Dragicevich Commitment

[eepstein0]

I can say with great honesty that I did not read anything in this slapfight after the time Shaddix called Teddy an idiot and that I am, in fact, very, very bored.

You didn't respond to my suggestion that you are pleased by his transfer.

I didn't read that either.

You appear to have lost all interest in the topic as soon as Dragicevich committed; hopefully, some new and outrageous development will relieve your ennui soon.

As for Heckmann (and I agree that the slapfight has gotten tedious), it's safe to say that he had an extremely inconsistent season while showing flashes of considerable promise; what he'll do next season is anybody's guess at this point.

Patrick Heckmann is the least of the problems we have. For all TWB heaps praise on Jordan Daniels, he was just as guilty of this crap Heckmann is being excoriated for.

I'm just excited for this season to get going, I'm real excited to see what we have.

[eagle9903]

I can say with great honesty that I did not read anything in this slapfight after the time Shaddix called Teddy an idiot and that I am, in fact, very, very bored.

You didn't respond to my suggestion that you are pleased by his transfer.

I didn't read that either.

You appear to have lost all interest in the topic as soon as Dragicevich committed; hopefully, some new and outrageous development will relieve your ennui soon.

As for Heckmann (and I agree that the slapfight has gotten tedious), it's safe to say that he had an extremely inconsistent season while showing flashes of considerable promise; what he'll do next season is anybody's guess at this point.

I like arguing about BC sports. However, everything sucks too much right now for this to be all that much fun. The TV contract and the FSU noise and Gene and Spaz and our last place finishes in virtually every non futbol ACC sport are just depressing. I defend(ed) Donahue because he is at least a ray of hope, e.g. [imagine all the coulds are underlined]it could work out. Dragicevich could be better than his performance in Brey's system (next year), Anderson and more importantly Clifford could put on 10-15 lbs of muscle and start rebounding, we could have an injury free season negating the absence of a legitimate third and any fourth big man, Heckmann could learn to keep his eyes open and feet on the ground while passing through traffic, we could have more transfers coming, Hanlan or Rahon could really blow the doors off their recruiting service reports, hell Odio could catch his game speed up to the rest of his classmates.[/imagine all the coulds are underlined].

BC sports is in a very dark place. Its not very much fun right now. Basketball is hardly in a good place, but its significantly less terrible than football or all those olympic sports I don't really care about except when in the aggregate they are embarrassing.

[eepstein0]

I can say with great honesty that I did not read anything in this slapfight after the time Shaddix called Teddy an idiot and that I am, in fact, very, very bored.

You didn't respond to my suggestion that you are pleased by his transfer.

I didn't read that either.

You appear to have lost all interest in the topic as soon as Dragicevich committed; hopefully, some new and outrageous development will relieve your ennui soon.

As for Heckmann (and I agree that the slapfight has gotten tedious), it's safe to say that he had an extremely inconsistent season while showing flashes of considerable promise; what he'll do next season is anybody's guess at this point.

I like arguing about BC sports. However, everything sucks too much right now for this to be all that much fun. The TV contract and the FSU noise and Gene and Spaz and our last place finishes in virtually every non futbol ACC sport are just depressing. I defend(ed) Donahue because he is at least a ray of hope, e.g. [imagine all the coulds are underlined]it could work out. Dragicevich could be better than his performance in Brey's system (next year), Anderson and more importantly Clifford could put on 10-15 lbs of muscle and start rebounding, we could have an injury free season negating the absence of a legitimate third and any fourth big man, Heckmann could learn to keep his eyes open and feet on the ground while passing through traffic, we could have more transfers coming, Hanlan or Rahon could really blow the doors off their recruiting service reports, hell Odio could catch his game speed up to the rest of his classmates.[/imagine all the coulds are underlined].

BC sports is in a very dark place. Its not very much fun right now. Basketball is hardly in a good place, but its significantly less terrible than football or all those olympic sports I don't really care about except when in the aggregate they are embarrassing.

I agree 100%. At least basketball has some hope. I went to the game at UVA and sat courtside and came away encouraged.

[eagle9903]

I can say with great honesty that I did not read anything in this slapfight after the time Shaddix called Teddy an idiot and that I am, in fact, very, very bored.

