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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:02 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
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claver2010 wrote:
hinghameagle wrote:Donahue would never ever, ever recruit a kid like courtney Dunn after watching the way he plays. the forst time he watched him miss the rim from 5 feet out, and shoot bricks at the the free throw line, he would have walked out the door. The problem is that BC needs a big, and this big doesnt necesaarily have to be an offensive weapon.


Side note: neither did skinner, he didn't see his game in person till he was at BC and was pissed at Bonzi when he saw dunn's game


Nothing about this shocks me.

Oh and Courtney Dunn was freaking awful. Donahue has a big in Van Nest who is mobile and can shoot, he just declines to play him big minutes. For all of Van Nest's faults, he's no worse than Southern or Dunn.


He's worse because he is redundant of the shooting guards. At 7 feet.

Point is that getting a decent 7 footer that can shoot but doesn't rebound sucks worse than getting a below average 7 footer that actually addresses a need. Donahue is assembling a team for H-O-R-S-E


You need to be able to make shots playing HORSE. This team would absolutely suck at that game.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby branchinator on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:03 pm

I agree with Ballgame here. I thought Cortney Dunn sucked but this team absolutely needs another big who can rebound/defend. And it's not like Dennis Clifford is Tim Duncan out there anyways. Even when healthy, Clifford does not have much of an impact on the offensive end. We need another guy who can do what Clifford does defensively when he's out of the game (or injured). Otherwise, you're left with giving frontcourt minutes to Eddie freaking Odio.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:03 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
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hinghameagle wrote:Donahue would never ever, ever recruit a kid like courtney Dunn after watching the way he plays. the forst time he watched him miss the rim from 5 feet out, and shoot bricks at the the free throw line, he would have walked out the door. The problem is that BC needs a big, and this big doesnt necesaarily have to be an offensive weapon.


Side note: neither did skinner, he didn't see his game in person till he was at BC and was pissed at Bonzi when he saw dunn's game


Nothing about this shocks me.

Oh and Courtney Dunn was freaking awful. Donahue has a big in Van Nest who is mobile and can shoot, he just declines to play him big minutes. For all of Van Nest's faults, he's no worse than Southern or Dunn.


He's worse because he is redundant of the shooting guards. At 7 feet.

Point is that getting a decent 7 footer that can shoot but doesn't rebound sucks worse than getting a below average 7 footer that actually addresses a need. Donahue is assembling a team for H-O-R-S-E


You need to be able to make shots playing HORSE. This team would absolutely suck at that game.


I didn't say it was a good HORSE team.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:03 pm

pick6pedro wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:
hinghameagle wrote:Donahue would never ever, ever recruit a kid like courtney Dunn after watching the way he plays. the forst time he watched him miss the rim from 5 feet out, and shoot bricks at the the free throw line, he would have walked out the door. The problem is that BC needs a big, and this big doesnt necesaarily have to be an offensive weapon.


Side note: neither did skinner, he didn't see his game in person till he was at BC and was pissed at Bonzi when he saw dunn's game


Nothing about this shocks me.

Oh and Courtney Dunn was freaking awful. Donahue has a big in Van Nest who is mobile and can shoot, he just declines to play him big minutes. For all of Van Nest's faults, he's no worse than Southern or Dunn.


Van Nest can't rebound or defend. Thus he is like having a much taller Danny Rubin.


Yep. I'd prefer a big who can do what a big is supposed to do.


Since that's clearly not on this roster, Van Nest should play more.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:05 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:
hinghameagle wrote:Donahue would never ever, ever recruit a kid like courtney Dunn after watching the way he plays. the forst time he watched him miss the rim from 5 feet out, and shoot bricks at the the free throw line, he would have walked out the door. The problem is that BC needs a big, and this big doesnt necesaarily have to be an offensive weapon.


Side note: neither did skinner, he didn't see his game in person till he was at BC and was pissed at Bonzi when he saw dunn's game


Nothing about this shocks me.

