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RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:

EagleDave {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

EagleDave {l Wrote}:They'll be lucky to make the playoffs this year and going forward.

I'll bet you they make the playoffs this year.

If they do it'll be as #6. Pittsburgh, NYJ, Indy, Chargers/Chiefs, Ravens are all locks. After that is a shitastic collection of New England, Miami, Cincinnati, Houston, and Chiefs/Chargers for the last spot.

With games still to play against Miami, Jets, Ravens, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Indianapolis, San Diego and Green Bay? I bet they lose 6 of those and they need tie breakers to make the playoffs.

Pittsburgh - solid team with Rapelisberger coming back.
NYJ - overrated but very good D and OK offense. I think Pats are their equal with very good O and OK D.
Indy - D sucks but O will win games. I think the Pats are a more complete team.
Chargers - as always, way freakin' overrated. They only make it because they're in the West. They are merely OK.
Chiefs - suck, and I expect them to pull a 2009 Denver and miss the playoffs.
Ravens - probably best team in AFC.

Tough to say where this Pats team is with a developing D (with Brace filling in nicely the last few weeks) and now deficient a deep threat that I believe forced the team to gameplan around him instead of gameplanning for the entire team. I don't like losing Moss mid-season with no realistic solid WR replacement ready, but I don't mind Moss leaving from a long-term perspective. The Pats could conceivably be the 3rd best team in the AFC or the 6th. To lump them in with Cinci, Miami, Chiefs, and Chargers is stupid. The one thing that hurts the Pats in comparison to these teams is possibly the toughest schedule in the NFL.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:could i get one of you jets fans and one of you patriots fans to agree to wear your team's jersey and give each other a passionate tongue kiss?

i REALLY need the picture for threads like this.

kthxbye

EDIT - in the meantime, i'll assume brady's dad is a jets fan

cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Yep, Sanchez has played pretty well so far - he's played one good defense and went 10/21 for 74 yards.

I probably exaggerated about the suckiness of the dolphins, but that is not a good team. Their offense is not very productive, and you can run on them. That's a bad combination.

But the point is that the Dolphins are irrelevant . The Pats and Jets are both going to sweep this team.

The Jets are massively overrated. They're good, but I'm thinking they end up about 10-6. Very similar record to the Pats.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:could i get one of you jets fans and one of you patriots fans to agree to wear your team's jersey and give each other a passionate tongue kiss?

i REALLY need the picture for threads like this.

kthxbye

EDIT - in the meantime, i'll assume brady's dad is a jets fan

EagleDave {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Yeah, there must have been some sort of a blow-up, because this just doesn't make sense. The Pats need the weapons this year, because they're just going to have to outscore people sometimes. As a Bills fan, I can say that any team that we put up 30 on has some serious defensive deficiencies. (Although 7 of those were on special teams, still...)

The Pats D always gets much better as the year goes on, but yeah, this defense is young and stupid, though potentially dominant down the road. They need to score points.

The Pats defense is not going to get better this year. It's full of morons like Meriweather who are more concerned with SportsCenter than winning.

Trading Randy Moss for a mid round draft pick reeks of the "we're smarter than you!" arrogance that the Pats have been displaying the last 3 years. Same with the Richard Seymour deal. They won't keep either draft pick ultimately as they'll trade down, pick up some back up scrub, and they'll be out of the league in 4 years.

The continued downfall of the Patriots...gotta love it.

EagleDave {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:Don't think Miami sucks. NE's vaunted offense scored 6 points off of them.

That's false.

You want to say 13 cause they were able to score a TD when they got hte ball at the 12? Sure, splitting hairs.

Edit: You're right they scored 13 whoop de doo!

Plus...three opportunities for drives were ended before they started (as a result of the three non-offensive TDs). That's why the Dolphins led in Time of Possession...very misleading. Let's look at it another way: After the first two punts, the Pats' offense scored on every possession until the game was no longer in doubt in the fourth quarter. I don't think there's much to criticize in their offensive performance in that game, and I think that Miami is at best an 8-8 team.

Pats are in the same boat. Their ceiling is 10-6 but more likely 9-7. There's not much separation between them. Scoring 30 points or whatever that are directly related to special teams covers a lot of problems, but they won't get that kind of production again. EVER. And without Moss stretching the field (nobody cares about Tate unless the other team just scored and he's standing in the end zone awaiting the kickoff) Welker and the running game won't be nearly as strong.

EDIT- keep blasting the Bills all you want, they're awful, but THE Ryan Fitzpatrick threw for a billion yards and hung 30 on this supposedly talented Pats D. The Pats are closer to the Bills than they are the Jets.

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:Ravens - probably best team in AFC.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:Ravens - probably best team in AFC.

They truly should be. But, man, what the hell is up with their offense? They have a good (albeit inconsistent) QB, excellent running backs, very good WRs, a top TE, and a good O-Line. On paper, they should be able to score almost as much as the Pats do. They have a ton of weapons. If the O start producing, they become Super Bowl favorite in my book.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:You continue to overreact. The loss of one player, especially a WR, is not the difference of 2 or 3 or more wins over the course of the season. It's just not how football works.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:You continue to overreact. The loss of one player, especially a WR, is not the difference of 2 or 3 or more wins over the course of the season. It's just not how football works.

