Clemson is -7

[MilitantEagle]

Newsflash to Teh Clemson. You have two guys that are faster than anyone on the field. Across the board, however, BC is just as fast as you. And they play 11 on 11, not 2 on 2.

That's just not true.

It most definitely is true.

I would love to see a race matching up these units:

Clemson WRs versus ours. Maybe Billie Flutie can pull it out, I don't know.
Clemson LBs versus ours. Mike Morrissey anybody?
WRS and so on.

They are faster.

You pick our 7th WR and 8th LB to make your point?

I've seen BC twice and Clemson once. Kuechly and LeGrande will be the two fastest LBs on the field Saturday. Anb while Jacoby Ford has world class speed, and would win a race, I'll take Larmond, Lee and Gunnell.

Plus, BC has two very large, very fast safeties lurking for the actual football game.

I love our defensive backfield. It is the best I have ever seen at Chestnut Hill. That is why I think we have a chance to win despite our DL being suspect and the youth at LB.

But come on, tw. Players 1-85?? BC would not win that track meet.

Thank GOD we're playing a football game, then.

This argument is stupid. If Ford and Spiller get into space, yes, they are going to do damage. Same can be said for Larmond, Lee, Haden, Smith, etc. But it's not as if we'll be tripping over our feet left and right to catch up to these guys.

Our clemson friend here said that 1) their Oline is suspect and 2) they've been running between the tacklets more. Great. The last few years, I feel like that combo has helped us contain Spiller. When he goes outside, he's more of a threat for us.

GT's secondary did a piss poor job of covering Ford, and as such when he got open Parker got it to him. Our experience on defense is in the secondary. And Ford's a small guy. Let Davis or Bowman pop him in the mouth a few times and see what does when he gets rattled. That doesn't happen too often at track meets.

We'll be fine. This game won't be a blowout because we can't beat Clemson in a track meet.

I never said that. That was not my point. I was simply contesting tw's point that we have as much team speed.

Of course I think we will be fine. I basically said the same thing in my last post: "I love our defensive backfield. It is the best I have ever seen at Chestnut Hill. That is why I think we have a chance to win despite our DL being suspect and the youth at LB" - MilitantEagle

[AdamBC]

If Ford and Spiller get into space, yes, they are going to do damage.

[twballgame9]

If Ford and Spiller get into space, yes, they are going to do damage.

I just spit my coffee.

[apbc12]

Thank GOD we're playing a football game, then.


I never said that. That was not my point. I was simply contesting tw's point that we have as much team speed.


That's exactly the point. Team speed is not measured on a track. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the field is, watch the games. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the track is, watch the preseason workouts. Running a 10-second 100 is spectacular, but it means a lot less when you're trying to catch a football and change directions while someone's trying to knock you into next week. Are Clemson's wide receiver's faster in a straight line? Almost certainly. Would you rather have Clemson's wide receivers or BC's? Is CJ Spiller faster than Montel Harris? Undoubtedly. Would you rather have CJ Spiller or Montel Harris if you needed a yard and a half for a late first down?

[b0mberMan]

I will say this for Ford, for our Clemson fan. I'm not downgrading him at all in this discussion. He's a useful weapon out there and I'd take him on BC. Just he's not superman because he's a track star.

[twballgame9]

Thank GOD we're playing a football game, then.


I never said that. That was not my point. I was simply contesting tw's point that we have as much team speed.


That's exactly the point. Team speed is not measured on a track. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the field is, watch the games. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the track is, watch the preseason workouts. Running a 10-second 100 is spectacular, but it means a lot less when you're trying to catch a football and change directions while someone's trying to knock you into next week. Are Clemson's wide receiver's faster in a straight line? Almost certainly. Would you rather have Clemson's wide receivers or BC's? Is CJ Spiller faster than Montel Harris? Undoubtedly. Would you rather have CJ Spiller or Montel Harris if you needed a yard and a half for a late first down?

I'm taking it one step further, although I definitely agree with your point and think Militant would as well. I'm saying that, removing Spiller, Ford and Smith from the equation, there is no distinct difference between either teams' regular speed.

