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Re: NC State Game

Postby Reverend Mike on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:29 pm

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"Hoops weirdos are weird indeed."

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Re: NC State Game

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Re: NC State Game

Postby Reverend Mike on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:29 pm

Reverend Mike wrote:
Reverend Mike wrote:
Reverend Mike wrote:[stands up, puts down scotch glass, pulls out monocle, huffs on monocle, polishes monocle with handkerchief, examines monocle at arm's length, puts monocle back in, looks out window, puts thumbs in suspenders, clears throat, straightens bowler hat]

"Hoops weirdos are weird indeed."

Rather.

Indubitably.

Quite.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby Reverend Mike on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:30 pm

Reverend Mike wrote:
Reverend Mike wrote:
Reverend Mike wrote:
Reverend Mike wrote:[stands up, puts down scotch glass, pulls out monocle, huffs on monocle, polishes monocle with handkerchief, examines monocle at arm's length, puts monocle back in, looks out window, puts thumbs in suspenders, clears throat, straightens bowler hat]

"Hoops weirdos are weird indeed."

Rather.

Indubitably.

Quite.

Hmm. Yes, that.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby Cadillac90 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:08 pm

2001Eagle wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:We used to have a coach that could win in a superconference with under recruited guys. Hopefully this guy will show that he can reach that level.


It's too bad that guy hasn't existed since 2006.


You keep telling me that. Reggie Jackson.

Who absolutely sucked under Skinner and was revived by Donahue.


This could be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted.


Yea, that's not accurate. But he developed well under the Don.


Sometimes. When he wasn't pissing off the Don with his stubborness.

In a video with the Thunder Reggie said that the bost moment of his career was meeting Steve Donahue.

Don made a Reggie a star and a first-round draft pick. In Al Skinner's system Reggie was woefully out of place and was wasting his potential.


Reggie Jackson was notorious for not listening to the Don and even was benched as a result. Your premise is idiotic.

He was benched for one game and was an All-ACC first team player. He still supports BC and the Don openly. If they argued as much as you said Reggie would want the Don out and Reggie wouldn't play as much as he did.



Your premise that is retarded is that he was a bad player under Al or that Don somehow made him something that he wasn't already. People's memories suck.


Reggie shot 27% and 29% in two seasons under Al from three point range. He then shot 42% under the Don. You can argue the reasons" but he was definitely something the last season that he was not previously, a complete scorer from all areas of he floor.


Yep. The following statements are true:

1) Reggie did not suck in the 2008-2009 season;
2) Reggie improved significantly between the 2008-2009 season and the 2010-2011 season.

Everything else is arguable, especially the role of Donahue in he improvement.


Reggie also went from about a 43% overall shooter to a 50% shooter his final year at BC. And from 73-74% to 80% at the stripe. He improved markedly that last year. Probably a combination of natural improvement arc for a great player and the more open system under Don, but Reggie would have not have been an NBA draft pick without that huge jump in his last season. Part of it could quite well have been Don's coaching.


The Donahue ballwashers never cease to amaze me. He would have been a 1st round pick irregardless of the coach. Reggie seems to think that Skinner did something good for him as he visited with Al over the summer in Vegas to help him with his game.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/ ... story.html
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Re: NC State Game

Postby 2001Eagle on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:51 pm

Cadillac90 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:We used to have a coach that could win in a superconference with under recruited guys. Hopefully this guy will show that he can reach that level.


It's too bad that guy hasn't existed since 2006.


You keep telling me that. Reggie Jackson.

Who absolutely sucked under Skinner and was revived by Donahue.


This could be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted.


Yea, that's not accurate. But he developed well under the Don.


Sometimes. When he wasn't pissing off the Don with his stubborness.

In a video with the Thunder Reggie said that the bost moment of his career was meeting Steve Donahue.

Don made a Reggie a star and a first-round draft pick. In Al Skinner's system Reggie was woefully out of place and was wasting his potential.


Reggie Jackson was notorious for not listening to the Don and even was benched as a result. Your premise is idiotic.

He was benched for one game and was an All-ACC first team player. He still supports BC and the Don openly. If they argued as much as you said Reggie would want the Don out and Reggie wouldn't play as much as he did.



Your premise that is retarded is that he was a bad player under Al or that Don somehow made him something that he wasn't already. People's memories suck.


