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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:26 pm

Brablc wrote:
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eepstein0 wrote:How do people feel about a Jorgensen, Owens and Kelly class of 2013?

I'd give it a solid B. Highly rated PG and a couple high level athletes.


B is about right. Jorgenson would be a steal. Owens and Kelly play on the best high school prep team in the nation, and are impact players. (Owens averages 12ppg after converting to a bench role) (Kelly starts)


I think B is good with the potential for higher if Owens and Kelly develop sooner than expected. Overall, I just am excited if these guys sign to have real quality depth overall. With them in the fold, we'd have:

G - Rahon, Jorgenson, Hanlan, Jackson, Donahue
SF - Dragenevich, Heckmann, Owens
PF - Anderson, Kelly, Odio
C - Clifford, Caudill


By not recruiting a C, the Don really must think Caudill will be serviceable next year...which I agree with
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby vegasEagle on Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:29 pm

Shaddix wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:How do people feel about a Jorgensen, Owens and Kelly class of 2013?

I'd give it a solid B. Highly rated PG and a couple high level athletes.


B is about right. Jorgenson would be a steal. Owens and Kelly play on one of the best high school prep teams in the nation, and are impact players. (Owens averages 12ppg after converting to a bench role) (Kelly starts)



fixed. maybe.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:34 pm

vegasEagle wrote:
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eepstein0 wrote:How do people feel about a Jorgensen, Owens and Kelly class of 2013?

I'd give it a solid B. Highly rated PG and a couple high level athletes.


B is about right. Jorgenson would be a steal. Owens and Kelly play on one of the best high school prep teams in the nation, and are impact players. (Owens averages 12ppg after converting to a bench role) (Kelly starts)



fixed. maybe.


Massanutten is ranked number 1 believe it or not
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby vegasEagle on Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:21 pm

Shaddix wrote:
vegasEagle wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:How do people feel about a Jorgensen, Owens and Kelly class of 2013?

I'd give it a solid B. Highly rated PG and a couple high level athletes.


B is about right. Jorgenson would be a steal. Owens and Kelly play on one of the best high school prep teams in the nation, and are impact players. (Owens averages 12ppg after converting to a bench role) (Kelly starts)



fixed. maybe.


Massanutten is ranked number 1 believe it or not


by who?

montverde. huntington. findley.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:28 pm

vegasEagle wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
vegasEagle wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:How do people feel about a Jorgensen, Owens and Kelly class of 2013?

I'd give it a solid B. Highly rated PG and a couple high level athletes.


B is about right. Jorgenson would be a steal. Owens and Kelly play on one of the best high school prep teams in the nation, and are impact players. (Owens averages 12ppg after converting to a bench role) (Kelly starts)



fixed. maybe.


Massanutten is ranked number 1 believe it or not


by who?

montverde. huntington. findley.


http://www.shenvalleynow.com/index.php/ ... _1_ranking
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Brablc on Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:50 pm

Shaddix wrote:
Brablc wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:How do people feel about a Jorgensen, Owens and Kelly class of 2013?

I'd give it a solid B. Highly rated PG and a couple high level athletes.


B is about right. Jorgenson would be a steal. Owens and Kelly play on the best high school prep team in the nation, and are impact players. (Owens averages 12ppg after converting to a bench role) (Kelly starts)


I think B is good with the potential for higher if Owens and Kelly develop sooner than expected. Overall, I just am excited if these guys sign to have real quality depth overall. With them in the fold, we'd have:

G - Rahon, Jorgenson, Hanlan, Jackson, Donahue
SF - Dragenevich, Heckmann, Owens
PF - Anderson, Kelly, Odio
C - Clifford, Caudill


By not recruiting a C, the Don really must think Caudill will be serviceable next year...which I agree with


That and I think that they will be playing a lot of smaller lineups as well. 3 guard sets (especially if they get Jorgenson) and have Owens at the 4 at times.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:15 pm

Caudill isn't serviceable they'll just go small.

Saving a spot for 2014 Matt Cimino who's high on BC.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:08 pm

eepstein0 wrote:Caudill isn't serviceable they'll just go small.

Saving a spot for 2014 Matt Cimino who's high on BC.


Caudill will be serviceable next year
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Primetime on Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:40 pm

Shaddix wrote:Caudill will be serviceable next year


Really? That's what we all thought this year. He barely gets 5-10 minutes even with Clifford out and no big man depth. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.

Thoughts on Heckmann being the most likely transfer candidate? Dragicevich is going to come in and steal his minutes and cut into his production. I don't see him sticking around to get his degree when he can go play pro ball in Germany.

Jorgenson/Kelly/Owens ain't bad. Makes us much more versatile and adds 3 contributing guys to the rotation.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:52 pm

Primetime wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Caudill will be serviceable next year


Really? That's what we all thought this year. He barely gets 5-10 minutes even with Clifford out and no big man depth. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.