[MilitantEagle]

Thank GOD we're playing a football game, then.


I never said that. That was not my point. I was simply contesting tw's point that we have as much team speed.


That's exactly the point. Team speed is not measured on a track. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the field is, watch the games. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the track is, watch the preseason workouts. Running a 10-second 100 is spectacular, but it means a lot less when you're trying to catch a football and change directions while someone's trying to knock you into next week. Are Clemson's wide receiver's faster in a straight line? Almost certainly. Would you rather have Clemson's wide receivers or BC's? Is CJ Spiller faster than Montel Harris? Undoubtedly. Would you rather have CJ Spiller or Montel Harris if you needed a yard and a half for a late first down?

i don't know if you are disagreeing with me or not, but my point is simple. BC is good at football. BC is not as fast Clemson. The latter will not impact the game as much as the former.

[apbc12]

Thank GOD we're playing a football game, then.


I never said that. That was not my point. I was simply contesting tw's point that we have as much team speed.


That's exactly the point. Team speed is not measured on a track. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the field is, watch the games. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the track is, watch the preseason workouts. Running a 10-second 100 is spectacular, but it means a lot less when you're trying to catch a football and change directions while someone's trying to knock you into next week. Are Clemson's wide receiver's faster in a straight line? Almost certainly. Would you rather have Clemson's wide receivers or BC's? Is CJ Spiller faster than Montel Harris? Undoubtedly. Would you rather have CJ Spiller or Montel Harris if you needed a yard and a half for a late first down?

I'm taking it one step further, although I definitely agree with your point and think Militant would as well. I'm saying that, removing Spiller, Ford and Smith from the equation, there is no distinct difference between either teams' regular speed.

I didn't finish the thought, but I both agree and disagree. I would absolutely believe that on a track, or running the 40, Clemson has better speed. But football speed is more important, and on a football field, I think BC is much closer, if not equal.

[innocentbystander]

I don't really think there is any difference in speed between Clemson and BC (not enough difference that would mean that one must win and the other must lose.) If you remove Wake Forest, Duke, and probably UVa from the equation, then all of the ACC schools are probably pretty comperable to each other in speed (particularly on defense.) We all recruit the same level of athlete.

The BC is slower than <insert random ACC team here> argument was being made back in 2005 (BC's first year in the conferance) just before the BC-FSU game. The people who were making that argument did so in response to BC's overwhelming size advantage over FSU (which as it turns out, was not so overwhelming.) The Atlantic was always going to be FSU's Thoroughbreds vs BC's Clydesdales. The results? BC and FSU have split 4 games over 4 years, the visiting team always winning. And these victories/losses were not a result of one team being faster or bigger than the other. Often victory or loss was a result of the team that made (or didn't make) the most big plays.

It is foolish for any of us to sit here and talk about one team being faster than the other and use that as an excuse for anything (particularly in the ACC.) Everyone in our conferance goes 6-6, 7-5, or 8-4, losing to ACC teams that lose to other ACC teams that wind up losing to them (see 2008 where BC beat FSU which beat Clemson which beat BC.) And the two teams that go to Florida in early December go 5-3 (or if they are lucky, 6-2) in conferance play. That is the balance of the Atlantic Coast Conferance.

Ours is not the Big Ten where everyone just appoints either Penn State or Ohio State to win the conferance, simply because they are so much better. Teams are too close to each other in talent in the ACC.

[twballgame9]

Thank GOD we're playing a football game, then.


I never said that. That was not my point. I was simply contesting tw's point that we have as much team speed.


That's exactly the point. Team speed is not measured on a track. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the field is, watch the games. If you want to know who the fastest guy on the track is, watch the preseason workouts. Running a 10-second 100 is spectacular, but it means a lot less when you're trying to catch a football and change directions while someone's trying to knock you into next week. Are Clemson's wide receiver's faster in a straight line? Almost certainly. Would you rather have Clemson's wide receivers or BC's? Is CJ Spiller faster than Montel Harris? Undoubtedly. Would you rather have CJ Spiller or Montel Harris if you needed a yard and a half for a late first down?