Reggie shot 27% and 29% in two seasons under Al from three point range. He then shot 42% under the Don. You can argue the reasons" but he was definitely something the last season that he was not previously, a complete scorer from all areas of he floor.


Yep. The following statements are true:

1) Reggie did not suck in the 2008-2009 season;
2) Reggie improved significantly between the 2008-2009 season and the 2010-2011 season.

Everything else is arguable, especially the role of Donahue in he improvement.


Reggie also went from about a 43% overall shooter to a 50% shooter his final year at BC. And from 73-74% to 80% at the stripe. He improved markedly that last year. Probably a combination of natural improvement arc for a great player and the more open system under Don, but Reggie would have not have been an NBA draft pick without that huge jump in his last season. Part of it could quite well have been Don's coaching.


The Donahue ballwasjers never cease to amaze me. He would have been a 1st round pick irregardless of the coach. Reggie seems to think that Skinner did something good for him as he visited with Al over the summer in Vegas to help him with his game.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/ ... story.html


Read much? Where exactly did I say Reggie's improvement was solely attributable to Donahue?

Irregardless, Reggie would not have been a 1st round pick with his sophomore year numbers. There are oodles of NCAA guards that score a bunch points with shitty shooting percentages that don't get drafted.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:35 pm

eagle9903 wrote:Anyone else having trouble figuring out who is reacting to whom? I started by thinking commavegarage thinking this was a bad effort that he was disappointed in was ridiculous, but there are also polyannas who are thrilled as a pig in shit by a near win to an ACC team and maybe he was responding to that?

It's hard to stay with reality, which is that we don't know what this team is yet, when one group is declaring success (as opposed to improvement, which is beyond argument) and another is declaring failure.


I'm lost also. Just looking forward to Wednesday to see which BC team shows up in Blacksburg
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Re: NC State Game

Postby Cadillac90 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:42 pm

2001Eagle wrote:
Cadillac90 wrote:The Donahue ballwasjers never cease to amaze me. He would have been a 1st round pick irregardless of the coach. Reggie seems to think that Skinner did something good for him as he visited with Al over the summer in Vegas to help him with his game.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/ ... story.html


Read much? Where exactly did I say Reggie's improvement was solely attributable to Donahue?

Irregardless, Reggie would not have been a 1st round pick with his sophomore year numbers. There are oodles of NCAA guards that score a bunch points with shitty shooting percentages that don't get drafted.



Do you read much? Where did I say he would have been a 1st round pick after his sophomore year??????
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Re: NC State Game

Postby commavegarage on Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:21 pm

2001Eagle wrote:
Cadillac90 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:We used to have a coach that could win in a superconference with under recruited guys. Hopefully this guy will show that he can reach that level.


It's too bad that guy hasn't existed since 2006.


You keep telling me that. Reggie Jackson.

Who absolutely sucked under Skinner and was revived by Donahue.


This could be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted.


Yea, that's not accurate. But he developed well under the Don.


Sometimes. When he wasn't pissing off the Don with his stubborness.

In a video with the Thunder Reggie said that the bost moment of his career was meeting Steve Donahue.

Don made a Reggie a star and a first-round draft pick. In Al Skinner's system Reggie was woefully out of place and was wasting his potential.


Reggie Jackson was notorious for not listening to the Don and even was benched as a result. Your premise is idiotic.

He was benched for one game and was an All-ACC first team player. He still supports BC and the Don openly. If they argued as much as you said Reggie would want the Don out and Reggie wouldn't play as much as he did.



Your premise that is retarded is that he was a bad player under Al or that Don somehow made him something that he wasn't already. People's memories suck.


Reggie shot 27% and 29% in two seasons under Al from three point range. He then shot 42% under the Don. You can argue the reasons" but he was definitely something the last season that he was not previously, a complete scorer from all areas of he floor.


Yep. The following statements are true:

1) Reggie did not suck in the 2008-2009 season;
2) Reggie improved significantly between the 2008-2009 season and the 2010-2011 season.

Everything else is arguable, especially the role of Donahue in he improvement.


Reggie also went from about a 43% overall shooter to a 50% shooter his final year at BC. And from 73-74% to 80% at the stripe. He improved markedly that last year. Probably a combination of natural improvement arc for a great player and the more open system under Don, but Reggie would have not have been an NBA draft pick without that huge jump in his last season. Part of it could quite well have been Don's coaching.


