Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:45 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:AtlEagle,

there are two simple answers to the media spin.

The media is not spinning anything. Quarterback has been THE PROBLEM since the first day of camp. If it wasn't THE PROBLEM, then we would have had a starter named by week one (or at least by week three.)

We still don't have a definative starter named. That is because the coaches know what they have known since day one, we don't have a QB.


You are an idiot. He is talking about the coaches' spin TO the media, jackass.

And I was say that having your line be awesome and then go to crap is a far bigger problem that not having a QB and still not having a QB. The former is much more indicative of a core problem. A freshman QB is a freshman QB. Going from the best line in the conference to the worst is a nightmare.

And you still haven't named a freshman QB that is allowed to audible.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby BCFAN94 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:46 pm

Tuggle had some passes dropped and two of the ints weren't really bad, one was a tip the other was a long bomb/punt. But, he did sail a few passes and I didn't think his decision making was so hot. But, I just think Spaz needs to pick a guy and stick with it. At this point I don't care which one it is.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby tallsy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:12 pm

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:there are two simple answers to the media spin.

A. They know the line is the problem but admitting it fully publicly would point the blame at the coaches for screwing up a good thing

or

B. They really do think QB is the issue.

We are screwed either way but I hope it it A. Then there is at least a chance we will win. TOB never met an excuse or a scapegoat he didn't like but even he could get 6 wins out of this talent.


This worries me more because it's certainly not A. No one in the Boston or national media is going to hold them accountable. Spaz could announce that he's purposely wrecking the program and it might be a small blurb in the Globe and Herald. One of the benefits of this job is that no one is going to hold your feet to the fire. (It's one of the reasons I thought we had a (slight) chance of a Fulmer or Tuberville.)
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:22 pm

Was Justin Tuggle the reason we only netted 54 yards?

Justin Tuggle was the reason we only had 23 yards passing and 3 INTs. Because that was the MOST we could have gotten out of Tuggle, Sweeney removed Harris and Haden from the equation by loading the line (in effect, challenging Tuggle to step up.) He couldn't. Of course he couldn't, he is not a QB. Dabo knew this. That is called good coaching.

How did GT put up yards on Clemson when their QB went 3-14 with 2 INTs?

How? GT Special teams play (2 TDs), and one run, the second play from the line of scrimmage. We both watched that game. Remember, the game was 24-0 before Clemson even started to play in the game. It looked as if Tech was going to win 80 to nothing.

Then Clemson's defense decided to stop the run (at all costs) allowing Tech's QB to take over which of course, he couldn't. Clemson exposed GT's QB for what he was, someone who is NOT a QB. Miami took that information and ran with it when they played them the following Thursday Night. Unfortunately, Clemson's defense was just exausted and run down to nothing when Tech was able to turn the corner and finish them off 30-27.

We have a weakness (QB). We have strengths (running QB, running backs, offensive line).

Our weakness is much too weak for any of the strengths to be of any use. Dabo Sweeney was aware of this weakness on Saturday, a weakness that 90% of this board refuses to acknowledge (out of pride, arrogance, or stupidity.) Hopefully, this glaring weakness will not appear all that weak on Saturday vs Wake Forest and their smallish/slower D-linemen. Having said that, I expect that BC will look very weak vs FSU and VPI.

Did our gameplan maximize our strengths? Did our gameplan catch Clemson off guard? Did our offense look well prepared in any aspect?

The answer to all those questions is no. Where the (current) coaching staff most failed this team, is not putting Tuggle into an offense from which he could contribute. But even that is not the biggest reason for the loss. The biggest failure rests with the recruiting. They don't have a QB. Asking Tuggle to go out there and win that game is like Spaz asking you or I to go out there and win that game. We are not qualified. Neither is Tuggle. And apparently, neither is Shinskie or Marscovetra.

On any other BCS team (under normal circumstances) where you actually have a BCS level QB or two on the roster, Tuggle's and Shinskie's scholarships might be revoked.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby talon on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:27 pm

How many hours did Tugg Speedman spend observing you and taking notes before he shot the movie simple jack?
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:34 pm

Talon, this really isn't all that complex of an issue.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby Eagledom on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:37 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Was Justin Tuggle the reason we only netted 54 yards?

Justin Tuggle was the reason we only had 23 yards passing and 3 INTs. Because that was the MOST we could have gotten out of Tuggle, Sweeney removed Harris and Haden from the equation by loading the line (in effect, challenging Tuggle to step up.) He couldn't. Of course he couldn't, he is not a QB. Dabo knew this. That is called good coaching.