Thoughts on Heckmann being the most likely transfer candidate? Dragicevich is going to come in and steal his minutes and cut into his production. I don't see him sticking around to get his degree when he can go play pro ball in Germany.

Jorgenson/Kelly/Owens ain't bad. Makes us much more versatile and adds 3 contributing guys to the rotation.


Nobody thought that (or should have thought that) this year. It was always a 2 year project with him, the Don has been very clear about that since day 1. He has lost a ton of weight, and I expect that to continue through the summer. He has shown flashes of good play and he has a nice hook

Heckmann will probably turn pro in Germany after this year.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby MattTheEagle on Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:56 pm

Primetime wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Caudill will be serviceable next year


Really? That's what we all thought this year. He barely gets 5-10 minutes even with Clifford out and no big man depth. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.

Caudill will never become a good ACC player, but he gave me a small glimmer of hope against UNH that he may soon become serviceable. For a few minutes in the second half against UNH he actually looked decent. Maybe it was just a fluke or even that he will only be a factor against shit competition, but he was at least boxing out and covering the UNH bigs pretty well.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:03 am

MattTheEagle wrote:
Primetime wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Caudill will be serviceable next year


Really? That's what we all thought this year. He barely gets 5-10 minutes even with Clifford out and no big man depth. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.

Caudill will never become a good ACC player, but he gave me a small glimmer of hope against UNH that he may soon become serviceable. For a few minutes in the second half against UNH he actually looked decent. Maybe it was just a fluke or even that he will only be a factor against shit competition, but he was at least boxing out and covering the UNH bigs pretty well.


yep, serviceable was as far as he will get. But he should put in valuable minutes and be a tough, physical body next year
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:04 am

Shaddix wrote:
MattTheEagle wrote:
Primetime wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Caudill will be serviceable next year


Really? That's what we all thought this year. He barely gets 5-10 minutes even with Clifford out and no big man depth. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.

Caudill will never become a good ACC player, but he gave me a small glimmer of hope against UNH that he may soon become serviceable. For a few minutes in the second half against UNH he actually looked decent. Maybe it was just a fluke or even that he will only be a factor against shit competition, but he was at least boxing out and covering the UNH bigs pretty well.


Yep, serviceable is as far as he will get. But he should put in valuable minutes and be a tough, physical body next year
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby claver2010 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:08 am

Primetime wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Caudill will be serviceable next year


Really? That's what we all thought this year. He barely gets 5-10 minutes even with Clifford out and no big man depth. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.



Yeah I'm getting to this frame of thought as well. He's the back up 5, the 5 has been injured and out for most of the year and he can't get off the bench. Spare me the bs of a 2 year project. If he was a 2 year project coming Donahue wasted a scholarship. If this was an established veteran team, we could absorb our backup 5 not being serviceable for half his time here.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby joeyfenn on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:36 am

claver2010 wrote:
Primetime wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Caudill will be serviceable next year


Really? That's what we all thought this year. He barely gets 5-10 minutes even with Clifford out and no big man depth. I hope you're right, but I just don't see it.



Yeah I'm getting to this frame of thought as well. He's the back up 5, the 5 has been injured and out for most of the year and he can't get off the bench. Spare me the bs of a 2 year project. If he was a 2 year project coming Donahue wasted a scholarship. If this was an established veteran team, we could absorb our backup 5 not being serviceable for half his time here.


Caudill is shit. He was good in high school and had offers from half the Pac-12 but now he is just shit. I don't blame Donahue. I blame Caudill
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby joeyfenn on Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:41 pm

If Rashard Kelly doesn't reclassify he is ours. If he does reclassify I don't think we stand much of a chance.

SF Rashard Kelly leaning towards Boston College, not reclassifying

Rashard Kelly was once undecided about not only where he wanted to go to school, but also if he wanted to remain a senior or reclassify. However, since he and Massanutten Military Academy (VA) have started off the season 16-0, he's now leaning towards not just a graduation date, but also one school in particular. "Boston College would be my first choice," Kelly told NRS. "Their playing style is really interesting. The competition they play everyday is the best in college. Every night you have a good team coming in to play and there's probably a good opportunity of me coming in and being able to make an impact."
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby claver2010 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:51 pm

joeyfenn wrote:Caudill is shit. He was good in high school and had offers from half the Pac-12 but now he is just shit. I don't blame Donahue. I blame Caudill


Serious question, can Caudill dunk?
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby joeyfenn on Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:27 pm

claver2010 wrote:
joeyfenn wrote:Caudill is shit. He was good in high school and had offers from half the Pac-12 but now he is just shit. I don't blame Donahue. I blame Caudill


Serious question, can Caudill dunk?


Depends on how long his arms are...because he definitely cant jump.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby 2001Eagle on Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:26 am

joeyfenn wrote:If Rashard Kelly doesn't reclassify he is ours. If he does reclassify I don't think we stand much of a chance.