The Donahue ballwasjers never cease to amaze me. He would have been a 1st round pick irregardless of the coach. Reggie seems to think that Skinner did something good for him as he visited with Al over the summer in Vegas to help him with his game.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/ ... story.html


Read much? Where exactly did I say Reggie's improvement was solely attributable to Donahue?

Irregardless, Reggie would not have been a 1st round pick with his sophomore year numbers. There are oodles of NCAA guards that score a bunch points with shitty shooting percentages that don't get drafted.


Just wanted to quote this for the hell of it. But also, whenever one says irregardless it must be in the form as noted.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby ATLeagle on Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:57 pm

Donahue can manage a game, but to say we are on the same path as Skinner is premature. Troy Bell was a game-changer. Rahon and Hanlon are nice players, but neither are going to have Bell's impact. The team played better but you cannot hold onto moral victories and lose to Bryant in the same season.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby EagleDave on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:16 pm

commavegarage wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
Cadillac90 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:We used to have a coach that could win in a superconference with under recruited guys. Hopefully this guy will show that he can reach that level.


It's too bad that guy hasn't existed since 2006.


You keep telling me that. Reggie Jackson.

Who absolutely sucked under Skinner and was revived by Donahue.


This could be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted.


Yea, that's not accurate. But he developed well under the Don.


Sometimes. When he wasn't pissing off the Don with his stubborness.

In a video with the Thunder Reggie said that the bost moment of his career was meeting Steve Donahue.

Don made a Reggie a star and a first-round draft pick. In Al Skinner's system Reggie was woefully out of place and was wasting his potential.


Reggie Jackson was notorious for not listening to the Don and even was benched as a result. Your premise is idiotic.

He was benched for one game and was an All-ACC first team player. He still supports BC and the Don openly. If they argued as much as you said Reggie would want the Don out and Reggie wouldn't play as much as he did.



Your premise that is retarded is that he was a bad player under Al or that Don somehow made him something that he wasn't already. People's memories suck.


Reggie shot 27% and 29% in two seasons under Al from three point range. He then shot 42% under the Don. You can argue the reasons" but he was definitely something the last season that he was not previously, a complete scorer from all areas of he floor.


Yep. The following statements are true:

1) Reggie did not suck in the 2008-2009 season;
2) Reggie improved significantly between the 2008-2009 season and the 2010-2011 season.

Everything else is arguable, especially the role of Donahue in he improvement.


Reggie also went from about a 43% overall shooter to a 50% shooter his final year at BC. And from 73-74% to 80% at the stripe. He improved markedly that last year. Probably a combination of natural improvement arc for a great player and the more open system under Don, but Reggie would have not have been an NBA draft pick without that huge jump in his last season. Part of it could quite well have been Don's coaching.


The Donahue ballwasjers never cease to amaze me. He would have been a 1st round pick irregardless of the coach. Reggie seems to think that Skinner did something good for him as he visited with Al over the summer in Vegas to help him with his game.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/ ... story.html


Read much? Where exactly did I say Reggie's improvement was solely attributable to Donahue?

Irregardless, Reggie would not have been a 1st round pick with his sophomore year numbers. There are oodles of NCAA guards that score a bunch points with shitty shooting percentages that don't get drafted.


Just wanted to quote this for the hell of it. But also, whenever one says irregardless it must be in the form as noted.


Reggie had the same ability in 2008 that he did in 2010. The only difference is that Don put him in a system that gave him more freedom to show off his skills. He'd have been a first round pick regardless once he got into NBA workouts.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby BCEaglesFan on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:07 am

EagleDave wrote:
commavegarage wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
Cadillac90 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:We used to have a coach that could win in a superconference with under recruited guys. Hopefully this guy will show that he can reach that level.


It's too bad that guy hasn't existed since 2006.


You keep telling me that. Reggie Jackson.

Who absolutely sucked under Skinner and was revived by Donahue.


This could be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted.


Yea, that's not accurate. But he developed well under the Don.


Sometimes. When he wasn't pissing off the Don with his stubborness.

In a video with the Thunder Reggie said that the bost moment of his career was meeting Steve Donahue.

Don made a Reggie a star and a first-round draft pick. In Al Skinner's system Reggie was woefully out of place and was wasting his potential.


Reggie Jackson was notorious for not listening to the Don and even was benched as a result. Your premise is idiotic.

He was benched for one game and was an All-ACC first team player. He still supports BC and the Don openly. If they argued as much as you said Reggie would want the Don out and Reggie wouldn't play as much as he did.