Oh and Courtney Dunn was freaking awful. Donahue has a big in Van Nest who is mobile and can shoot, he just declines to play him big minutes. For all of Van Nest's faults, he's no worse than Southern or Dunn.


He's worse because he is redundant of the shooting guards. At 7 feet.

Point is that getting a decent 7 footer that can shoot but doesn't rebound sucks worse than getting a below average 7 footer that actually addresses a need. Donahue is assembling a team for H-O-R-S-E


You need to be able to make shots playing HORSE. This team would absolutely suck at that game.


I didn't say it was a good HORSE team.


Unathletic, short, can't shoot and don't play defense. Pretty good squad we've assembled. You watch BC shoot jumpers in warm-ups and they're all freaking bricks. Incredible
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:41 pm

@TheRecruitScoop
Boston College & Fordham have offered 2013 SG Jon Severe of Christ the King (NY).
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:45 am

BCEaglesFan wrote:@TheRecruitScoop
Boston College & Fordham have offered 2013 SG Jon Severe of Christ the King (NY).


Severe (6'2", 180) has accumulated a mixture of high-major and mid-major offers over the past year, but now appears to be blowing up and attracting a wider range of high-major interest. Everything indicates he'd be a good get, but I'm never optimistic about jumping late into a crowded recruiting scene.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby 31southst on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:15 am

RedBaron67 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:@TheRecruitScoop
Boston College & Fordham have offered 2013 SG Jon Severe of Christ the King (NY).


Severe (6'2", 180) has accumulated a mixture of high-major and mid-major offers over the past year, but now appears to be blowing up and attracting a wider range of high-major interest. Everything indicates he'd be a good get, but I'm never optimistic about jumping late into a crowded recruiting scene.


Wonder if this is an indication we won't land Jorgenson.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:56 am

31southst wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:@TheRecruitScoop
Boston College & Fordham have offered 2013 SG Jon Severe of Christ the King (NY).


Severe (6'2", 180) has accumulated a mixture of high-major and mid-major offers over the past year, but now appears to be blowing up and attracting a wider range of high-major interest. Everything indicates he'd be a good get, but I'm never optimistic about jumping late into a crowded recruiting scene.


Wonder if this is an indication we won't land Jorgenson.


Don't believe so. Severe just lit it up for 37 points the other night. BC offered on the spot following the game, I believe
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:52 am

sweetriverbaines wrote:http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/severe-paces-christ-the-king-over-xaverian-1.1328295

Get it done...


Yes please. He looks really good.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:20 am

eepstein0 wrote:
sweetriverbaines wrote:http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/severe-paces-christ-the-king-over-xaverian-1.1328295

Get it done...


Yes please. He looks really good.


Severe is really good, although apparently something of a late bloomer; that's why he has a bunch of high-major offers, and why some of the really heavy hitters (e.g., Indiana) are thinking seriously about jumping in. I fear that BC is going to get lost in the crowd on this one.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:21 am

RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
sweetriverbaines wrote:http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/severe-paces-christ-the-king-over-xaverian-1.1328295

Get it done...


Yes please. He looks really good.


Severe is really good, although apparently something of a late bloomer; that's why he has a bunch of high-major offers, and why some of the really heavy hitters (e.g., Indiana) are thinking seriously about jumping in. I fear that BC is going to get lost in the crowd on this one.


It because he was the second option on the team until this year
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:32 am

Shaddix wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
sweetriverbaines wrote:http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/severe-paces-christ-the-king-over-xaverian-1.1328295

Get it done...


Yes please. He looks really good.


Severe is really good, although apparently something of a late bloomer; that's why he has a bunch of high-major offers, and why some of the really heavy hitters (e.g., Indiana) are thinking seriously about jumping in. I fear that BC is going to get lost in the crowd on this one.


It because he was the second option on the team until this year


Thank you; I'd forgotten that Christ the King had Omar Calhoun as its main attraction one class ahead of Severe.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Brablc on Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:14 pm

A guard: Jorgenson or Severe

and

A Big: Kelly, Kanter, Reynolds

And I'll be happy. Get it done.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:16 pm

Brablc wrote:A guard: Jorgenson or Severe

and

A Big: Kelly, Kanter, Reynolds

And I'll be happy. Get it done.