You didn't respond to my suggestion that you are pleased by his transfer.

I didn't read that either.

You appear to have lost all interest in the topic as soon as Dragicevich committed; hopefully, some new and outrageous development will relieve your ennui soon.

As for Heckmann (and I agree that the slapfight has gotten tedious), it's safe to say that he had an extremely inconsistent season while showing flashes of considerable promise; what he'll do next season is anybody's guess at this point.

I like arguing about BC sports. However, everything sucks too much right now for this to be all that much fun. The TV contract and the FSU noise and Gene and Spaz and our last place finishes in virtually every non futbol ACC sport are just depressing. I defend(ed) Donahue because he is at least a ray of hope, e.g. [imagine all the coulds are underlined]it could work out. Dragicevich could be better than his performance in Brey's system (next year), Anderson and more importantly Clifford could put on 10-15 lbs of muscle and start rebounding, we could have an injury free season negating the absence of a legitimate third and any fourth big man, Heckmann could learn to keep his eyes open and feet on the ground while passing through traffic, we could have more transfers coming, Hanlan or Rahon could really blow the doors off their recruiting service reports, hell Odio could catch his game speed up to the rest of his classmates.[/imagine all the coulds are underlined].

BC sports is in a very dark place. Its not very much fun right now. Basketball is hardly in a good place, but its significantly less terrible than football or all those olympic sports I don't really care about except when in the aggregate they are embarrassing.

I agree 100%. At least basketball has some hope. I went to the game at UVA and sat courtside and came away encouraged.

Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall.

[twballgame9]

And actually he didn't seem to be lacking in skills... but he was the leader of the stupid mistakes brigade

I for one believe "shooting", "passing" and "dribbling" are skills. Just sayin'.

You may have seen more of him than I did, but I thought the reason he did so poorly was because he just didn't look like he was thinking when he had the ball. He was forcing the ball, making stupid passes, and generally hot-dogging. He seemed to shoot well and have decent control, he just played stupid -forced and sloppy... which is why I think he did so well against the crappier teams (I think Donahue even said pre-season that Heckmann was the most ACC-ready). Maybe we're using the word skills to mean two different things, but I think there's some talent there, he just needs to be taught how to use it.

Don't listen to twballgame, he's an idiot. Heckmann shot 45.9% from the field and 35% from 3, which is very good shooting for a freshman. Heckmann played at a high level in Germany, higher than any other player on this team played in high school....he was always very successful at the high level. The european game is very different from the college game. Things are slower, more shooters and with Heckmann being a slasher (or tried to be last year), he found himself often overwhelmed and had many mental lapses. Not to mention that he was a freshman. The mental lapses are shown by miss dribbles, dumb passes, and most importantly, the inconsistant free throw shooting. In games that BC won int he first half of the season (when he was healthy), Heckmann averaged over 85% from the line. On games that they lost, he averaged about 73%. He basically never got out of stage 1 in the college game, remember that Lonnie really struggled at the beginning of the year at free throws as well before he started nailing them.

65 turnovers in 485 minutes (5.36/40 mins).

By comparison, Ryan Anderson had 48 TO in 927 minutes (2.0). LoJack, 52 in 849 minutes (2.44). Humphrey, 61 in 937 minutes (2.6). The damn PG, Daniels, only had 62 in 770 minutes (3.2).

The guy needs to learn how to dribble and pass before anyone should ever call him a "slasher". You have to be able to take the ball with you when you slash.

Slasher definition:
A slasher is someone who can penetrate and drive to the hoop constantly, which he does. This is why he shots at a high percentage, because he gets to the hoop. To be a "slasher" you do not need to be able to distribute the ball per say. Look it up.

Now to clear up on Heckmann's skill set.
You said Heckmann can't shoot dribble or pass.
Shooting:
You backed off the can't shoot comment because it was stupid and ridiculous considering he was one fo the better % shooters on the team last year.
Passing:
Now the only fact that you have brought tot he table was the turnover ratio, which means nothing. Passing doesn't have to do with turnovers in Heckmann's case. His passes are fine, he can drive and dish to Clifford or kick it back out. His decision making is what needed work....which is a mental category.....which has nothing to do with his physical skill set.
Dribbling:
Also mental. If he couldn't dribble the ball correctly, then he should be in division 1 basketball. Fact is, his ball handling skills are fine, he was injured and his confidence was very low and at the end of the year, he starting miss dribbling.