Your premise that is retarded is that he was a bad player under Al or that Don somehow made him something that he wasn't already. People's memories suck.


Reggie shot 27% and 29% in two seasons under Al from three point range. He then shot 42% under the Don. You can argue the reasons" but he was definitely something the last season that he was not previously, a complete scorer from all areas of he floor.


Yep. The following statements are true:

1) Reggie did not suck in the 2008-2009 season;
2) Reggie improved significantly between the 2008-2009 season and the 2010-2011 season.

Everything else is arguable, especially the role of Donahue in he improvement.


Reggie also went from about a 43% overall shooter to a 50% shooter his final year at BC. And from 73-74% to 80% at the stripe. He improved markedly that last year. Probably a combination of natural improvement arc for a great player and the more open system under Don, but Reggie would have not have been an NBA draft pick without that huge jump in his last season. Part of it could quite well have been Don's coaching.


The Donahue ballwasjers never cease to amaze me. He would have been a 1st round pick irregardless of the coach. Reggie seems to think that Skinner did something good for him as he visited with Al over the summer in Vegas to help him with his game.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/ ... story.html


Read much? Where exactly did I say Reggie's improvement was solely attributable to Donahue?

Irregardless, Reggie would not have been a 1st round pick with his sophomore year numbers. There are oodles of NCAA guards that score a bunch points with shitty shooting percentages that don't get drafted.


Just wanted to quote this for the hell of it. But also, whenever one says irregardless it must be in the form as noted.


Reggie had the same ability in 2008 that he did in 2010. The only difference is that Don put him in a system that gave him more freedom to show off his skills. He'd have been a first round pick regardless once he got into NBA workouts.

No team would draft a PG who shot 29% from 3 and turned the ball over a lot in the first round, no matter his athleticism.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby claver2010 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:18 am

There are few things more annoying than quoting a 12x quoted post above you.

This is about as relevant as this thread has turned so I'll place it here.

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Saturday related:

I was encouraged that they hung around Saturday despite dismal stretches and aspects of their game. The last 8 minutes of the first half was pretty bad, the FT shooting wasn't what we're used to. The depth is a huge concern. Hopefully Andrew Van Goggles recovers from his concussion as I'd prefer him getting most of the Odio minutes.

My concern is that this was a winnable game and they have 4 of their next 5 on the road when this group has yet to win in the ACC on the road.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:38 am

i wish nospace was still here to tell everyone that all the team needs is FT practice
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Re: NC State Game

Postby twballgame9 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:15 am

BCEaglesFan wrote:
EagleDave wrote:
commavegarage wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
Cadillac90 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
2001Eagle wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:We used to have a coach that could win in a superconference with under recruited guys. Hopefully this guy will show that he can reach that level.


It's too bad that guy hasn't existed since 2006.


You keep telling me that. Reggie Jackson.

Who absolutely sucked under Skinner and was revived by Donahue.


This could be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted.


Yea, that's not accurate. But he developed well under the Don.


Sometimes. When he wasn't pissing off the Don with his stubborness.

In a video with the Thunder Reggie said that the bost moment of his career was meeting Steve Donahue.

Don made a Reggie a star and a first-round draft pick. In Al Skinner's system Reggie was woefully out of place and was wasting his potential.


Reggie Jackson was notorious for not listening to the Don and even was benched as a result. Your premise is idiotic.

He was benched for one game and was an All-ACC first team player. He still supports BC and the Don openly. If they argued as much as you said Reggie would want the Don out and Reggie wouldn't play as much as he did.



Your premise that is retarded is that he was a bad player under Al or that Don somehow made him something that he wasn't already. People's memories suck.


Reggie shot 27% and 29% in two seasons under Al from three point range. He then shot 42% under the Don. You can argue the reasons" but he was definitely something the last season that he was not previously, a complete scorer from all areas of he floor.


Yep. The following statements are true:

1) Reggie did not suck in the 2008-2009 season;
2) Reggie improved significantly between the 2008-2009 season and the 2010-2011 season.

Everything else is arguable, especially the role of Donahue in he improvement.


Reggie also went from about a 43% overall shooter to a 50% shooter his final year at BC. And from 73-74% to 80% at the stripe. He improved markedly that last year. Probably a combination of natural improvement arc for a great player and the more open system under Don, but Reggie would have not have been an NBA draft pick without that huge jump in his last season. Part of it could quite well have been Don's coaching.


