
Olynyk
Zeller

Rozier
??

If they are able to sign a max FA like Hayward, and one of last years' bigs is actually making this 12-man roster, they either need to move a group of guys for one contract or they are going to have to eat Zeller's deal for a year.

Otherwise, nice problems to have, plenty of good players and plenty of money. And a high pick next year.



You really can't predict because this summer something big is getting blown up. Next summer Isaiah, Bradley, and Smart all have their contracts up and its impossible to sign all three. They're going to have to trade at least one of the three so they at least get something in return, and to clear space to go after a max player (dream scenario of course: Gordon Heyward). The real question is, does Ainge have the guts to let Isaiah go. Because it's gonna cost $200 million to resign him and that limits your possibilities elsewhere.

I've read that Zizic would be lottery pick if he was in this year's draft. Yabusele could take Jerebko's roster spot next year, since I doubt they're going to resign Jerebko anyway. I'm less sold on Yabusele going forward but who knows. In a perfect world you could trade Zeller for a mediocre pick to some stupid team to dump the salary. But if we can't resign Olynyk, Zeller might be valuable to have.


Smart is not up next year. Just Bradley and Thomas (EDIT: and Olynyk). They'll extend Bradley and let Thomas walk. They aren't going to trade him, but they aren't going to pay him either.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 10:57 am

Corporal Funishment wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Thomas
Bradley
Crowder
???
Horford

Fultz
Smart
Brown
Olynyk
Zeller

Rozier
??

If they are able to sign a max FA like Hayward, and one of last years' bigs is actually making this 12-man roster, they either need to move a group of guys for one contract or they are going to have to eat Zeller's deal for a year.

Otherwise, nice problems to have, plenty of good players and plenty of money. And a high pick next year.



You really can't predict because this summer something big is getting blown up. Next summer Isaiah, Bradley, and Smart all have their contracts up and its impossible to sign all three. They're going to have to trade at least one of the three so they at least get something in return, and to clear space to go after a max player (dream scenario of course: Gordon Heyward). The real question is, does Ainge have the guts to let Isaiah go. Because it's gonna cost $200 million to resign him and that limits your possibilities elsewhere.

I've read that Zizic would be lottery pick if he was in this year's draft. Yabusele could take Jerebko's roster spot next year, since I doubt they're going to resign Jerebko anyway. I'm less sold on Yabusele going forward but who knows. In a perfect world you could trade Zeller for a mediocre pick to some stupid team to dump the salary. But if we can't resign Olynyk, Zeller might be valuable to have.


Oh, and I was under the impression you can't dump players for picks in the NBA without matching an exemption or some such shit that requires ESPN to build a "trade machine" to see if the numbers work. Have to trade players for players under the NBA CBA with some exceptions.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 10:58 am

Last but not least, the Celtics aren't going to need to clear cap space to sign a max player.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Fri May 19, 2017 11:25 am

twballgame9 wrote:Last but not least, the Celtics aren't going to need to clear cap space to sign a max player.


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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Fri May 19, 2017 11:28 am

twballgame9 wrote:Smart is not up next year. Just Bradley and Thomas (EDIT: and Olynyk). They'll extend Bradley and let Thomas walk. They aren't going to trade him, but they aren't going to pay him either.


I don't think you know how the qualifying offer thing works but Olynyk is a restricted free agent this year and Smart next year. And if you know you're going to let someone walk ahead of time, it makes no sense not to trade them
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby eepstein0 on Fri May 19, 2017 11:43 am

Look at Blake Griffin's games played the last few years. No thanks.

I'd still prefer Ibaka because I think he'll be a little cheaper and is a rim protector along with rebounding.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 12:46 pm

Corporal Funishment wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Smart is not up next year. Just Bradley and Thomas (EDIT: and Olynyk). They'll extend Bradley and let Thomas walk. They aren't going to trade him, but they aren't going to pay him either.


I don't think you know how the qualifying offer thing works but Olynyk is a restricted free agent this year and Smart next year. And if you know you're going to let someone walk ahead of time, it makes no sense not to trade them


If you want them to help your team that season it does. They are going to be really good next year with Thomas but they aren't giving him max salary when its over. They also aren't trading the key guy from a team that made the Eastern Conference finals and got better. Bad teams trade guys that are going to walk at the end of the year, not good ones.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 12:56 pm

Corporal Funishment wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Smart is not up next year. Just Bradley and Thomas (EDIT: and Olynyk). They'll extend Bradley and let Thomas walk. They aren't going to trade him, but they aren't going to pay him either.


I don't think you know how the qualifying offer thing works but Olynyk is a restricted free agent this year and Smart next year. And if you know you're going to let someone walk ahead of time, it makes no sense not to trade them


I was assuming they tendered both. I'm fine with letting Olynyk go.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby twballgame9 on Fri May 19, 2017 1:02 pm

And no, I certainly have never taken the time to have an understanding of the salary cap/free agent/trade rules in the NBA. I barely take the time to watch the games. I do enjoy the Celtics though.
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby jhiggi02 on Fri May 19, 2017 1:52 pm

Plumlee with Zebo on the cheap and add one of the overseas guys would be my solution.

And while I'm no cap or trade expert, funishment, I say sign and trade Olynick
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby eepstein0 on Fri May 19, 2017 1:57 pm

jhiggi02 wrote:Plumlee with Zebo on the cheap and add one of the overseas guys would be my solution.

And while I'm no cap or trade expert, funishment, I say sign and trade Olynick


No on Zach Randolph yikes
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Re: Celtics fans playoff thread

Postby jhiggi02 on Fri May 19, 2017 2:38 pm

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jhiggi02 wrote:Plumlee with Zebo on the cheap and add one of the overseas guys would be my solution.

And while I'm no cap or trade expert, funishment, I say sign and trade Olynick


No on Zach Randolph yikes


Gosh you enjoy being smarmy don't you?

And what's your problem with Zebo coming into a team that has an established core for a year at 20 minutes a game? Don't just say no, explain yourself. Plumlee and Zebo could split time and the other big stashed overseas could spell horford.
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