How did GT put up yards on Clemson when their QB went 3-14 with 2 INTs?

How? GT Special teams play (2 TDs), and one run, the second play from the line of scrimmage. We both watched that game. Remember, the game was 24-0 before Clemson even started to play in the game. It looked as if Tech was going to win 80 to nothing.

Then Clemson's defense decided to stop the run (at all costs) allowing Tech's QB to take over which of course, he couldn't. Clemson exposed GT's QB for what he was, someone who is NOT a QB. Miami took that information and ran with it when they played them the following Thursday Night. Unfortunately, Clemson's defense was just exausted and run down to nothing when Tech was able to turn the corner and finish them off 30-27.

We have a weakness (QB). We have strengths (running QB, running backs, offensive line).

Our weakness is much too weak for any of the strengths to be of any use. Dabo Sweeney was aware of this weakness on Saturday, a weakness that 90% of this board refuses to acknowledge (out of pride, arrogance, or stupidity.) Hopefully, this glaring weakness will not appear all that weak on Saturday vs Wake Forest and their smallish/slower D-linemen. Having said that, I expect that BC will look very weak vs FSU and VPI.

Did our gameplan maximize our strengths? Did our gameplan catch Clemson off guard? Did our offense look well prepared in any aspect?

The answer to all those questions is no. Where the (current) coaching staff most failed this team, is not putting Tuggle into an offense from which he could contribute. But even that is not the biggest reason for the loss. The biggest failure rests with the recruiting. They don't have a QB. Asking Tuggle to go out there and win that game is like Spaz asking you or I to go out there and win that game. We are not qualified. Neither is Tuggle. And apparently, neither is Shinskie or Marscovetra.

On any other BCS team (under normal circumstances) where you actually have a BCS level QB or two on the roster, Tuggle's and Shinskie's scholarships might be revoked.


You watched a different game than me - that is the only conclusion I can come to. The coaching staff kept trying to run into a brick wall rather than challenging the 8 man front. Tuggle may or may not be a good QB, but we couldn't tell from this game because the coaches and the OLine completely failed him
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:42 pm

The coaching staff kept trying to run into a brick wall rather than challenging the 8 man front.

That is simply not true. The coaching staff had Tuggle throw the ball 20 times. And in 7 of those cases, the ball was actually caught by someone. Unfortunately, 3 of those caught balls were to players in Orange jerseys.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby h2o on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:45 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:The coaching staff kept trying to run into a brick wall rather than challenging the 8 man front.

That is simply not true. The coaching staff had Tuggle throw the ball 20 times. And in 7 of those cases, the ball was actually caught by someone. Unfortunately, 3 of those caught balls were to players in Orange jerseys.


How many of those pass attempts were made on 1st down? How many on 3rd and long? The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance because the coaching staff never gave him one.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby Byrdcall J on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:53 pm

h2o {l Wrote}:How many of those pass attempts were made on 1st down? How many on 3rd and long? The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance because the coaching staff never gave him one.


Fucking this. The gameplan sucked and if what Tuggle was doing was ineffective, it's up to the staff to adjust. Dive, Dive, Heave wasn't working out.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:54 pm

The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance because the coaching staff never gave him one.

The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance. That is all you needed to say to make that a correct statement. The prepositional phrase at the end of your sentence adds no value to the sentence's credibility.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby h2o on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:56 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance because the coaching staff never gave him one.

The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance. That is all you needed to say to make that a correct statement. The prepositional phrase at the end of your sentence adds no value to the sentence's credibility.


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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby bcfanbetweenthhedges on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:25 pm

Tuggle's QB position may be short lived. not his BC career
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby b0mberMan on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:27 pm

bcfanbetweenthhedges {l Wrote}:Tuggle's QB position may be short lived. not his BC career


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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby Heights on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:56 pm

They completely changed their entire blocking philosophy 180 degrees this year and have had to stat from scratch with the O-Line, so I can see poster's points on that issue, but still I'd put in a QB who is suited to the system regardless of experience. Someone who can make the basic short timing throws even if they can't throw 70 yards downfield.