But it's not even worth arguing with you because you are so dumb that you don't even know how to analyze basketball statistics properly and you choose to argue with 9903 like a 5 year old and team up with epstein and ask for factual evidence, when you yourself don't bring up factual evidence.

Don't go head to head with statistics with me, ill beat you every time.

Childish response from ballgame in 3.....2.....1....

He was a bad shooter and a horrendous ball handler. You did nothing to address the stats for the latter (twice the TO rate of his teammates, and most players in the country, I'd hazard a guess). And your stats for the first category ignore the fact that he did all of his good shooting against horrible teams early in the season.

Hey, he was 5-5 against Stonybrook though, so he must be a great shooter. Remove Stonybrook and his one-off night against UC-Somethingorother, and your slasher shot 40% from the floor in the other 20 games.

Oh, and please wake me up when you post your stats. "Must be mental" is not a stat.

First of all, if you want to play "let's discredit a performance" let's try erasing the Providence game where he shot 1-9 and then he is a 49% shooter from the field...so that point is not valid. So exactly what stat suggests he is a bad shooter?

Second of all- he was a FRESHMAN IMPORT FROM GERMANY. I already made that point, but you don't care to read.

Third of all, he's terrible with the ball, but is second on our team in assists. Now your probably going to say with 1.7 is nothing, but in games that he averaged meaningful minutes (over 20mpg), he averaged about 3 assists per game. How does that translate to a bad passer?

Once again, the turnover ratio that you put up proves to be mental attributes and not physical, since he would be first on the team in assists if that stat was accurate.

Getting assists doesn't make you a good passer. Getting assists while not turning it over makes you a good passer. If you have 10 assists and 30 turnovers in a game, you are a terrible passer, even though you probably led your team in assists. I gave up watching Heckmann (and it seems the Don did as well) because many of those turnovers were the direct result of really lazy effort or horrendous street ball hot dogging.

The freshman thing is not an excuse. On a team full of sloppy freshmen, he stood out. I don't know what it means that he is from Germany - are you saying the game is so different that European's can't adjust here? Because that doesn't really bear out for other players, the Euros seem to do pretty well.

I still haven't heard a good excuse for 5 TOs per 40.

You are a retarded person. I've given you at least 4 points and all you do is discredit them. You have tunnel vision from the get go and this is why people don't want to argue with you. You can take your turnover stat and do what you'd like with it, but Heckmann will average 10ppg next year and limit his turnovers.

I'll let you have the last word because it would be impossible not to without making this go over 4 pages long....

Ah yes, I don't like your "he was a freshman and he's German" excuse for him being a walking turnover machine, so you go to your standby points 3 and 4, that your debate opponent is "retarded". Good work, your logic is irrefutable.

Fact is that you want so badly to believe that this team will improve that you are willing to ignore the obvious. I like the rose colored glasses, but save them for the guys that actually showed signs of being able to play at this level, like Anderson, Jackson, Clifford and Daniels. I'm one of the most optimistic hoop weirdos on the boards, but I can't even remotely find signs that Heckmann will bust out at the SF next season. Wish I could.

[twballgame9]

I can say with great honesty that I did not read anything in this slapfight after the time Shaddix called Teddy an idiot and that I am, in fact, very, very bored.

You didn't respond to my suggestion that you are pleased by his transfer.

I didn't read that either.

You appear to have lost all interest in the topic as soon as Dragicevich committed; hopefully, some new and outrageous development will relieve your ennui soon.

As for Heckmann (and I agree that the slapfight has gotten tedious), it's safe to say that he had an extremely inconsistent season while showing flashes of considerable promise; what he'll do next season is anybody's guess at this point.

Patrick Heckmann is the least of the problems we have. For all TWB heaps praise on Jordan Daniels, he was just as guilty of this crap Heckmann is being excoriated for.

