eagletx {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:eagletx {l Wrote}:There is an eerie "deja vu" quality about the Kromer candidacy/credentials and the relationship with BB only troubles me more, no doubt.
There is so much riding on the PERCEPTION of the hiring process, regardless of what the candidates ultimate success or failure might be, in terms of credibility for the program and the position of AD.
Kromer just seems to be the WORST possible alternative when viewed from the perspective of perception.....BB will definitely be playing from way, way behind if Kromer is his choice. But hey, on the bright side, I'll save myself five grand next year.
BB has acted flawlessly and refreshingly since his hiring. But, pulling a GDF would just destroy any goodwill he had. Look... who is to say Kromer won't be another great hire like Jags? I'll give AK-47 a chance. But, as someone else posted, he'll get no leeway from the fans. As soon as he stumbles, people will be calling for both their heads. And, the reality given the roster, is that the next coach WILL stumble and will need time to turn it around.
Do you really think the average BC fan cares much whether it is Diaco or Kromer? The average fan hasn't heard of either one. Brian Kelly was successful before he had Diaco, correct? Why are people convinced Diaco is the next best thing? Not saying he isn't, but Kelly has had success everywhere he has been and Diaco has only been around for part of that ride.
Diaco has been on Kelly's staff at three places: central Michigan, Cinncinati and ND...if you like Kelly you got to like Diaco, as Kelly clearly has a boner for him.
HJS {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)
Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:
- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.
Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?
I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.
Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?
The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)
Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:
- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.
Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?
I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.
Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?
The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.
I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?
HJS {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)
Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:
- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.
Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?
I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.
Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?
The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)
Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:
- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.
Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?
I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.
Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?
The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.
I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?
Let's break this down, Gene DeFillipo used to be the Athletic Director at Boston College. He made an in house hire that turned out disastrous. Whereby, as Brad Bates is now the Athletic Director at Boston College, if he hires anyone he has ever met or been in the same room as, it will turn out disastrous.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)
Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:
- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.
Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?
I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.
Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?
The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.
I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?
Let's break this down, Gene DeFillipo used to be the Athletic Director at Boston College. He made an in house hire that turned out disastrous. Whereby, as Brad Bates is now the Athletic Director at Boston College, if he hires anyone he has ever met or been in the same room as, it will turn out disastrous.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:[ But, when we are discussing folks who REALLY want the job like Roman, PCJR and Mike Sullivan (all of whom have been or will be considered for a freaking head coaching job in the NFL)
Look, we may be going through the motions here for nothing re: Kromer, but I just don't see how the bolded makes those guys better candidates than Kromer considering, um, Kromer:
- Was next in line for St. Louis Rams gig if Fisher went to Miami (no real shame in losing out to Fisher)
- Was chosen to be a head coach (albeit interim) which gives him more "CEO" experience than those 3.
Sullivan especially seems to be a weird inclusion in here as I don't think he's ever been considered or rumored to be close-to-being-considered for any head coaching gigs and has a few months' experience as a coordinator. If we're going on the "We don't want position coaches" thing, Sullivan would seem to be disqualified for it on that basis, no?
I would certainly declare that Kromer seems to be as big of an NFL name as the group above.
Now thats a completely separate group from the Diacos and others in the college ranks b/c the arguments about him being out of the college game are totally legit. I just don't see how Greg Roman is the bestest and Aaron Kromer is the worstest and the justification is "Well Roman is in demand" - so, apparently, is Kromer. As far as him being a buddy of BB, their Miami (OH) tenures never overlapped. It looks to me to be nothing more than a talking point in an interivew rather than a nepotism moment - and how do we know that Kromer isn't a slam dunk and the whole "connection" isn't something that helped the marriage, which otherwise seems to be an odd fit, happen?
The issue with Kromer is that he and BB are BFFs. We've had the preious 2 "national" searches end similarly. We all thought that we had moved beyond such sham searches when GDF was retired. Kromer's resume is fine (though his complete absense from the college game remains a huge concern... as does him never being a coordinator). It's the appearance of cronyism that is the concern.
I'm make it easier for you to answer the actual question about Kromer rather than reiterating your newest agenda - if there was no overlap in their tenures, how did they become besties?
Let's break this down, Gene DeFillipo used to be the Athletic Director at Boston College. He made an in house hire that turned out disastrous. Whereby, as Brad Bates is now the Athletic Director at Boston College, if he hires anyone he has ever met or been in the same room as, it will turn out disastrous.
You know how popular the transitive property is around these here parts.
bchockey04 {l Wrote}:Wow: Bielema lured away from Wisconsin to Arkansas. Must have been some big money.
Would Diaco be a candidate for Wisconsin? Does Bates need to move even more quickly now?
PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:Did they run a 3-4 at Cincy and CMU? I can't remember one way or the other.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:Did they run a 3-4 at Cincy and CMU? I can't remember one way or the other.
Cincinnati did.
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
eagletx {l Wrote}:I'll tell you what bothers me about it: Kromer is a Miami Ohio guy.....that seems to be why he is in the mix at this point.
So with all the possible NFL assistants out there, some with BC ties, and some with recent meaningful college experience, like a Roman, how is it that Bates decided instead to consider an NFL position coach with no recent college experience, whose candidacy runs somewhat contrary to the criteria that Bates spelled out on numerous occasions, that is a guy with proven (head) coaching (and presumable college) experience other than his connection via Miami???? Does being the interim head at NO after their fiasco give him the HC experience that Bates advertised? Maybe....but it would be an off the charts choice, and yes, I think it would hurt the perception of the program and the AD, and fan interest in the football program in the short run.
Personally, I think the recruiting responsibilities of the hire is right up their in importance when you are looking at the chasm that BC is in....pulling a relative "no name" with no recent college experience from the NFL ranks is a huge gamble at a place like BC in our current depressed situation. So I gotta' question why this guy qualifies as a good choice when viewed in relation to the other names mentioned. In the college world of living rooms (i.e. of recruiting), the name Golden or Diaco certainly has more cache than the name Kromer.
DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:Kromer would get no slack. Diaco would at least get 3 years to show some life.
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