He didn't have alot of time, but neither did he make accurate throws on the quick routes when he saw the pressure was going to come. That's a bad sign. Maybe he'll be the guy in the future, but not where the team is now and the line is apparently still adjusting to the new blocking scheme (I don't think that's excusable, but may be a fact).
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby BC923 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:02 pm

This new blocking system requires a skilled fullback. We don't have that. Let alone a healthy true fullback. what the hell was :tranq thinking.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby Heights on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:06 pm

Great coaches don't sit back and tell fans to wait for players that fit the system, they make the most out of what they have. Sure don't see that yet, is Tranquil a one-trick pony?
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby apbc12 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:43 pm

InnocentRetard didn't even watch the fucking game, now he's in here spouting off like some expert. Innocent, you fucking moron, we could've had Joe Montana in his prime under center on Saturday, and he probably would've gone 11-24 for 50 yards and 2 INTs. It doesn't matter who plays quarterback when the defensive line gets through so quickly they can almost steal the snap. Don't pin this on Tuggle just because you've been swallowing "David"'s seed all off-season.

And try watching the games. Box scores are not an adequate substitute.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:44 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Talon, this really isn't all that complex of an issue.


The why don't you understand it?
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:48 pm

apbc12 {l Wrote}:InnocentRetard didn't even watch the fucking game, now he's in here spouting off like some expert. Innocent, you fucking moron, we could've had Joe Montana in his prime under center on Saturday, and he probably would've gone 11-24 for 50 yards and 2 INTs. It doesn't matter who plays quarterback when the defensive line gets through so quickly they can almost steal the snap. Don't pin this on Tuggle just because you've been swallowing "David"'s seed all off-season.

And try watching the games. Box scores are not an adequate substitute.


Not to mention that the stupid fuckers could solve this problem in two seconds by going back to Logan's playbook. They have the perfect personnel for that offense. The Justin Tuggle I see would be moving the ball for Logan. Instead of fucking trying to design an offense for two stiff QBs that aren't ready, use the QB you have.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby BCEagle74 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:51 pm

Heights {l Wrote}:Great coaches don't sit back and tell fans to wait for players that fit the system, they make the most out of what they have. Sure don't see that yet, is Tranquil a one-trick pony?


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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby TampaDoubleEagle on Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:18 am

h2o {l Wrote}:
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:The coaching staff kept trying to run into a brick wall rather than challenging the 8 man front.

That is simply not true. The coaching staff had Tuggle throw the ball 20 times. And in 7 of those cases, the ball was actually caught by someone. Unfortunately, 3 of those caught balls were to players in Orange jerseys.


How many of those pass attempts were made on 1st down? How many on 3rd and long? The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance because the coaching staff never gave him one.


Before the 1st lightning delay . . . two on 1st down, one of which was the first play of the game, complete for 8 yards. The other wasn't until early in the third quarter, when Tuggle fluttered the ball to Anderson who was unable to hold on after being hit while trying to catch the ball. As for 3rd and long (I'll define long as more than 4)? We had 6 such situations before the 1st delay, one of which occurred during Shinskie's cameo. On those 5 plays, we attempted to pass 3 times. One of those times Tuggle held the ball and ended up scrambling. The other two passes were both incomplete. Once Clemson bailed us out with pass interference. The other Gunnell dropped, but it would not have counted anyway because he ran his route out of bounds.

Before the 1st lightning delay, we called 13 pass plays with Tuggle and 2 with Shinskie. Tuggle attempted 12 passes, Shinskie 1 (complete for 2 yards to Anderson). Of those 12 actual pass attempts by Tuggle, 2 were complete. Of the other 10, by my subjective count 3 were just terrible throws (1 of which was picked), 1 was a bad double-clutch that caused an interception, 1 was knocked down at the line, 2 were dropped, 1 was thrown away, and 2 were broken up.

Here are the pass plays we called for Tuggle by down and distance:
1-10 (complete for 8)
2-2 (dropped)
3-2 (broken up)
3-9 (overthrown, PI)
2-9 (intercepted)
3-4 (overthrown)
2-9 (completed screen for loss of 7)
2-13 (thrown away, holding)
2-25 (blocked at line)
3-6 (scramble, sacked)
3-5 (dropped)
1-10 (broken up)
2-10 (intercepted)

He was not hit or even really hurried much except on the one play where he scrambled. Our laughable excuse for an offensive line actually did a decent job of pass protection for Tuggle. It was on rushing plays that they shat the bed. So the line is not a justification for Tuggle's struggles. He just doesn't seem to be much of a QB.