I'm taking it one step further, although I definitely agree with your point and think Militant would as well. I'm saying that, removing Spiller, Ford and Smith from the equation, there is no distinct difference between either teams' regular speed.

I didn't finish the thought, but I both agree and disagree. I would absolutely believe that on a track, or running the 40, Clemson has better speed. But football speed is more important, and on a football field, I think BC is much closer, if not equal.

I am not disputing that they would win on a track, just saying that it would be a ton closer than everyone makes out. And I agree, on the football field that difference is wiped out.

[RegalBCeagle]

The rest of the country puts teams like Teh Clemson and Notre Dame in the preseason Top 25 Rankings, and leaves teams like BC out. By the end of the season, more often than not, teams like Teh Clemson and Notre Dame are not ranked in the Top 25, while BC usually is. The rest of the country is always spot on.

In other news, this thread is dying for Observer College's $.02.

[b0mberMan]

The Clemson fans are plenty high on this game because of Parker and Dabo. Both change of paces from the last few years. Still not ready to decide on either. I know the inclination is to downgrade Dabo for being relatively inexperienced in coaching, but if he's a great seller, motivator, and has good assistants around him, then I'd say he's set up to succeed. Don't know much about his assistants, though.

Parker has some good tools and I'd be happy with that guy as a RS frosh. I will say that they kept showing him on the sidelines at the end of the GT game, as GT drove for the score. Just standing there, watching it unfold. Not talking with his offense or with his coordinators. Wondered what that was about. Seemed passive, and doesn't bode well for the big moment. But I could be reading too much into it.

[billyshelby]

If BC is really as fast, across the board, as Clemson, than all of you are right, and the rest of the country is wrong, because if Clemson doesn't have an advantage in speed and athleticism, They will lose, no question. If your gameplan is around being quicker and faster, and you're not, than you typically lose

The rest of the country is always wrong about BC's speed and athleticism. That's (a) because they never watch them play and (b) why they are so shocked when BC ends up beating Clemson and FSU for the division back to back years. BC's speed is only getting better from the last 4 games.

I think this is a pick em game, with a slight edge to Clemson at home. But that is because of BC's lack of experience at QB and LB, not because of speed. But, if as you say, Clemson is no longer focused on screens, then the LB thing worries me less.

I don't care what Clemson did in it's first two games. They're going to run a lot of screens. They want to challenge our LB's and DE's, not our secondary. Unless Dabo is an idiot which is a possibility.

[innocentbystander]

Request for bomberman: if you are going to have a Saved by the Bell avatar, could it at least be that hottie porn-chick from Showgirls?

[b0mberMan]

It's a tribute to the AC Club, which was our first step in organized revolution against the zman

[twballgame9]

If BC is really as fast, across the board, as Clemson, than all of you are right, and the rest of the country is wrong, because if Clemson doesn't have an advantage in speed and athleticism, They will lose, no question. If your gameplan is around being quicker and faster, and you're not, than you typically lose

The rest of the country is always wrong about BC's speed and athleticism. That's (a) because they never watch them play and (b) why they are so shocked when BC ends up beating Clemson and FSU for the division back to back years. BC's speed is only getting better from the last 4 games.

I think this is a pick em game, with a slight edge to Clemson at home. But that is because of BC's lack of experience at QB and LB, not because of speed. But, if as you say, Clemson is no longer focused on screens, then the LB thing worries me less.

I don't care what Clemson did in it's first two games. They're going to run a lot of screens. They want to challenge our LB's and DE's, not our secondary. Unless Dabo is an idiot which is a possibility.

I agree. I am just going off of what TEH CLEMSON people are telling us.

[Onyx Blackman]

Gina Gershon wasn't on Saved by the Bell.

[b0mberMan]

Gina Gershon wasn't on Saved by the Bell.

Gina Gershon? I thought he was talking Violet Bickerstaff, who wasn't in Showgirls:

[talon]

What about Nurse Jennifer? Or that chick wrestler, Kristy Barnes?