I'm just excited for this season to get going, I'm real excited to see what we have.

Jordan Daniels had half of the TOs per 40 minutes of Heckmann, and he is actually the primary ball handler. If Daniels was bad, that shows you how bad Heckmann was. I happen to think Daniel's numbers were mediocre, which is okay for a freshman PG.

[claver2010]

BC sports is in a very dark place. Its not very much fun right now. Basketball is hardly in a good place, but its significantly less terrible than football or all those olympic sports I don't really care about except when in the aggregate they are embarrassing.

I agree 100%. At least basketball has some hope. I went to the game at UVA and sat courtside and came away encouraged.

I'm looking forward to basketball as well. At least it is building towards something. Whether you agree or disagree with certain aspects of how Donahue is doing it at least you know he has a vision.

Football, we're just waiting for Spaz & GDF to get fired.

[eepstein0]

BC sports is in a very dark place. Its not very much fun right now. Basketball is hardly in a good place, but its significantly less terrible than football or all those olympic sports I don't really care about except when in the aggregate they are embarrassing.

I agree 100%. At least basketball has some hope. I went to the game at UVA and sat courtside and came away encouraged.

I'm looking forward to basketball as well. At least it is building towards something. Whether you agree or disagree with certain aspects of how Donahue is doing it at least you know he has a vision.

Football, we're just waiting for Spaz & GDF to get fired.

There's some hope with basketball. It's why I'm going to the Charleston Classic.

There's no hope with football.

[ATLeagle]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

[eepstein0]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

[pick6pedro]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

Although it may only be net one because of Humphrey (admittedly had problems of his own). Plus I'm guessing his defensive contributions will not be equalled. Add in that Rubin barely played in the 2012 part of the schedule. Something like 60 minutes in 18 games.

[eepstein0]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

Although it may only be net one because of Humphrey (admittedly had problems of his own). Plus I'm guessing his defensive contributions will not be equalled. Add in that Rubin barely played in the 2012 part of the schedule. Something like 60 minutes in 18 games.

Fair point on Humphrey. I really wish we still had him on the team. Moton, Cahill and Rubin combined for almost 35 minutes per game.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ege-eagles

[Bunratty]

Heckman was 2 different players last year:

1. The kid who dominated inferior OOC competition and;

2. The kid who $hit his pants against the ACC (and similar) competition

He is going to have to significantly improve his entire game if he is going to be able to compete with the speed, quickness, and size of the ACC.

[pick6pedro]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

Although it may only be net one because of Humphrey (admittedly had problems of his own). Plus I'm guessing his defensive contributions will not be equalled. Add in that Rubin barely played in the 2012 part of the schedule. Something like 60 minutes in 18 games.

Fair point on Humphrey. I really wish we still had him on the team. Moton, Cahill and Rubin combined for almost 35 minutes per game.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ege-eagles

I don't care what they combined for. My point was that you're not really replacing Rubin in any equation (I didn't even mention most of his 2012 minutes were in blowouts). He was non-existent in 2012.

[eepstein0]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

Although it may only be net one because of Humphrey (admittedly had problems of his own). Plus I'm guessing his defensive contributions will not be equalled. Add in that Rubin barely played in the 2012 part of the schedule. Something like 60 minutes in 18 games.

Fair point on Humphrey. I really wish we still had him on the team. Moton, Cahill and Rubin combined for almost 35 minutes per game.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ege-eagles

I don't care what they combined for. My point was that you're not really replacing Rubin in any equation (I didn't even mention most of his 2012 minutes were in blowouts). He was non-existent in 2012.

He did hit a big three pointer against UVA to tie the game with about 8 minutes left in the game. That's about all I can remember about his season though.

[Ahzeem]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

Although it may only be net one because of Humphrey (admittedly had problems of his own). Plus I'm guessing his defensive contributions will not be equalled. Add in that Rubin barely played in the 2012 part of the schedule. Something like 60 minutes in 18 games.

Fair point on Humphrey. I really wish we still had him on the team. Moton, Cahill and Rubin combined for almost 35 minutes per game.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ege-eagles

I don't care what they combined for. My point was that you're not really replacing Rubin in any equation (I didn't even mention most of his 2012 minutes were in blowouts). He was non-existent in 2012.