Truth be told, he reminds me quite a bit of Crane. Weak arm, good runner, spotty decision-making. But Shinskie does NOT remind me of Davis. He reminds me more of Quinton Porter. (Ouch!) I'm not sure which is worse. I do know that if our offensive line doesn't remember how to run-block, none of it matters.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby b0mberMan on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:42 am

TampaDoubleEagle {l Wrote}:He was not hit or even really hurried much except on the one play where he scrambled. Our laughable excuse for an offensive line actually did a decent job of pass protection for Tuggle. It was on rushing plays that they shat the bed. So the line is not a justification for Tuggle's struggles. He just doesn't seem to be much of a QB.

Truth be told, he reminds me quite a bit of Crane. Weak arm, good runner, spotty decision-making. But Shinskie does NOT remind me of Davis. He reminds me more of Quinton Porter. (Ouch!) I'm not sure which is worse. I do know that if our offensive line doesn't remember how to run-block, none of it matters.


1 - what game were you watching where the OL gave Tuggle time to play?

2 - what QB named Crane did you watch last year that had a weak arm?
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby h2o on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:57 am

TampaDoubleEagle {l Wrote}:Here are the pass plays we called for Tuggle by down and distance:
1-10 (complete for 8)
2-2 (dropped)
3-2 (broken up)
3-9 (overthrown, PI)
2-9 (intercepted)
3-4 (overthrown)
2-9 (completed screen for loss of 7)
2-13 (thrown away, holding)
2-25 (blocked at line)
3-6 (scramble, sacked)
3-5 (dropped)
1-10 (broken up)
2-10 (intercepted)

He was not hit or even really hurried much except on the one play where he scrambled. Our laughable excuse for an offensive line actually did a decent job of pass protection for Tuggle. It was on rushing plays that they shat the bed. So the line is not a justification for Tuggle's struggles.


So we threw 2 times on 1st down, nice play calling, it really kept Clemson's D guessing all game. To claim the Oline played no part in the difficulties the QB's had is moronic.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby ATLeagle on Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:07 am

TampaDoubleEagle {l Wrote}:
h2o {l Wrote}:
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:The coaching staff kept trying to run into a brick wall rather than challenging the 8 man front.

That is simply not true. The coaching staff had Tuggle throw the ball 20 times. And in 7 of those cases, the ball was actually caught by someone. Unfortunately, 3 of those caught balls were to players in Orange jerseys.


How many of those pass attempts were made on 1st down? How many on 3rd and long? The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance because the coaching staff never gave him one.


Before the 1st lightning delay . . . two on 1st down, one of which was the first play of the game, complete for 8 yards. The other wasn't until early in the third quarter, when Tuggle fluttered the ball to Anderson who was unable to hold on after being hit while trying to catch the ball. As for 3rd and long (I'll define long as more than 4)? We had 6 such situations before the 1st delay, one of which occurred during Shinskie's cameo. On those 5 plays, we attempted to pass 3 times. One of those times Tuggle held the ball and ended up scrambling. The other two passes were both incomplete. Once Clemson bailed us out with pass interference. The other Gunnell dropped, but it would not have counted anyway because he ran his route out of bounds.

Before the 1st lightning delay, we called 13 pass plays with Tuggle and 2 with Shinskie. Tuggle attempted 12 passes, Shinskie 1 (complete for 2 yards to Anderson). Of those 12 actual pass attempts by Tuggle, 2 were complete. Of the other 10, by my subjective count 3 were just terrible throws (1 of which was picked), 1 was a bad double-clutch that caused an interception, 1 was knocked down at the line, 2 were dropped, 1 was thrown away, and 2 were broken up.

Here are the pass plays we called for Tuggle by down and distance:
1-10 (complete for 8)
2-2 (dropped)
3-2 (broken up)
3-9 (overthrown, PI)
2-9 (intercepted)
3-4 (overthrown)
2-9 (completed screen for loss of 7)
2-13 (thrown away, holding)
2-25 (blocked at line)
3-6 (scramble, sacked)
3-5 (dropped)
1-10 (broken up)
2-10 (intercepted)

He was not hit or even really hurried much except on the one play where he scrambled. Our laughable excuse for an offensive line actually did a decent job of pass protection for Tuggle. It was on rushing plays that they shat the bed. So the line is not a justification for Tuggle's struggles. He just doesn't seem to be much of a QB.

Truth be told, he reminds me quite a bit of Crane. Weak arm, good runner, spotty decision-making. But Shinskie does NOT remind me of Davis. He reminds me more of Quinton Porter. (Ouch!) I'm not sure which is worse. I do know that if our offensive line doesn't remember how to run-block, none of it matters.