The Donahue ballwasjers never cease to amaze me. He would have been a 1st round pick irregardless of the coach. Reggie seems to think that Skinner did something good for him as he visited with Al over the summer in Vegas to help him with his game.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/ ... story.html


Read much? Where exactly did I say Reggie's improvement was solely attributable to Donahue?

Irregardless, Reggie would not have been a 1st round pick with his sophomore year numbers. There are oodles of NCAA guards that score a bunch points with shitty shooting percentages that don't get drafted.


Just wanted to quote this for the hell of it. But also, whenever one says irregardless it must be in the form as noted.


Reggie had the same ability in 2008 that he did in 2010. The only difference is that Don put him in a system that gave him more freedom to show off his skills. He'd have been a first round pick regardless once he got into NBA workouts.

No team would draft a PG who shot 29% from 3 and turned the ball over a lot in the first round, no matter his athleticism.


You are the IBsolute of the hoops weirdos. Your statement remains idiotic, and this one is worse.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:29 am

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Re: NC State Game

Postby eagle9903 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:19 pm

ATLeagle wrote:Donahue can manage a game, but to say we are on the same path as Skinner is premature. Troy Bell was a game-changer. Rahon and Hanlon are nice players, but neither are going to have Bell's impact. The team played better but you cannot hold onto moral victories and lose to Bryant in the same season.


I completely disagree. I by no means believe Donahue has shown he will achieve Skinner's results. I do however think the parallels by season show that anyone lauding Skinner's tenure and therefore effectively adopting his trajectory to competitiveness as acceptable is either dishonest or stupid if they are judging Donahue to be a failure already.

Obviously, hindsight shows Bell (freshman year was 2nd in bigeast in pts), to be a top 5 all time BC player (best I've seen) and my opinion is that neither Rahon (6th in assists in the ACC so far this season) nor Hanlan (16th in scoring, 22nd in assists, 31st in rebounding, nor Anderson (he is an impressive 4th in pts/game and 3rd in rebounding, which is an aside because he is not a freshman but I didn't realize how good his numbers were) will get to that level. Why I don't see this is fatal is that you have one likely All ACC player in Anderson (if he keeps this up its a virtual lock) and two that could be at some point in their careers in Hanlan and Rahon (less confident but they will be very solid). Troy had nothing like that as a supporting cast. Uka was a very good undersized big man who really did an awesome job, but it took awhile, I mentioned this in another post but I think a healthy Clifford could project to be a superior player. Harley, X and Walls were not on the level of what I expect Rahon and Hanlan to be. So yes, Bell was a game-changer but that doesn't defeat the comparison in my opinion, it would if I was saying Donahue will see better results than Skinner as opposed to saying it is dumb to discount progress so far.

I have two comments on the Bryan loss. 1) the best player was injured and ineffective, this is a reality and if Bell was hurt against a lesser opponent in 1999 I find it likely the same thing would likely have happened; 2) I don't really understand why a bad loss means you can't have a moral victory in the same season. That equation doesn't make sense to me. Again it is a rebuttal of something no one has said (except maybe the shaddix/bceaglesfan coalition). They have not proven they are going to be good yet, but CAG's post that NC State was a disappointing effort makes no sense to me. This team is so far ahead of last year. The question at this point is whether last year was so awful that it doesn't matter. I say I don't know yet.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby pick6pedro on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:38 pm

Rahon named ACC rookie of the week.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby claver2010 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:11 am

pick6pedro wrote:Rahon named ACC rookie of the week.


He's also leading the ACC in minutes per game, will be interesting to see how he holds up throughout the year.


Yes this, along with recruiting an athletic 4/5 is my :thehjs with the basketball program
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Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:24 am

You know I am on board with those two things, although the guards have shown to be resilient thus far.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:49 am

There's really no other option than playing the freshman huge minutes.

Next year, hopefully BC has a 4 guard rotation of Hanlan, Rahon, Jorgensen and Jackson.

On the athletic 4/5, enter Rashard Kelly. Hewitt, for all of his coaching blunders, has a good eye for big man talent and Mason has offered.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby claver2010 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:29 am

No question there are no other options (hello Daniels! -would be nice for him to grab 10/15 minutes a game).