He did hit a big three pointer against UVA to tie the game with about 8 minutes left in the game. That's about all I can remember about his season though.

I remember a lot about Humphrey's season. one or two timely shots does not make up for his overall selfish play. The offense is designed to penetrate and dish to the open man. Almost every game there were a number of ill advised shots that turnned into a bucket on the other end.

Not playing within the system caused friction with his teammates and underminning the coaches plan by doing his own thing forced the Don to give Moten, Cahill and Rubin more minutes.

He did bring energy to the court and showed these guys how agressieve they need to be. He lost a lot of minutes due to his attitude and the guys learned that they can play without him. He served his purpose and I like that the Don has put the team in the hands of the guys he hand picked.

Spain in August will be our first look at the 2012-2013 squad I can't wait.
HAs anyone heard who their opponents will be?

[pick6pedro]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

Although it may only be net one because of Humphrey (admittedly had problems of his own). Plus I'm guessing his defensive contributions will not be equalled. Add in that Rubin barely played in the 2012 part of the schedule. Something like 60 minutes in 18 games.

Fair point on Humphrey. I really wish we still had him on the team. Moton, Cahill and Rubin combined for almost 35 minutes per game.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ege-eagles

I don't care what they combined for. My point was that you're not really replacing Rubin in any equation (I didn't even mention most of his 2012 minutes were in blowouts). He was non-existent in 2012.

He did hit a big three pointer against UVA to tie the game with about 8 minutes left in the game. That's about all I can remember about his season though.

I remember a lot about Humphrey's season. one or two timely shots does not make up for his overall selfish play. The offense is designed to penetrate and dish to the open man. Almost every game there were a number of ill advised shots that turnned into a bucket on the other end.

Not playing within the system caused friction with his teammates and underminning the coaches plan by doing his own thing forced the Don to give Moten, Cahill and Rubin more minutes.

He did bring energy to the court and showed these guys how agressieve they need to be. He lost a lot of minutes due to his attitude and the guys learned that they can play without him. He served his purpose and I like that the Don has put the team in the hands of the guys he hand picked.

Spain in August will be our first look at the 2012-2013 squad I can't wait.
HAs anyone heard who their opponents will be?

His defense will be missed on a team that didn't play a whole lot of it.

[eepstein0]

Heckmann has good scoring skills and that's about it. His passing was careless. His defense was not very good and he didn't rebound. You can say his game fell apart when he got mono, but that doesn't really cover it all. He checked out a bit. Let's hope he's revived next year. TWB is right: if this team gets better next year it will be due to Clifford, Daniels, and Anderson making huge improvements.

The reason this team will be better maybe a bit of that but also increased depth at guard. Instead of playing Division 3 talent in John Cahill and Rubin for a bunch of minutes, you have Hanlan & Rahon, who regardless of how you feel about them, both had high major offers and are seemingly Division 1 players. This will make a huge difference. BC's starters often would play even or be ahead of the other team, but then when we'd bring in the Moton/Cahill back-court we'd end up losing the lead. We have 4 guards now that can play at this level which will help. We're still thin at SF and inside.

Although it may only be net one because of Humphrey (admittedly had problems of his own). Plus I'm guessing his defensive contributions will not be equalled. Add in that Rubin barely played in the 2012 part of the schedule. Something like 60 minutes in 18 games.

Fair point on Humphrey. I really wish we still had him on the team. Moton, Cahill and Rubin combined for almost 35 minutes per game.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ege-eagles

I don't care what they combined for. My point was that you're not really replacing Rubin in any equation (I didn't even mention most of his 2012 minutes were in blowouts). He was non-existent in 2012.

He did hit a big three pointer against UVA to tie the game with about 8 minutes left in the game. That's about all I can remember about his season though.

I remember a lot about Humphrey's season. one or two timely shots does not make up for his overall selfish play. The offense is designed to penetrate and dish to the open man. Almost every game there were a number of ill advised shots that turnned into a bucket on the other end.

Not playing within the system caused friction with his teammates and underminning the coaches plan by doing his own thing forced the Don to give Moten, Cahill and Rubin more minutes.

