BCEagle05 {l Wrote}:Look, I think Logan was a good OC, but it's slightly ridiculous to give him much in the way of credit for getting us to the ACCCG last year- we got there because we had a freakishly talented defense, and we got there in spite of the offense, NOT because of it.
Eagledom {l Wrote}:buconvict {l Wrote}:I think Jags' defensive coordinator set the program back 5 years when he let Maryland's backup QB Chris Turner tear BC apart with almost 500 yards of offense and 5 touchdowns.
That game sucked. But (a) it meant nothing in the big sceme of things because we still went to the ACC championship, and (b) how exactly did it set the program back 5 years?
Jags was a very good coach, but people exaggerate his accomplishments greatly. It didn't take a "great" coach to get BC to the ACC title game in 2007...and lets not forget the 2 WTF losses after BC got to 8-0. Not to mention the loss to a VERY beatable VTech team in the title game. And last year was a pretty ho-hum 9-4 year in a pretty mediocre ACC.
buconvict {l Wrote}:Eagledom {l Wrote}:buconvict {l Wrote}:I think Jags' defensive coordinator set the program back 5 years when he let Maryland's backup QB Chris Turner tear BC apart with almost 500 yards of offense and 5 touchdowns.
That game sucked. But (a) it meant nothing in the big sceme of things because we still went to the ACC championship, and (b) how exactly did it set the program back 5 years?
Jags was a very good coach, but people exaggerate his accomplishments greatly. It didn't take a "great" coach to get BC to the ACC title game in 2007...and lets not forget the 2 WTF losses after BC got to 8-0. Not to mention the loss to a VERY beatable VTech team in the title game. And last year was a pretty ho-hum 9-4 year in a pretty mediocre ACC.
BC, despite their loss to FSU, was still a top 10 program. Playing every game at night on ESPN, tons of attention, etc. Losing again, in the way they did, dumped them to 17th and allowed the Peach Bowl to pass on them. That meant the #12 team went to the stupid Champs Sports Bowl. The exposure and prestige lost in the MD blowout set the program back significantly.
buconvict {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:buconvict {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:
They're both rookies at their positions irrespective of age. If you think the Clemson loss was the result of his gameplan you're on drugs worse than Jeff Spicoli. There was no "prevent D" against Wake Forest. Skinner is a good QB and BC has no pass rush neither of which is Spaz's fault. Even with 2 first-round draft picks on the DL there wasn't much of a pass rush.
You can bitch and moan all you want about Spaz but I see improvement. He deserves more slack than he's getting.
You're kidding me right? The Clemson gameplan was ATROCIOUS. There was absolutely a prevent D against Wake. Did you watch either game? Riley Skinner may have an iconic wang, but he is not a good QB. And the defense not having a pass rush is somehow not the fault of the guy who was the defensive coordinator for a fucking decade? Really?
Read what I wrote about the Clemson game. That loss was not due to the gameplan. Clemson was better on defense, offense and special teams. Did Spaz's strategy include an OL who didn't block anyone? Did it call for the starting QB to go 4-for-20?
Anyone who's thrown for 8,000+ yards in his career on some mediocre teams is a good QB. If you want to blame Spaz for the lack of an effective pass rush last year I could agree with you but now that DL is missing 2 first-round draft picks. Would you expect it to be any better?
I can't have a discussion with someone who is this dumb. I just can't. Sorry.
talon {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:Read what I wrote about the Clemson game. That loss was not due to the gameplan. Clemson was better on defense, offense and special teams. Did Spaz's strategy include an OL who didn't block anyone? Did it call for the starting QB to go 4-for-20?
You say gameplan/scheme had nothing to do with it? So, I guess that means you think the offensive line just got together in the huddle and said "you know what would be fun to try one game? not blocking anybody!"
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