Just pointing out that we saw the FR hit a wall last year and currently Hanlan and Rahon are averaging 10% & 20% more minutes than any FR did last year (and 21% & 31% more than any not named Anderson).
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Re: NC State Game

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:31 am

claver2010 wrote:No question there are no other options (hello Daniels! -would be nice for him to grab 10/15 minutes a game).

Just pointing out that we saw the FR hit a wall last year and currently Hanlan and Rahon are averaging 10% & 20% more minutes than any FR did last year (and 21% & 31% more than any not named Anderson).


The freshman last year were skinny and ill equipped to play at this level. Not the same with these two kids.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby eagle9903 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:38 am

eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:No question there are no other options (hello Daniels! -would be nice for him to grab 10/15 minutes a game).

Just pointing out that we saw the FR hit a wall last year and currently Hanlan and Rahon are averaging 10% & 20% more minutes than any FR did last year (and 21% & 31% more than any not named Anderson).


The freshman last year were skinny and ill equipped to play at this level. Not the same with these two kids.


I agree. Daniels was listed at 5'8 and 153 lbs, Jackson is currently listed as 6'3 180. Rahon is 6'2 195 and Hanlan, while listed at 6'4 188 looks by far the strongest of the 4. They will probably hit a wall, but I don't think they'll get demolished by it because they are less physically over matched than their predecessors. It would be better to have an additional competent guard or SF. Daniels might have helped. Too bad he was run off.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:46 am

The bottom line is I left the NCST game very encouraged. Go out and lose by double digits to VT tomorrow and Ill feel differently. VT stinks and is a game BC needs to figure out how to win.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby eagle9903 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:58 am

eepstein0 wrote:The bottom line is I left the NCST game very encouraged. Go out and lose by double digits to VT tomorrow and Ill feel differently. VT stinks and is a game BC needs to figure out how to win.


Yes. This is a weird trap game after a loss. I worry about a bad effort.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:45 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:No question there are no other options (hello Daniels! -would be nice for him to grab 10/15 minutes a game).

Just pointing out that we saw the FR hit a wall last year and currently Hanlan and Rahon are averaging 10% & 20% more minutes than any FR did last year (and 21% & 31% more than any not named Anderson).


The freshman last year were skinny and ill equipped to play at this level. Not the same with these two kids.


All freshmen hit a wall.

Regardless of whose fault it was, not having Jordan Daniels' for at least 15 mins a game is going to be a problem.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby eagle9903 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:47 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:No question there are no other options (hello Daniels! -would be nice for him to grab 10/15 minutes a game).

Just pointing out that we saw the FR hit a wall last year and currently Hanlan and Rahon are averaging 10% & 20% more minutes than any FR did last year (and 21% & 31% more than any not named Anderson).


The freshman last year were skinny and ill equipped to play at this level. Not the same with these two kids.


All freshmen hit a wall.

Regardless of whose fault it was, not having Jordan Daniels' for at least 15 mins a game is going to be a problem.


Counterpoint: having Jordan Daniels for at least 15 mins a game would have hindered Rahon and/or Hanlan's development in a season where wins and losses, within reason, matter less than development.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:52 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:No question there are no other options (hello Daniels! -would be nice for him to grab 10/15 minutes a game).

Just pointing out that we saw the FR hit a wall last year and currently Hanlan and Rahon are averaging 10% & 20% more minutes than any FR did last year (and 21% & 31% more than any not named Anderson).


The freshman last year were skinny and ill equipped to play at this level. Not the same with these two kids.


All freshmen hit a wall.

Regardless of whose fault it was, not having Jordan Daniels' for at least 15 mins a game is going to be a problem.


Counterpoint: having Jordan Daniels for at least 15 mins a game would have hindered Rahon and/or Hanlan's development in a season where wins and losses, within reason, matter less than development.


Counterpoint: any coach that sacrifices wins for development should be fired. And in answer to your point, short term, perhaps, but I think these guys are good enough that they could have developed prior to the exhaustion stage of every game.
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Re: NC State Game

Postby claver2010 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:02 pm

eagle9903 wrote:Counterpoint: having Jordan Daniels for at least 15 mins a game would have hindered Rahon and/or Hanlan's development in a season where wins and losses, within reason, matter less than development.


Understand you're simply playing devils advocate but giving 10-15 per game to Daniels when it is:
3-4 from Rahon (from 36 MPG to 32-33)
2-4 from Hanlan (from 33 to 29-31)
3-5 from LoJack (from 30 to 25-28)
Any minutes given to Rubin

Isn't going to hurt their development.
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