He did bring energy to the court and showed these guys how agressieve they need to be. He lost a lot of minutes due to his attitude and the guys learned that they can play without him. He served his purpose and I like that the Don has put the team in the hands of the guys he hand picked.

Spain in August will be our first look at the 2012-2013 squad I can't wait.
HAs anyone heard who their opponents will be?

His defense will be missed on a team that didn't play a whole lot of it.

I feel like the defensive effort was pretty decent but the actual execution was not.

[BCEaglesFan]

Heckmann was a good rebounder.

Humphrey was not.

Heckmann is a streaky shooter, so was Humphrey.

Heckmann needs work on ballhandling. Humphrey was meh.

Humphrey was a very good on-ball defender, decent off-ball.

Both would force things at the basket.

I do prefer Heck forcing inside shots to Humph forcing outside ones, because long jumpshots missed lead to transitions for the opponent.

[twballgame9]

Heckmann was a good rebounder.

Humphrey was not.

Heckmann is a streaky shooter, so was Humphrey.

Heckmann needs work on ballhandling. Humphrey was meh.

Humphrey was a very good on-ball defender, decent off-ball.

Both would force things at the basket.

I do prefer Heck forcing inside shots to Humph forcing outside ones, because long jumpshots missed lead to transitions for the opponent.

This is a nice spin on things, but I don't see it. Particularly the Pollyanna effort to compare their ball handling. I'll give you that Humphrey is not a great player, and I will even put the rosy glasses on for Heckmann's shooting potential and rebounding, but "needs to work on ballhandling" grossly understates things.

[BCEaglesFan]

Heckmann was a good rebounder.

Humphrey was not.

Heckmann is a streaky shooter, so was Humphrey.

Heckmann needs work on ballhandling. Humphrey was meh.

Humphrey was a very good on-ball defender, decent off-ball.

Both would force things at the basket.

I do prefer Heck forcing inside shots to Humph forcing outside ones, because long jumpshots missed lead to transitions for the opponent.

This is a nice spin on things, but I don't see it. Particularly the Pollyanna effort to compare their ball handling. I'll give you that Humphrey is not a great player, and I will even put the rosy glasses on for Heckmann's shooting potential and rebounding, but "needs to work on ballhandling" grossly understates things.

He dribbles the ball too high. There you go.

[Shaddix]

Heckmann was a good rebounder.

Humphrey was not.

Heckmann is a streaky shooter, so was Humphrey.

Heckmann needs work on ballhandling. Humphrey was meh.

Humphrey was a very good on-ball defender, decent off-ball.

Both would force things at the basket.

I do prefer Heck forcing inside shots to Humph forcing outside ones, because long jumpshots missed lead to transitions for the opponent.

This is a nice spin on things, but I don't see it. Particularly the Pollyanna effort to compare their ball handling. I'll give you that Humphrey is not a great player, and I will even put the rosy glasses on for Heckmann's shooting potential and rebounding, but "needs to work on ballhandling" grossly understates things.

Decision making*

[twballgame9]

Heckmann was a good rebounder.

Humphrey was not.

Heckmann is a streaky shooter, so was Humphrey.

Heckmann needs work on ballhandling. Humphrey was meh.

Humphrey was a very good on-ball defender, decent off-ball.

Both would force things at the basket.

I do prefer Heck forcing inside shots to Humph forcing outside ones, because long jumpshots missed lead to transitions for the opponent.

This is a nice spin on things, but I don't see it. Particularly the Pollyanna effort to compare their ball handling. I'll give you that Humphrey is not a great player, and I will even put the rosy glasses on for Heckmann's shooting potential and rebounding, but "needs to work on ballhandling" grossly understates things.

He dribbles the ball too high. There you go.

He also passes like he doesn't care where it is going.

[BCEaglesFan]

Heckmann was a good rebounder.

Humphrey was not.

Heckmann is a streaky shooter, so was Humphrey.

Heckmann needs work on ballhandling. Humphrey was meh.

Humphrey was a very good on-ball defender, decent off-ball.

Both would force things at the basket.

I do prefer Heck forcing inside shots to Humph forcing outside ones, because long jumpshots missed lead to transitions for the opponent.

