Coaching Candidates

by **cvilleagle** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:50 pm

Looking like Hazell to Purdue

by **MilitantEagle** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:53 pm

eagletx {l Wrote}:
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
eagletx {l Wrote}:There is an eerie "deja vu" quality about the Kromer candidacy/credentials and the relationship with BB only troubles me more, no doubt.
There is so much riding on the PERCEPTION of the hiring process, regardless of what the candidates ultimate success or failure might be, in terms of credibility for the program and the position of AD.

Kromer just seems to be the WORST possible alternative when viewed from the perspective of perception.....BB will definitely be playing from way, way behind if Kromer is his choice. But hey, on the bright side, I'll save myself five grand next year.

BB has acted flawlessly and refreshingly since his hiring. But, pulling a GDF would just destroy any goodwill he had. Look... who is to say Kromer won't be another great hire like Jags? I'll give AK-47 a chance. But, as someone else posted, he'll get no leeway from the fans. As soon as he stumbles, people will be calling for both their heads. And, the reality given the roster, is that the next coach WILL stumble and will need time to turn it around.

Do you really think the average BC fan cares much whether it is Diaco or Kromer? The average fan hasn't heard of either one. Brian Kelly was successful before he had Diaco, correct? Why are people convinced Diaco is the next best thing? Not saying he isn't, but Kelly has had success everywhere he has been and Diaco has only been around for part of that ride.

Diaco has been on Kelly's staff at three places: central Michigan, Cinncinati and ND...if you like Kelly you got to like Diaco, as Kelly clearly has a boner for him.

Fair enough. I just don't see how some people are convinved Kromer is so bad. His resume is similar to Jags's resume.

by **cvilleagle** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:54 pm

Also, we should probably lock someone up before the UNC job comes open, here.

by **pick6pedro** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:56 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
thebs19 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)

Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:

- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.

Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?

I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.

Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?

The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.

I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?

by **thebs19** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:57 pm

I'll admit I'm willing to take a big step back from this argument here because I don't know all the facts about these guys, but why are Kromer and BB thought to be BFFs other than sharing a common employer on each's resumes? It is know that they were never simultaneously employed by said employer, right?

Its not even like BB is some flag waving Miami (OH) alum who just adores all thinks RedHawks.

Sean Payton coached at Miami (OH) in the 90's too - are he and Bates besties as well? If so, could we maybe nab Payton or would that be a sham too?

by **PhillyandBCEagles** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:58 pm

Did they run a 3-4 at Cincy and CMU? I can't remember one way or the other.

by **eagle9903** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:01 pm

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
thebs19 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)

Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:

- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.

Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?

I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.

Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?

The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.

I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?

Let's break this down, Gene DeFillipo used to be the Athletic Director at Boston College. He made an in house hire that turned out disastrous. Whereby, as Brad Bates is now the Athletic Director at Boston College, if he hires anyone he has ever met or been in the same room as, it will turn out disastrous.

by **flyingelvii** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:01 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
thebs19 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)

Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:

- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.

Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?

I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.

Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?

The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.

In a thread full of retarded logic, this might be the retardedest.

by **flyingelvii** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:01 pm

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
thebs19 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)

Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:

- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.

Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?

I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.

Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?

The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.

I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?

Let's break this down, Gene DeFillipo used to be the Athletic Director at Boston College. He made an in house hire that turned out disastrous. Whereby, as Brad Bates is now the Athletic Director at Boston College, if he hires anyone he has ever met or been in the same room as, it will turn out disastrous.

You know how popular the transitive property is around these here parts.

by **pick6pedro** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:03 pm

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
thebs19 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)

Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:

- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.

Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?

I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.

Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?

The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.

I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?

Let's break this down, Gene DeFillipo used to be the Athletic Director at Boston College. He made an in house hire that turned out disastrous. Whereby, as Brad Bates is now the Athletic Director at Boston College, if he hires anyone he has ever met or been in the same room as, it will turn out disastrous.

I was getting there. Baby steps. My favorite part is that he isn't just making those statements, but addressing them to BB himself as if he's logged in right now answering questions about a lax team.

by **James Kilmeady** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:04 pm

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
thebs19 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)

Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:

- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.

Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?

I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.

Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?

The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.

I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?

Let's break this down, Gene DeFillipo used to be the Athletic Director at Boston College. He made an in house hire that turned out disastrous. Whereby, as Brad Bates is now the Athletic Director at Boston College, if he hires anyone he has ever met or been in the same room as, it will turn out disastrous.

You know how popular the transitive property is around these here parts.

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by **bcaddict** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:05 pm

Bielema to Arkansas

by **bchockey04** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:05 pm

Wow: Bielema lured away from Wisconsin to Arkansas. Must have been some big money.

Would Diaco be a candidate for Wisconsin? Does Bates need to move even more quickly now?

by **MilitantEagle** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:08 pm

bchockey04 {l Wrote}:Wow: Bielema lured away from Wisconsin to Arkansas. Must have been some big money.

Would Diaco be a candidate for Wisconsin? Does Bates need to move even more quickly now?

HJS complaining about BB's long search in 3, 2, 1...

by **eagle9903** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:09 pm

PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:Did they run a 3-4 at Cincy and CMU? I can't remember one way or the other.