Recruiting situations like this are where the assistant coaches are expected to earn their salaries. We'll have to hope that, like Odio, they've raised their game when we weren't looking.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby bcmurph on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:56 am

RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
sweetriverbaines wrote:http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/severe-paces-christ-the-king-over-xaverian-1.1328295

Get it done...


Yes please. He looks really good.


Severe is really good, although apparently something of a late bloomer; that's why he has a bunch of high-major offers, and why some of the really heavy hitters (e.g., Indiana) are thinking seriously about jumping in. I fear that BC is going to get lost in the crowd on this one.


SMU, St. John’s, Boston College, Wake Forest, West Virginia and Tennessee have begun recruiting Christ the King shooting guard Jon Severe, the top unsigned senior in the city.


http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/rb_edwards_looking_to_head_south_y547FnrVrotzZk9bYNlaNP
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:01 pm

bcmurph wrote:
RedBaron67 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
sweetriverbaines wrote:http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/severe-paces-christ-the-king-over-xaverian-1.1328295

Get it done...


Yes please. He looks really good.


Severe is really good, although apparently something of a late bloomer; that's why he has a bunch of high-major offers, and why some of the really heavy hitters (e.g., Indiana) are thinking seriously about jumping in. I fear that BC is going to get lost in the crowd on this one.


SMU, St. John’s, Boston College, Wake Forest, West Virginia and Tennessee have begun recruiting Christ the King shooting guard Jon Severe, the top unsigned senior in the city.


http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/rb_edwards_looking_to_head_south_y547FnrVrotzZk9bYNlaNP


This list, of course, doesn't mention the schools that started recruiting him last year -- Alabama, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Seton Hall, and most of the Atlantic 10. The list may grow some more; there are other high majors considering whether to offer Severe. As I said above, BC is caught in a mob scene on this one. At least the reporter put us on the list, so we can consider BC still alive in the recruiting contest.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby The Knife of Asia on Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:04 pm

We aren't getting this kid... Looks like he'll be a great player.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:12 pm

Commits/Recruiting in summary: 50% We don't recruit highly enough ranked players with lots of offers, 50% We shouldn't bother to recruit this highly ranked player with lots of offers because we have no chance to sign him.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby HJS on Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:16 pm

What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:15 pm

HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:44 pm

Shaddix wrote:
HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member


Someone with, you know, ACC experience wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:00 pm

DavidGordonsFoot wrote:Someone with, you know, ACC experience wouldn't be a bad idea.

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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:51 pm

Shaddix wrote:
HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member

Meh, Graham got him the Cali Kids and Hanlan, so you keep him. But Waheed has only got him Owens and Kampmann has gotten nobody.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:11 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:
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HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member

Meh, Graham got him the Cali Kids and Hanlan, so you keep him. But Waheed has only got him Owens and Kampmann has gotten nobody.


Kampmann would be my first choice for re-location
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:45 am

DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member


Someone with, you know, ACC experience wouldn't be a bad idea.


Now, not to perpetually review the same exercise (of course I am actually doing exactly that) but Coen, Coley, O'Shea were not BigEast experience guys. They were A-10 guys who figured it out.

I'm not saying it would hurt. I'm just saying its not the prerequisite to success it is being presented as. For instance Larranaga has all guys from George Mason.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby HJS on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:38 am

eepstein0 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member

Meh, Graham got him the Cali Kids and Hanlan, so you keep him. But Waheed has only got him Owens and Kampmann has gotten nobody.


Kampmann would be my first choice for re-location

Skinner had a GREAT recruiting staff with O'Shea, Coen and Cooley. He replaced O'Shea with Duquette and was able to maintain. But, losing Coen and Cooley soon after in the same year sunk the program. Part of that had to do with Skinner's decision to give remaining staffers a bump and backfill those positions. None of Pat Duquette, Bonzi Colson or Preston Murphy were as good as the men they were replacing.