This is a nice spin on things, but I don't see it. Particularly the Pollyanna effort to compare their ball handling. I'll give you that Humphrey is not a great player, and I will even put the rosy glasses on for Heckmann's shooting potential and rebounding, but "needs to work on ballhandling" grossly understates things.

He dribbles the ball too high. There you go.

He also passes like he doesn't care where it is going.

True, but a lot of those mistakes were because he was in the air when he passed. You learn in 6th grade not to pass while in the air. It's easily fixable.

[eepstein0]

The player in the title isn't going to help said defensive problem. Just sayin'

[Shaddix]

The player in the title isn't going to help said defensive problem. Just sayin'

Did he steal your girlfriend or something? You've had it out against him because you saw him play a few times for ND.... BC isn't ND, they run different playbooks. Chill out and go with the flow

[BCEaglesFan]

The player in the title isn't going to help said defensive problem. Just sayin'

Did he steal your girlfriend or something? You've had it out against him because you saw him play a few times for ND.... BC isn't ND, they run different playbooks. Chill out and go with the flow

You've barely seen him play defense. You can't judge at all.

I saw him play his best game when he scored 22 pts against Pitt. eepstein, he scored on drives, backdoor cuts, putbacks, etc. He looked really good.

[RedBaron67]

The player in the title isn't going to help said defensive problem. Just sayin'

Did he steal your girlfriend or something? You've had it out against him because you saw him play a few times for ND.... BC isn't ND, they run different playbooks. Chill out and go with the flow

You've barely seen him play defense. You can't judge at all.

I saw him play his best game when he scored 22 pts against Pitt. eepstein, he scored on drives, backdoor cuts, putbacks, etc. He looked really good.

The Pitt game shows that Dragicevich is capable of playing very good basketball; the problem is that it was a one-time event that looks like a fluke in the context of his overall performance at ND, which was mediocre at best and sometimes really poor -- eepstein0 wasn't hallucinating about Dragicevich's performance on TV. This leaves us with the question: will Donahue be able to actualize Dragicevich's potential, or does Dragicevich have head issues that will get in the way? Anderson was very enthusiastic about Dragicevich as a 3-point shooter, but Dragicevich consistently failed to produce in games at ND. Who's going to show up next year is anybody's guess at this point; the evidence is too contradictory for anything like a reasoned prediction.

P.S. This, incidentally, is why I objected to BC recruiting Dragicevich; he isn't a guaranteed stiff, but he looks like too much of a crapshoot when scholarships are in short supply. Of course, the dice could come up with the winning number....

[BCEaglesFan]

The player in the title isn't going to help said defensive problem. Just sayin'

Did he steal your girlfriend or something? You've had it out against him because you saw him play a few times for ND.... BC isn't ND, they run different playbooks. Chill out and go with the flow

You've barely seen him play defense. You can't judge at all.

I saw him play his best game when he scored 22 pts against Pitt. eepstein, he scored on drives, backdoor cuts, putbacks, etc. He looked really good.

The Pitt game shows that Dragicevich is capable of playing very good basketball; the problem is that it was a one-time event that looks like a fluke in the context of his overall performance at ND, which was mediocre at best and sometimes really poor -- eepstein0 wasn't hallucinating about Dragicevich's performance on TV. This leaves us with the question: will Donahue be able to actualize Dragicevich's potential, or does Dragicevich have head issues that will get in the way? Anderson was very enthusiastic about Dragicevich as a 3-point shooter, but Dragicevich consistently failed to produce in games at ND. Who's going to show up next year is anybody's guess at this point; the evidence is too contradictory for anything like a reasoned prediction.

P.S. This, incidentally, is why I objected to BC recruiting Dragicevich; he isn't a guaranteed stiff, but he looks like too much of a crapshoot when scholarships are in short supply. Of course, the dice could come up with the winning number....

Drago had a lot of double digit point games in the first games of the season, plus he started. He did score all of ND's first 9 points against Indiana, all on 3's, but he didn't have one after that. I do agree that game-by-game he got worse and worse.

[eepstein0]

The reason you don't want him is that 2014 is the best basketball class New England has ever seen.