[cut68]

I'm not saying we won't throw any screens. With Spiller and Ford on your team it makes sense to try a few. But you won't see anywhere near what we've done the past 3 years. Rob Spence was convinced that the offense should always be based around the bubble screen and should only be deviated from if it made no sense to do so. This team is more of a between the tackles and then go vertical offense than we ever where under Bowden. I wouldn't say that the Oline as a whole is suspect, I would say we're vulnerable to the edge rush on one side. Other than that, the Oline actually played pretty well last week. When we replaced the right tackle, the offense really started moving

[innocentbystander]

Someone please put up a picture of Elizabeth Berkley.

[twballgame9]

[talon]

Someone please put up a picture of Elizabeth Berkley.

http://tinyurl.com/ovc9r8

[twballgame9]

I'm not saying we won't throw any screens. With Spiller and Ford on your team it makes sense to try a few. But you won't see anywhere near what we've done the past 3 years. Rob Spence was convinced that the offense should always be based around the bubble screen and should only be deviated from if it made no sense to do so. This team is more of a between the tackles and then go vertical offense than we ever where under Bowden. I wouldn't say that the Oline as a whole is suspect, I would say we're vulnerable to the edge rush on one side. Other than that, the Oline actually played pretty well last week. When we replaced the right tackle, the offense really started moving

I like to play teams that throw vertically and run between the tackles. BC's weaknesses on defense are setting the edge on perimeter runs (leaving the LBs and strong corners to come up and tackle) and dink and dunk passing attacks that look for the short passing areas in the zone. Because BC has gotten a lot faster, the latter is less of a concern, but they are still young at LB.

[Endless Mike]

If Ford and Spiller get into space, yes, they are going to do damage.

Post of the day. Do we have a post of the day function yet?

[b0mberMan]

If Ford and Spiller get into space, yes, they are going to do damage.

Post of the day. Do we have a post of the day function yet?

If we implement one, I'd like to see it restrict user to one Post of the Day nominee per 24 hours period. No more of this "Endless Mike Cake and Ice Cream for everyone" post of the day crap.

[hansen]

If Ford and Spiller get into space, yes, they are going to do damage.

Post of the day. Do we have a post of the day function yet?

if we got a post of the day module for the board, can we make the nominees publicly available for others to see. i hated how the zman only made the results available to people on his über-ghey, über-secret board.

[AdamBC]

Good thing I checked this feature out.... there's a new studsandduds post on EI:

Posted: Today 12:46 PM
RE: Where is Everyone?
(blows out)this is like askin if a gorrilla would win versuse a bear i think about this question for a few weeks around Haraween and i be honest to say that i couldn't come up with who would be winner. at first i say it was teh grilla because he could fly off a vines but then I cant help but think that maybe that bear just bite him and that is all he wrote. what a dlema.

We need to ensure studs comes over to EO.

[clemsontigers03]

i think that if clemson defense makes stops and forces turnovers they will dominate. Clemson will make some plays on special teams using there team speed. Also i think parker will make some good throws downfield to move the chains.

I think if BC makes stops, forces turnovers and makes special teams plays with their team speed they will dominate. I also think that the team that scores the most points will win and that they won't need to turn the lights on because it will be a day game.

thats the thing BC does not have the type of team speed to keep up with clemson. while their offensive and d-line are big and physical, they don't have the same speed they had a year ago.

[twballgame9]

i think that if clemson defense makes stops and forces turnovers they will dominate. Clemson will make some plays on special teams using there team speed. Also i think parker will make some good throws downfield to move the chains.

I think if BC makes stops, forces turnovers and makes special teams plays with their team speed they will dominate. I also think that the team that scores the most points will win and that they won't need to turn the lights on because it will be a day game.

thats the thing BC does not have the type of team speed to keep up with clemson. while their offensive and d-line are big and physical, they don't have the same speed they had a year ago.

ALERT!!!!! TEAM SPEED MYTH AGAIN. WHOOP. GINGERBOT REPORTING. BC SLOW. CAN'T COMPETE. DOESN'T NOT COMPUTE. NC STATE BETTER ATHLETES. BLOOP.

BC's Defense is smaller and faster than last year's version. Of course, I could be wrong, since I've only seen them twice this year.