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I have watched football for 50 years....why the run and why not a FG with a great kicker.

Redemption with 1 second?

WTF?

He should be fired no matter how it turns out.

Absolute TOBlundersesque clock management.

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:He should be fired no matter how it turns out.

Absolute TOBlundersesque clock management.

I don't think he intended for his players to run out onto the field for the FG before the QB spiking it...that mat be the special teams coach fault. The run may not have been a great call but it did get his FG kicker into good range.

Was just about to start this thread, but you beat me to it.
So, you run the ball with 16 seconds left, which isn't a bad call given that the D is protecting against the home run end zone pass. At worst you get maybe a little better field position, and minimize the int risk. BUT, when you run with 16 seconds left and have no timeouts, have your guys on the same page to spike the ball immediately. How does the field goal unit think they have any business on the field for the next play?
Butch just lucked out, but that was pretty disgraceful.
And speaking of disgraceful, Tennessee's unraveling as we speak...

What a game

Then they missed a Kiwi late personal foul in the drive before the stupid run call.

The UNC RB then lies there like he is dead for 2 seconds and if there is an injury you are dead?

Butch needs to be fired.

NO FUCKING WAY YOU RUN. NONE.

I think Butch had the spike called, but one of the FG unit lineman (#71 I think) came running onto the field, which caused a few other FG linemen to think "Oh shit, we gotta get out there too."

Somewhere Les Miles is watching this game, chewing on a piece of grass and nodding his head in approval.

Eagledom {l Wrote}:

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:He should be fired no matter how it turns out.

Absolute TOBlundersesque clock management.

I don't think he intended for his players to run out onto the field for the FG before the QB spiking it...that mat be the special teams coach fault. The run may not have been a great call but it did get his FG kicker into good range.

Barth was already in good range and the penalty essentially wiped out the gain from the run. Kid's the best kicker around, let him kick and take no chances with the clock.

Wow. Absolute abortion...
Regardless of the undisciplined play on both sides, and the apparent lack of leadership, not a bad win in what was clearly a home game for TN. I loves to see me some SEC suckasses cryin' like babies on the sidelines...

74 beat me to the punch. The collective coaching minds of Spaz, Nyquil & Toby could not have done a better job of clock management at the end of regulation than Butch. At the same time, all of the above-mentioned trio, unlike Butch, would have rolled over and played dead even before taking the field against Tennessee, an SEC team that has unmatched resources we have no business trying to compete with.

Give me a break.

We all know Spaz would never have run the ball or thrown for the end zone before trying the field goal...any opinions to the contrary are invalidated upon review of the final 45 seconds of the Clemson game. This is one situation where Spaz having his balls in a jar on GDF's desk would have paid dividends comparatively to what actually happened.

UT eats a dick and so do their fans. I can guarantee you that the UNC fans didnt give any gay-ass "ACC" chants at the end of the game. They probably celebrated and then didnt have sex with any of their blood relatives.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

Eagledom {l Wrote}:

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:He should be fired no matter how it turns out.

Absolute TOBlundersesque clock management.

I don't think he intended for his players to run out onto the field for the FG before the QB spiking it...that mat be the special teams coach fault. The run may not have been a great call but it did get his FG kicker into good range.

Barth was already in good range and the penalty essentially wiped out the gain from the run. Kid's the best kicker around, let him kick and take no chances with the clock.

The run wasn't that bad - it was the fucking idiots on the FG team running onto the field that even made the clock an issue in the first place. Hell, the QB spiked the ball with a second left even after 2 seconds of trying to waive the fuckers off the field. There would have been no 5 yard penalty had they not done so. Now, as far as whether the fault of the FG team running onto the field is the head coach's or the Special Teams coach's, that's another issue.

Isn't there a runoff for a penalty by the offense with no timeouts, maybe just in the NFL, or I could be making that up completely?

Seems to me like UNC shouldn't have been rewarded with the opportunity to kick a FG for fucking up.

commavegarage {l Wrote}:Isn't there a runoff for a penalty by the offense with no timeouts, maybe just in the NFL, or I could be making that up completely?

Seems to me like UNC shouldn't have been rewarded with the opportunity to kick a FG for fucking up.

I think there is in the NFL...and it seems like ther should be more than a 5 yard penalty with no run-off when you spike the ball with 16 guys on the field.

Here's what I don't get. UNC spikes the ball with too many men on the field, and it works out in their favor. The clock still stops, and they only lose 5 yards. How many times have you seen a game or a half run out while a team tries to get lined up to spike the ball? So from now shouldn't the strategy be to snap the ball as soon as it's put down (heck have a wideout do it if a center isn't at the line yet) with no regard to whether you're lined up yet, how many players you have on the field, how many guys are still moving around? Take whatever 5 yard procedure penalty the refs give you and be able to run another play?

Eagledom {l Wrote}:

commavegarage {l Wrote}:Isn't there a runoff for a penalty by the offense with no timeouts, maybe just in the NFL, or I could be making that up completely?