But we're screwed without Larmond!

BC '00 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:You continue to overreact. The loss of one player, especially a WR, is not the difference of 2 or 3 or more wins over the course of the season. It's just not how football works.

But we're screwed without Larmond!

This reminds me, did anyone else think that the best part of last Saturday's game was that the guy criticizing our WR corps as slow and untalented was none other than Matt Millen?

BC '00 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:You continue to overreact. The loss of one player, especially a WR, is not the difference of 2 or 3 or more wins over the course of the season. It's just not how football works.

But we're screwed without Larmond!

This reminds me, did anyone else think that the best part of last Saturday's game was that the guy criticizing our WR corps as slow and untalented was none other than Matt Millen?

cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Not that it makes that much of a difference, but It wasn't just straight up Moss for a third-rounder. It was Moss and a 2012 7th-rounder for a third-round pick.

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:

cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Not that it makes that much of a difference, but It wasn't just straight up Moss for a third-rounder. It was Moss and a 2012 7th-rounder for a third-round pick.

I didn't even know they had a 7th round.

cvilleagle {l Wrote}:

BC '00 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:You continue to overreact. The loss of one player, especially a WR, is not the difference of 2 or 3 or more wins over the course of the season. It's just not how football works.

But we're screwed without Larmond!

This reminds me, did anyone else think that the best part of last Saturday's game was that the guy criticizing our WR corps as slow and untalented was none other than Matt Millen?

Yeah, it was pointed out first in the game thread that this is high comedy given his history with WRs.

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:The Vikings cut Moss.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/11/report_randy_moss_waived_by_mi.html

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:The Vikings cut Moss.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/11/report_randy_moss_waived_by_mi.html

I won! viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7054&start=30

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:The Vikings cut Moss.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/11/report_randy_moss_waived_by_mi.html

I won! viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7054&start=30

I won because I bumped the right topic. Your post was off-topic. The two new threads were wasteful (think of the children!).

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:The Vikings cut Moss.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/11/report_randy_moss_waived_by_mi.html

I won! viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7054&start=30

I won because I bumped the right topic. Your post was off-topic. The two new threads were wasteful (think of the children!).

You lost! You lost because you're a bitch who follows the rules like a little bitch. I'm a baller. I don't give a fuck. I post what I want when I want.

Shut your ass up. BAM!

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:The Vikings cut Moss.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/11/report_randy_moss_waived_by_mi.html

I won! viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7054&start=30

I won because I bumped the right topic. Your post was off-topic. The two new threads were wasteful (think of the children!).

You lost! You lost because you're a bitch who follows the rules like a little bitch. I'm a baller. I don't give a fuck. I post what I want when I want.

Shut your ass up. BAM!

Meg: Hi, Craig. Umm, I was wondering if maybe you would want to, I don't know, go out sometime?

Craig Hoffman: Huh, that's about as likely as me playing by someone else's rules besides my own.
Which I would never do. I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own.

Meg: How 'bout a movie?

Craig: I don't go out with dudes.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

EagleDave {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:Don't think Miami sucks. NE's vaunted offense scored 6 points off of them.

That's false.

You want to say 13 cause they were able to score a TD when they got hte ball at the 12? Sure, splitting hairs.

Edit: You're right they scored 13 whoop de doo!

Plus...three opportunities for drives were ended before they started (as a result of the three non-offensive TDs). That's why the Dolphins led in Time of Possession...very misleading. Let's look at it another way: After the first two punts, the Pats' offense scored on every possession until the game was no longer in doubt in the fourth quarter. I don't think there's much to criticize in their offensive performance in that game, and I think that Miami is at best an 8-8 team.

Pats are in the same boat. Their ceiling is 10-6 but more likely 9-7. There's not much separation between them. Scoring 30 points or whatever that are directly related to special teams covers a lot of problems, but they won't get that kind of production again. EVER. And without Moss stretching the field (nobody cares about Tate unless the other team just scored and he's standing in the end zone awaiting the kickoff) Welker and the running game won't be nearly as strong.

EDIT- keep blasting the Bills all you want, they're awful, but THE Ryan Fitzpatrick threw for a billion yards and hung 30 on this supposedly talented Pats D. The Pats are closer to the Bills than they are the Jets.

You continue to overreact. The loss of one player, especially a WR, is not the difference of 2 or 3 or more wins over the course of the season. It's just not how football works. This is even more the case when that one WR is apparently willing to sabotage his season with indifference.

I'll bet you the Pats win 10 or more.

claver2010 {l Wrote}:Just because this board has been dead for a while:

Braylon Edwards: 29-512-5
Randy Moss: 23-339-5

Over their careers Moss has been better no question but this year Braylon has been much better esp considering Moss has had 2 HOF QBs throwing to him while Braylon has a "terrible QB"