SF Rashard Kelly leaning towards Boston College, not reclassifying

Rashard Kelly was once undecided about not only where he wanted to go to school, but also if he wanted to remain a senior or reclassify. However, since he and Massanutten Military Academy (VA) have started off the season 16-0, he's now leaning towards not just a graduation date, but also one school in particular. "Boston College would be my first choice," Kelly told NRS. "Their playing style is really interesting. The competition they play everyday is the best in college. Every night you have a good team coming in to play and there's probably a good opportunity of me coming in and being able to make an impact."


so commit already rashard!
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:37 am

Donahue will get at least through next year to show he can succeed. Kelly, Owens, and Jorgenson likely won't be the difference that determines whether he will thrive or fail.

Epstein is going to love this because the man who will save or destroy the Don's tenure is Alex Dragicevich.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:13 am

Shaddix wrote:Donahue will get at least through next year to show he can succeed. Kelly, Owens, and Jorgenson likely won't be the difference that determines whether he will thrive or fail.

Epstein is going to love this because the man who will save or destroy the Don's tenure is Alex Dragicevich.


Dragevich is an upgrade over Rubin or whatever DIII we're rolling with now.

Rahon, Hanlan, Dragevich, Anderson and Clifford is a D1 starting lineup.

People will end up liking this '13 class. The '12 class was good also. The '11 class will be the undoing.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby claver2010 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:26 am

eepstein0 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Donahue will get at least through next year to show he can succeed. Kelly, Owens, and Jorgenson likely won't be the difference that determines whether he will thrive or fail.

Epstein is going to love this because the man who will save or destroy the Don's tenure is Alex Dragicevich.


Dragevich is an upgrade over Rubin or whatever DIII we're rolling with now.

Rahon, Hanlan, Dragevich, Anderson and Clifford is a D1 starting lineup.

People will end up liking this '13 class. The '12 class was good also. The '11 class will be the undoing.


Not sure it'll be his undoing but there's a ton of dead weight in that class or in epstein's language NON-ACC TALENT.

The fact that we don't have a servicable big to spell a 7' with knee issues and from the h00ps weird0s sounds like we don't have plans to bring one in, is comical.

Edit: the addition of Rahon/Hanlan and what potentially sounds like a good 2013 class should flush out the minutes Odio's 20, Rubin's 5-10 MPG. Also Jackson shouldn't be playing 28, Rahon shouldn't be playing 35 :shock: (there's no doubt he's going to hit a wall at that pace, the only question is when).
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Cadillac90 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:38 am

eepstein0 wrote:People will end up liking this '13 class.


Has anyone other than Owens committed yet? There's one commit who is a significant project so let's try to temper the excitement.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:06 am

Cadillac90 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:People will end up liking this '13 class.


Has anyone other than Owens committed yet? There's one commit who is a significant project so let's try to temper the excitement.


Don't be too downbeat; given the team's current condition, people are badly in need of some optimism about the future.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:09 am

claver2010 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Donahue will get at least through next year to show he can succeed. Kelly, Owens, and Jorgenson likely won't be the difference that determines whether he will thrive or fail.

Epstein is going to love this because the man who will save or destroy the Don's tenure is Alex Dragicevich.


Dragevich is an upgrade over Rubin or whatever DIII we're rolling with now.

Rahon, Hanlan, Dragevich, Anderson and Clifford is a D1 starting lineup.

People will end up liking this '13 class. The '12 class was good also. The '11 class will be the undoing.


Not sure it'll be his undoing but there's a ton of dead weight in that class or in epstein's language NON-ACC TALENT.

The fact that we don't have a servicable big to spell a 7' with knee issues and from the h00ps weird0s sounds like we don't have plans to bring one in, is comical.

Edit: the addition of Rahon/Hanlan and what potentially sounds like a good 2013 class should flush out the minutes Odio's 20, Rubin's 5-10 MPG. Also Jackson shouldn't be playing 28, Rahon shouldn't be playing 35 :shock: (there's no doubt he's going to hit a wall at that pace, the only question is when).


the backup big has to come via transfer I think.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:21 am

claver2010 wrote:Rahon shouldn't be playing 35 :shock: (there's no doubt he's going to hit a wall at that pace, the only question is when).


If only there were another serviceable guard on the roster to reduce those minutes [ellipsis]
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby vegasEagle on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:38 am

twballgame9 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:Rahon shouldn't be playing 35 :shock: (there's no doubt he's going to hit a wall at that pace, the only question is when).


If only there were another serviceable guard on the roster to reduce those minutes [ellipsis]


I know it. Gabe Moten would have really helped.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:05 pm

Couple of Massanutten showcase games were uploaded to youtube.

This one is the best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a7zpPiMeViM

Deandre Burnett #11 looks real good, hopefully BC is in on him.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:10 pm

Burnett is going to Miami.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:19 pm

BCEaglesFan wrote:Burnett is going to Miami.


Apologies, I meant #11 Dwayne Foreman
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