Seems to me like UNC shouldn't have been rewarded with the opportunity to kick a FG for fucking up.

I think there is in the NFL...and it seems like ther should be more than a 5 yard penalty with no run-off when you spike the ball with 16 guys on the field.

This occurred to me as well...I felt like Butch caught a break with the penalty...shouldn't have been the case.

Never invite disaster with an injury and some ref not stopping the clock or anthing and yes NFL only and a 10 second runoff.

Buttercup {l Wrote}:Here's what I don't get. UNC spikes the ball with too many men on the field, and it works out in their favor. The clock still stops, and they only lose 5 yards. How many times have you seen a game or a half run out while a team tries to get lined up to spike the ball? So from now shouldn't the strategy be to snap the ball as soon as it's put down (heck have a wideout do it if a center isn't at the line yet) with no regard to whether you're lined up yet, how many players you have on the field, how many guys are still moving around? Take whatever 5 yard procedure penalty the refs give you and be able to run another play?

I have a feeling this rule will be changing soon.

A few years ago, maybe even 7 or 8, some Divsion III or II, I do not remember, a team committed a penalty or something and instead of the game being over on something they did wrong, they were given another chance and scored and it was all over the ESPN and they changed the rule since the offending team was rewarded.

I was at the bar so I was wondering what exactly happened that allowed them the opportunity to take the kick. NFL they run off 10 seconds, so the fastest show on turf couldn't hit a deep ball to Bruce and then have him hike it to Holt, who would then spike it. (its prob been around longer but for whatever reason I think of them when thinking of this scenario)

Couldn't believe it, but I'm not complaining since it helped my abysmal Bowl pick em.

Didn't know that Barth was the best kicker in the nation, did he win all the awards? I gotta agree with OJ here that running with 16 seconds is not a bad call, that should be plenty of time to spike it.

Also anyone see the UT QB after they kicked their extra point in OT?? He first did the "double choke/head chop move" then saluted into what eventually ended up as a hail hitler... There was no penalty.

Onyx Blackman {l Wrote}:I think Butch had the spike called, but one of the FG unit lineman (#71 I think) came running onto the field, which caused a few other FG linemen to think "Oh shit, we gotta get out there too."

Somewhere Les Miles is watching this game, chewing on a piece of grass and nodding his head in approval.

This is exactly as I saw it too. The idiot long snapper started jogging out there as if the clock was stopped and some other idiot linemen thought they suddenly needed to follow.

First, the sideline is Butch's responsibility and there was utter chaos there. Second, Butch couldn't get the play call in on time for the run. Yates (who had a terrible career after a once promising frosh campaign) was screaming at the sideline to call a play and then was screaming at them for calling a run. Third, calling a run there was terrible. There was a good chance that they wouldn't get the first. As a result, you are playing with fire to have the OLine get lined up in time. Even without the pandemonium, there woulda been only two more seconds left. If Droughns ran for 2 more yards (meaning the Oline had to run further to line up) or if he tried a cutback during the run, the game would end. Yates' disgust and disbelief at Davis' incompetence was priceless. His body language was that of "I am so fucking glad to be done with this clownshoes program."

HJS {l Wrote}: Yates' disgust and disbelief at Davis' incompetence was priceless. His body language was that of "I am so fucking glad to be done with this clownshoes program."

I have been critical of Yates in the past, but he had a very good year.

I don't know what was worse last night, Butch's incompetence or the Vols and their fans carrying on like toddlers.

Butch got his ass saved on the penalty, but all I was thinking was 'what is in the water in NC, with 2 of the 3 dumbest clock management coachs there' him and


and we all know that is the 3rd

commavegarage {l Wrote}:Isn't there a runoff for a penalty by the offense with no timeouts, maybe just in the NFL, or I could be making that up completely?

Seems to me like UNC shouldn't have been rewarded with the opportunity to kick a FG for fucking up.

Same exact thing I was thinking...apparently not I guess.

#73 Brennan Willliams was also involved with the colossal fuckup by the fg unit. Just watched it again on espn and no way should this happen. It was something right out of the Rolly Clown College book of idiocy.

Speaking of Brennan Williams, where did his POS father send the untalented younger son?

On a side note, I noticed Josh Adams got some "Lady Boy Polo Hat" Memorial garbage time last night.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:On a side note, I noticed Josh Adams got some "Lady Boy Polo Hat" Memorial garbage time last night.

I think he has been the starter for them all year and been seeing a ton of time. He is in the same WR package as Jones. Adams was definitely in those last two offensive series. I guess, my point is that he is a legit player for UNC.

Adams is definitely a legit player but like everything else that is UNC football the offense is dysfunctional. He is the type of player who needs to get his hands on the ball and for some reason they never distribute the ball to their receivers. UNC is more geared to going over the middle with the TE. That could be the result of the TJ Yates factor but it seems that Adams has big time talent and is being wasted.