Tuggle wasn't great but seven of those incompletes were drops and/or hit our WRs in the hands. The first INT was a tipped ball and wasn't his fault.
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby hansen on Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:26 am

TampaDoubleEagle {l Wrote}:
h2o {l Wrote}:
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:The coaching staff kept trying to run into a brick wall rather than challenging the 8 man front.

That is simply not true. The coaching staff had Tuggle throw the ball 20 times. And in 7 of those cases, the ball was actually caught by someone. Unfortunately, 3 of those caught balls were to players in Orange jerseys.


How many of those pass attempts were made on 1st down? How many on 3rd and long? The game plan was horrific and the kid didn't stand a chance because the coaching staff never gave him one.


Before the 1st lightning delay . . . two on 1st down, one of which was the first play of the game, complete for 8 yards. The other wasn't until early in the third quarter, when Tuggle fluttered the ball to Anderson who was unable to hold on after being hit while trying to catch the ball. As for 3rd and long (I'll define long as more than 4)? We had 6 such situations before the 1st delay, one of which occurred during Shinskie's cameo. On those 5 plays, we attempted to pass 3 times. One of those times Tuggle held the ball and ended up scrambling. The other two passes were both incomplete. Once Clemson bailed us out with pass interference. The other Gunnell dropped, but it would not have counted anyway because he ran his route out of bounds.

Before the 1st lightning delay, we called 13 pass plays with Tuggle and 2 with Shinskie. Tuggle attempted 12 passes, Shinskie 1 (complete for 2 yards to Anderson). Of those 12 actual pass attempts by Tuggle, 2 were complete. Of the other 10, by my subjective count 3 were just terrible throws (1 of which was picked), 1 was a bad double-clutch that caused an interception, 1 was knocked down at the line, 2 were dropped, 1 was thrown away, and 2 were broken up.

Here are the pass plays we called for Tuggle by down and distance:
1-10 (complete for 8)
2-2 (dropped)
3-2 (broken up)
3-9 (overthrown, PI)
2-9 (intercepted)
3-4 (overthrown)
2-9 (completed screen for loss of 7)
2-13 (thrown away, holding)
2-25 (blocked at line)
3-6 (scramble, sacked)
3-5 (dropped)
1-10 (broken up)
2-10 (intercepted)

He was not hit or even really hurried much except on the one play where he scrambled. Our laughable excuse for an offensive line actually did a decent job of pass protection for Tuggle. It was on rushing plays that they shat the bed. So the line is not a justification for Tuggle's struggles. He just doesn't seem to be much of a QB.

Truth be told, he reminds me quite a bit of Crane. Weak arm, good runner, spotty decision-making. But Shinskie does NOT remind me of Davis. He reminds me more of Quinton Porter. (Ouch!) I'm not sure which is worse. I do know that if our offensive line doesn't remember how to run-block, none of it matters.


i'd take quintina over davis anyday...
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby hansen on Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:27 am

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:
bcfanbetweenthhedges {l Wrote}:Tuggle's QB position may be short lived. not his BC career


What happened to center-justified posts?


what was the deal with the center-justified posts?
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby innocentbystander on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:18 am

He was not hit or even really hurried much except on the one play where he scrambled. Our laughable excuse for an offensive line actually did a decent job of pass protection for Tuggle. It was on rushing plays that they shat the bed. So the line is not a justification for Tuggle's struggles. He just doesn't seem to be much of a QB.

Thank you TDE for the voice of reason.

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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby HJS on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:18 am

Heights {l Wrote}:Great coaches don't sit back and tell fans to wait for players that fit the system, they make the most out of what they have. Sure don't see that yet, is Tranquil a one-trick pony?

The best part is that when Spaz hired Tranq he said he picked a guy who was a great teacher and who catered his schemes to fit his personnel. Lie... LIE... LIE!!!
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Re: Is Spaz ready to declare the Tuggle era over?

Postby hansen on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:30 am

HJS {l Wrote}:
Heights {l Wrote}:Great coaches don't sit back and tell fans to wait for players that fit the system, they make the most out of what they have. Sure don't see that yet, is Tranquil a one-trick pony?

The best part is that when Spaz hired Tranq he said he picked a guy who was a great teacher and who catered his schemes to fit his personnel. Lie... LIE... LIE!!!


i'm glad someone remembers that besides me. that's what pisses me off even more about :tranq. :lame
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