Similarly, Don initially assembled what appeared to be a very solid staff: Joe Jones, John Gallagher and Nate Graham. Then, Don went down the same road as Skinner. Gallagher left almost as soon as he was announced to become the head coach at Hartford. Graham got bumped and we backfilled with Waheed. Joe Jones left after one year to become the head coach at BU. Graham and Waheed got bumped and we backfilled with Kampmann.

You might be able to pull that off if you are someone like Coach K and the guys you are bumping have all been with you for almost a decade. But, someone who has spent his career in nothing higher than the Ivies and is trying to make the jump to the most competitive basketball conference in the nation simply does not have the same luxury. I said it then and I think it still holds true... when we lost Jones, Don needed to replace him with someone who is experienced at recruiting in a major conference. As I predicted then, that failure will prove his undoing.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby guiltyparticipant on Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:00 am

HJS wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member

Meh, Graham got him the Cali Kids and Hanlan, so you keep him. But Waheed has only got him Owens and Kampmann has gotten nobody.


Kampmann would be my first choice for re-location

Skinner had a GREAT recruiting staff with O'Shea, Coen and Cooley. He replaced O'Shea with Duquette and was able to maintain. But, losing Coen and Cooley soon after in the same year sunk the program. Part of that had to do with Skinner's decision to give remaining staffers a bump and backfill those positions. None of Pat Duquette, Bonzi Colson or Preston Murphy were as good as the men they were replacing.

Similarly, Don initially assembled what appeared to be a very solid staff: Joe Jones, John Gallagher and Nate Graham. Then, Don went down the same road as Skinner. Gallagher left almost as soon as he was announced to become the head coach at Hartford. Graham got bumped and we backfilled with Waheed. Joe Jones left after one year to become the head coach at BU. Graham and Waheed got bumped and we backfilled with Kampmann.

You might be able to pull that off if you are someone like Coach K and the guys you are bumping have all been with you for almost a decade. But, someone who has spent his career in nothing higher than the Ivies and is trying to make the jump to the most competitive basketball conference in the nation simply does not have the same luxury. I said it then and I think it still holds true... when we lost Jones, Don needed to replace him with someone who is experienced at recruiting in a major conference. As I predicted then, that failure will prove his undoing.


Exactly right. Hiring someone who is not from a bigger program is backfilling. We have 2 examples to compare. One, O'Shea, Coen and Cooley - it doesn't matter that they had no BigEast experience because they proved to be good after the fact - were immediately fine after Duequette replaced Coen for four more years and back filling didn't harm them at that point and they had arguably their most recruiting success during that period, but then Colson and Murphy (even though he wasn't an assistant coach) were worse.

Then Donahue hired Joe Jones, who actually had experience at Villanova but definitely wasn't an outlier at all, John Gallagher who did not and Nate Graham who also did not. Waheed is certainly a backfill even though he came from another program, was hired to replace Graham and Kampmann was promotedto replace Jones.

I think it is really past the point of argument that not replacing Jones with an exact replica of Jones's skill set will be the undoing of this program, even though its not clear that any of the current roster was primarily recruited by Jones.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:29 am

eagle9903 wrote:
DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
HJS wrote:What percentage of posters feel that Don needs to target higher ranked players AND do a better job signing the players he targets?


The players he targets are fine. He just can't land any of them. Hopefully he realizes he needs help in recruiting at the end of the year and adds a staff member


Someone with, you know, ACC experience wouldn't be a bad idea.


Now, not to perpetually review the same exercise (of course I am actually doing exactly that) but Coen, Coley, O'Shea were not BigEast experience guys. They were A-10 guys who figured it out.

I'm not saying it would hurt. I'm just saying its not the prerequisite to success it is being presented as. For instance Larranaga has all guys from George Mason.


Fine, I'll just come out and say it then. I don't understand what Donahue sees in Kampmann. At all.
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