Cincinnati did.

by **bchockey04** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:11 pm

Forgot about Chryst. I'm sure he'll be at the top of Wisky's list.

by **cvilleagle** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:13 pm

Fuck. I just know we're losing Diaco to Wisconsin now.

by **MrAwesomeII** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:13 pm

This isnt going to end well.

by **Walsh601** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:14 pm

ACC
Boston College
NC State - Dave Doeren ($1.8m)

Big East
USF

B1G
Purdue
Wisconsin

Pac-12
Cal
Colorado

SEC
Arkansas - Bret Bielema
Auburn
Kentucky - Mark Stoops ($2.2m)
Tennessee

Mid-Majors
Idaho - Paul Petrino
Northern Illinois - Rod Carey
Southern Miss
UTEP
Western Michigan

by **PhillyandBCEagles** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:16 pm

The Arkansas news gave me some initial panic but upon further reflection I'm not as worried. Bielema to Arkansas is completely out of left field, they'll presumably be starting their search from scratch and aren't likely to throw a ton of money at Diaco without some type of a search. And I don't see Diaco turning down a BC offer in hopes of maybe getting a Wisconsin offer. I think we need to get a final answer from Al tonight but the timing is helpful in that we had at least a week head start on Wisconsin.

by **eagle216** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:16 pm

Bielma and Diaco played together at Iowa is appears, although for only 2 years, and on different sides of the ball. If they have a relationship (NON-SEXUAL), maybe Bielma could have dropped a hint to him. Although, I would like to think Wisco poaches an already established HC from a legit program.

by **BCWest** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:17 pm

Golden's agent is telling folks he is not in the mix for BC job.

by **eagle9903** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:17 pm

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:Did they run a 3-4 at Cincy and CMU? I can't remember one way or the other.

Cincinnati did.

so did CMU

by **eagletx** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:18 pm

I'll tell you what bothers me about it: Kromer is a Miami Ohio guy.....that seems to be why he is in the mix at this point.

So with all the possible NFL assistants out there, some with BC ties, and some with recent meaningful college experience, like a Roman, how is it that Bates decided instead to consider an NFL position coach with no recent college experience, whose candidacy runs somewhat contrary to the criteria that Bates spelled out on numerous occasions, that is a guy with proven (head) coaching (and presumable college) experience other than his connection via Miami???? Does being the interim head at NO after their fiasco give him the HC experience that Bates advertised? Maybe....but it would be an off the charts choice, and yes, I think it would hurt the perception of the program and the AD, and fan interest in the football program in the short run.

Personally, I think the recruiting responsibilities of the hire is right up their in importance when you are looking at the chasm that BC is in....pulling a relative "no name" with no recent college experience from the NFL ranks is a huge gamble at a place like BC in our current depressed situation. So I gotta' question why this guy qualifies as a good choice when viewed in relation to the other names mentioned. In the college world of living rooms (i.e. of recruiting), the name Golden or Diaco certainly has more cache than the name Kromer.

by **b0mberMan** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:20 pm

They are saying Gus Mazahln (sp) coming back to Auburn as HC. Shouldn't affect us either way.

by **BCWest** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:21 pm

Great source says Roman never interviewed, never got a call. This probably really is Diaco and then others. With Wisconsin opening up, we need Bates to wrap this up now.

by **flyingelvii** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:23 pm

eagletx {l Wrote}:I'll tell you what bothers me about it: Kromer is a Miami Ohio guy.....that seems to be why he is in the mix at this point.

So with all the possible NFL assistants out there, some with BC ties, and some with recent meaningful college experience, like a Roman, how is it that Bates decided instead to consider an NFL position coach with no recent college experience, whose candidacy runs somewhat contrary to the criteria that Bates spelled out on numerous occasions, that is a guy with proven (head) coaching (and presumable college) experience other than his connection via Miami???? Does being the interim head at NO after their fiasco give him the HC experience that Bates advertised? Maybe....but it would be an off the charts choice, and yes, I think it would hurt the perception of the program and the AD, and fan interest in the football program in the short run.

Personally, I think the recruiting responsibilities of the hire is right up their in importance when you are looking at the chasm that BC is in....pulling a relative "no name" with no recent college experience from the NFL ranks is a huge gamble at a place like BC in our current depressed situation. So I gotta' question why this guy qualifies as a good choice when viewed in relation to the other names mentioned. In the college world of living rooms (i.e. of recruiting), the name Golden or Diaco certainly has more cache than the name Kromer.

Tom Coughlin didn't. Nor did Jags. People are literally just throwing shit at the wall right now.

Edit: Recent college coaching experience, not BC connection. I don't think the BC connection should be that big of a deal breaker.

by **bluefishskip** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:25 pm

Dave Shook ‏@DShookCSL
I can also confirm that Pete Lembo and Aaron Kromer are 2nd tier candidates who will be contacted again only if BOTH Diaco and Golden say no
Retweeted by ATR

by **DavidGordonsFoot** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:26 pm

DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:Kromer would get no slack. Diaco would at least get 3 years to show some life.

From who? EO? I agree with that. But I think he would get plenty of slack from BB.

by **tallsy** on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:27 pm

Let me get this straight - Roman, Doeren, Hazell, and even some more long shot candidates (MacIntrye, Taggart, etc) never got calls and Golden "is not in the mix" suggesting that BC is not interested in him. And if we don't get Diaco, it's Aaron Kromer. Am I the only one bothered by this? I would prefer lower tier college guys than Kromer.

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